President Trump Addresses Nation After Striking Iran’s Nuclear Sites



Trump: "I want to thank and congratulate Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu, we worked as a team like perhaps no team has ever worked before."
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jmdrake said:
Hmmmm....that's from Infowars. If Alex Jones doesn't come out HARD against Trump this week then I will know for certain he is controlled opposition and the "judas goat" he warned people about. Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, hell even Steve Bannon pre-emptively opposed what Trump was doing with regards to Iran.
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Listening for the last few days, he has been coming out HARD against Trump.

I really think whats happening is Trump is in the same boat he was in during his first term. He is surrounded by Warhawks and Death Mongers. Just like the entire Vaccine Panel for the CDC was all controlled opposition to anything truly SAFE. War aint no safer. Thats where I seriously fault Trump, failure to exercise discernment against the assholes who think Nuclear World War is survivable and profitable.
 
DamianTV said:
Thats where I seriously fault Trump, failure to exercise discernment against the assholes who think Nuclear World War is survivable and profitable.
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Nuclear war isn't survivable and that's exactly the point.

The only reason we don't have nuclear war yet is because the number of countries with nuclear weapons is still somewhat manageable.

Every additional country that gets nukes makes it exponentially harder to maintain, track, and account for every single nuclear warhead on the planet.

It only takes one loose nuke for some lunatic to get their hands on it and start WW III.

All the countries in the world should be seeking to reduce and eventually eliminate their nuclear arsenal.

Nuclear weapons have no legitimate use besides acting as a deterrent from other countries that have nukes. And even then it can be strongly argued that even that is not a legitimate use, because any country that uses them at all even in retaliation is automatically in the wrong.

The potential for global existential destruction is simply too dangerous to allow these weapons to exist.

There is no way to safely store these weapons. There is no responsible use for these weapons.

Perhaps after mankind has escaped this rock the issue can be revisited. When it's no longer an existential threat to humanity.
 
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TheTexan said:
Nuclear weapons have no legitimate use besides acting as a deterrent from other countries that have nukes.
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But the US has made them a deterrent -- seemingly a necessary deterrent -- that can be the only way to avoid being attacked with conventional weapons.

The hard line completely perverts the incentives. Turns them on their head. You build nukes or you don't survive.
 
acptulsa said:
But the US has made them a deterrent -- seemingly a necessary deterrent -- that can be the only way to avoid being attacked with conventional weapons.

The hard line completely perverts the incentives. Turns them on their head. You build nukes or you don't survive.
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Life isn't fair. If they want to survive its pretty easy: conform to the rules set by the global nuclear hegemony and don't rock the boat.

99% of countries in the world exist peacefully within this power structure.

They should make the case that the US, Russia, and other nuclear powers should disarm.

If the non-nuclear countries unite in that goal they could probably force them to disarm.

And if they don't disarm, well, go ahead and build your nuclear weapons as a deterrent. But that should be a last resort, not a first priority goal.
 
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TheTexan said:
Nuclear war isn't survivable and that's exactly the point.

The only reason we don't have nuclear war yet is because the number of countries with nuclear weapons is still somewhat manageable.

Every additional country that gets nukes makes it exponentially harder to maintain, track, and account for every single nuclear warhead on the planet.

It only takes one loose nuke for some lunatic to get their hands on it and start WW III.

All the countries in the world should be seeking to reduce and eventually eliminate their nuclear arsenal.

Nuclear weapons have no legitimate use besides acting as a deterrent from other countries that have nukes. And even then it can be strongly argued that even that is not a legitimate use, because any country that uses them at all even in retaliation is automatically in the wrong.

The potential for global existential destruction is simply too dangerous to allow these weapons to exist.

There is way to safely store these weapons. There is no responsible use for these weapons.

Perhaps after mankind has escaped this rock the issue can be revisited. When it's no longer an existential threat to humanity.
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We are PUSHING IRAN TO GET A NUCLEAR WEAPON! Make no mistake, Iran WILL survive this latest round of attacks even though the U.S. got involved. But we have not bombed North Korea. Why? BECAUSE THEY'VE ACTUALLY PROVEN TO THE WORLD THAT THEY HAVE NUKES!

Look at the track record:
  • Iraq did NOT have nukes and was NOT pursuing nukes and gave UP their chemical weapons program and yet we took out Saddam.
  • Libya gave UP their nuclear and chemical weapons program and we took out Ghaddafi.
  • Pakistan harbored Osama Bin Laden, has nukes and we did NOT atatck Pakistan.
  • North Korea has nukes and we have NOT attacked North Korea.
  • Syria had chemical weapons but no nukes. We drove Assad from power.
  • Iran OFFERED to give up its WMD programs back in 2003 and Dubya TURNED THEM DOWN.
  • Obama brokered a DEAL with Iran that put its nuclear weapons program in check and Trump TORE IT UP.
  • In Israel's recent attack against Iran, ISRAEL MURDERED IRAN'S CHIEF NUCLEAR NEGOTIATOR WHO WAS OFFEREING TO GIVE UP ANY POSSTIBILITY OF MAKING NUKES!
Iran would be STUPID not to pursue nukes. We're not given them any other logical choice. What the U.S. and Israel are doing now is th OPPOSITE of what any sane countries would be doing if they wanted to contain the spread of nuclear weapons.
 
jmdrake said:
Iran would be STUPID not to pursue nukes. We're not given them any other logical choice. What the U.S. and Israel are doing now is th OPPOSITE of what any sane countries would be doing if they wanted to contain the spread of nuclear weapons.
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We bombed their nuclear facilities. That's it.

Iran still has a lot of options on the table. If they want to go back to the status quo of not being bombed there is an easy way to do that: comply with the terms they agreed to with the IAEA.

If they stubbornly decide to continue pursuing nukes that is their right to do so. But they do so at their own risk and I will not have a lot of sympathy for them.
 
jmdrake said:
We are PUSHING IRAN TO GET A NUCLEAR WEAPON! Make no mistake, Iran WILL survive this latest round of attacks even though the U.S. got involved. But we have not bombed North Korea. Why? BECAUSE THEY'VE ACTUALLY PROVEN TO THE WORLD THAT THEY HAVE NUKES!

Look at the track record:
  • Iraq did NOT have nukes and was NOT pursuing nukes and gave UP their chemical weapons program and yet we took out Saddam.
  • Libya gave UP their nuclear and chemical weapons program and we took out Ghaddafi.
  • Pakistan harbored Osama Bin Laden, has nukes and we did NOT atatck Pakistan.
  • North Korea has nukes and we have NOT attacked North Korea.
  • Syria had chemical weapons but no nukes. We drove Assad from power.
  • Iran OFFERED to give up its WMD programs back in 2003 and Dubya TURNED THEM DOWN.
  • Obama brokered a DEAL with Iran that put its nuclear weapons program in check and Trump TORE IT UP.
  • In Israel's recent attack against Iran, ISRAEL MURDERED IRAN'S CHIEF NUCLEAR NEGOTIATOR WHO WAS OFFEREING TO GIVE UP ANY POSSTIBILITY OF MAKING NUKES!
Iran would be STUPID not to pursue nukes. We're not given them any other logical choice. What the U.S. and Israel are doing now is th OPPOSITE of what any sane countries would be doing if they wanted to contain the spread of nuclear weapons.
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We did bomb North Korea but China intervened and now we have a ceasefire.

China said I dont care if you have nuclear weapons if you kill half of us we still will have 300 million people.

We signed a ceasefire with China.
 
nikcers said:
We did bomb North Korea but China intervened and now we have a ceasefire.

China said I dont care if you have nuclear weapons if you kill half of us we still will have 300 million people.

We signed a ceasefire with China.
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I'm going to call BS. Please post a link to evidence that the U.S. has bombed North Korea after North Korea got nukes.
 
TheTexan said:
We bombed their nuclear facilities. That's it.

Iran still has a lot of options on the table. If they want to go back to the status quo of not being bombed there is an easy way to do that: comply with the terms they agreed to with the IAEA.

If they stubbornly decide to continue pursuing nukes that is their right to do so. But they do so at their own risk and I will not have a lot of sympathy for them.
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And we bombed North Korea's nuclear facilities when exactly? Oh yeah, we haven't. Your "simple choice" is BS. Ask Ghaddafi. Oh that's right. You can't because he's dead from the result of his trusting America and following basically the same advice you're giving here. But Ghaddafi has your sympathy right? I guess that's worth something?
 
jmdrake said:
I'm going to call BS. Please post a link to evidence that the U.S. has bombed North Korea after North Korea got nukes.
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North Korea was part of the Soviet Empire.

We intervened in the Korean war when Stalin ordered North Korea and armed them to invade South Korea.
 
jmdrake said:
And we bombed North Korea's nuclear facilities when exactly? Oh yeah, we haven't. Your "simple choice" is BS. Ask Ghaddafi. Oh that's right. You can't because he's dead from the result of his trusting America and following basically the same advice you're giving here. But Ghaddafi has your sympathy right? I guess that's worth something?
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Yea I don't really have sympathy for ghadafi I'm not really concerned about it.

But I'm glad he doesn't have nukes either :up:
 
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