Police Officer: 'if you don’t want to get shot...just do what I tell you.'

[Lucille]

Police Officer: 'if you don’t want to get shot...just do what I tell you.'

"Contempt of cop" comes to mind. Nice to have one admit it.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/19/police-officer-if-you-dont-want-to-get-s

"If you don't want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground," warns Officer Sunil Dutta of the Los Angeles Police Department, "just do what I tell you."

The thing is, Officer Dutta (pictured) is also an Adjunct Professor of Homeland Security and Criminal Justice at Colorado Technical University. And he uttered those words not in the heat of the moment, but in an opinion piece in the Washington Post responding to widespread criticism of police attitudes and tactics currently on display in Ferguson, Missouri, but increasingly common nationwide.

Dutta continues:

Don't argue with me, don't call me names, don't tell me that I can't stop you, don't say I'm a racist pig, don't threaten that you'll sue me and take away my badge. Don't scream at me that you pay my salary, and don't even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

Dutta actually comes off as a reasonable law enforcement officer, when compared to some of his colleagues who can be found venting on police-only bulletin boards or referring to Ferguson protesters as "fucking animals." Dutta acknowledges that police can abuse their authority, saying "When it comes to police misconduct, I side with the ACLU: Having worked as an internal affairs investigator, I know that some officers engage in unprofessional and arrogant behavior; sometimes they behave like criminals themselves."

He endorses the use of body cameras and dashcams to record interactions between police and the public. He counsels, "you don't have to submit to an illegal stop or search. You can refuse consent to search your car or home if there's no warrant."

And yet he demands unresisting submission to police without argument or even legal protest. Just how do you "refuse consent to search your car or home" without running afoul of the no-nos Dutta warns may get you "shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground"?

Remember, this is a thoughtful police officer, with a PhD., who teaches criminal justice.
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If you have the attitude that you are owed deference and instant obedience by the people around you, and that you are justified in using violence against them if they don't comply, we already have a problem. That's especially true if official institutions back you up, which they do.

If you really think that everybody else should "just do what I tell you," you're wearing the wrong uniform in the wrong country. And if you really can't function with some give and take—a few nasty names, a little argument—of the sort that people in all sorts of jobs put up with every damned day, do us all a favor: quit.

The law enforcement problem in this country goes well beyond boys with toys. It's much deeper, and needs to be torn out by the roots.

 

[tod evans]

Penis envy.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Police Officer: 'if you don’t want to get shot...just do what I tell you.'

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/19/police-officer-if-you-dont-want-to-get-s

"If you don't want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground," warns Officer Sunil Dutta of the Los Angeles Police Department, "just do what I tell you."

The thing is, Officer Dutta (pictured) is also an Adjunct Professor of Homeland Security and Criminal Justice at Colorado Technical University. And he uttered those words not in the heat of the moment, but in an opinion piece in the Washington Post responding to widespread criticism of police attitudes and tactics currently on display in Ferguson, Missouri, but increasingly common nationwide.

Dutta continues:

Don't argue with me, don't call me names, don't tell me that I can't stop you, don't say I'm a racist pig, don't threaten that you'll sue me and take away my badge. Don't scream at me that you pay my salary, and don't even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

 

[SeanTX]

They want complete submission, not even any "mouthing off" -- or else you're gonna get some lumps put on ya or get kidnapped and tossed in a cage -- and consider yourself lucky to just get that.

And don't forget to thank the officer for his "restraint."

 

[thoughtomator]

Comply or die.

The rest is an extended justification for murders.

 

[Suzanimal]

 

[SeanTX]

A good comment, from the comments on that article :

Cdr Lytton|8.19.14 @ 12:54PM|#

Just this morning a motorcycle cop was shooting radar on the triangle of a freeway on ramp. Finds a target and takes off. Right into the middle of traffic trying to merge on.

Then he tailgates the cars with his lights going trying to make headway. And by tailgate, I mean he would be sitting in the front seat if they tapped the brakes, like if they were trying to move over.

Finally he catches up to the car and they both immediately pull over through two lanes of traffic and everyone on the right lane suddenly slow down for this, almost causing yet another pileup.

If you just about caused three accidents trying to punish someone for going maybe 10 over, you're fucking wrong.

 

[ZENemy]

yes but all you gotta do is VOTE and this will all end!!

omg we can totally fix this by rallying the people..........lol fuck it, sorry I cant.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

www.SWLOD.gov

 

[Valli6]

All they care about now is "diversity". it doesn't matter what kind of clowns they hire, as long as they look diverse.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...mages&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=&gws_rd=ssl

Speaking of which:

Capitol Police Diversity Officer Charged With Embezzlement
June 18, 2014
Federal authorities have charged the civilian head of the Capitol Police Department’s Office of Diversity with embezzling public funds, the result of an investigation stemming from her previous employment at Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/dail...ty-officer-charged-with-embezzlement-20140618

 

[phill4paul]

Well, you see, the thing is that if push comes to shove, and you are wearing a sidearm, I'm not going to be tasing, throwing, pepper spraying or using a baton. So you damn well better make sure that is the road you want to go down.

 

[Lucille]

yes but all you gotta do is VOTE and this will all end!!

omg we can totally fix this by rallying the people..........lol fuck it, sorry I cant.

 

[TheTexan]

Makes sense to me. You should probably also avoid all that "no you may not look in my trunk you need a warrant etc etc" adversarial nonsense. Unless you're a criminal and actually do have something in your trunk.

Just cooperate with the police officer and you'll be fine. He's just there to help you.

 

[TheTexan]

yes but all you gotta do is VOTE and this will all end!!

omg we can totally fix this by rallying the people..........lol fuck it, sorry I cant.

I hope you're not being sarcastic, because voting is indeed the way to go. This is a democracy, because the founders voted to make it so. And democracies are founded on the concept of voting. And the people of this country continue to vote to keep it a democracy. So we vote. It's all agreed. I don't want to hear any more of this 'not voting' silliness.

 

[Cleaner44]

Makes sense to me. You should probably also avoid all that "no you may not look in my trunk you need a warrant etc etc" adversarial nonsense. Unless you're a criminal and actually do have something in your trunk.

Just cooperate with the police officer and you'll be fine. He's just there to help you.

I hope you're not being sarcastic, because voting is indeed the way to go. This is a democracy, because the founders voted to make it so. And democracies are founded on the concept of voting. And the people of this country continue to vote to keep it a democracy. So we vote. It's all agreed. I don't want to hear any more of this 'not voting' silliness.

How in the hell did you ever get Reputation Beyond Repute when you don't even know that our nation is not a Democracy, but is actually a Republic?

Shirley you can't be serious.

Don't talk to cops!

 

[otherone]

The law enforcement problem in this country goes well beyond boys with toys. It's much deeper, and needs to be torn out by the roots.

"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." - Thomas Paine

"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." - Thomas Paine

 

[TheTexan]

How in the hell did you ever get Reputation Beyond Repute when you don't even know that our nation is not a Democracy, but is actually a Republic?

Shirley you can't be serious.

Don't talk to cops!

A republic is a democracy. A representative democracy, in fact. We spread democracy so much around the world because we all think democracy (and voting) is awesome. If you really think that other people shouldnt be able to vote on your freedoms, you can always vote against the concept of voting, by I dunno, voting for a communist.

 

[69360]

 

[Lucille]

Grigg nails it (as usual).

The Rapist Doctrine vs. the Tom Joad Test
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-rapist-doctrine-vs-the-tom-joad-test/

“Don’t resist – it will only be worse for you.” That’s the message of both the rapist and the police officer, as candidly digested by Sunil Dutta, a 17-year veteran of the LAPD who now preaches that doctrine as a professor of homeland security at Colorado Tech University.
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“Most field stops are complete in minutes,” coos the apologist for state-licensed aggressive violence. “How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?”

The same is true, of course, of most encounters between a rapist and a victim. The violation of a free person’s rights is not any less egregious for being brief.
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Nonetheless, he lectures Mundanes, such people are your social superiors whose commands must be obeyed without cavil or qualification. When such beings focus their unwarranted attention on you, “I guarantee that the situation will not become easier if you show your anger and resentment.” Always accept their impositions with cheerful docility. Don’t even think of defending yourself, because police “are legally permitted to use deadly force when they assess a serious threat to their or someone else’s life” – and any gesture of non-compliance, however fleeting or non-violent, constitutes a “threat” from their perspective.

“Do what the officer tells you to and it will end safely for both of you,” he insists, leaving aside the fact that in each such encounter the aggressor is shielded by “qualified immunity” and the tribal loyalty of his comrades – and the other is subject to financial injury, imprisonment, or death at the whim of that same caste.

Dutta claims that “in the overwhelming majority of cases it is not the cops, but the people they stop, who can prevent detentions from turning into tragedies,” a claim rooted in the assumption that police escalation will stop as soon as the subject submits – and, on the other hand, that violence will continue until submission is achieved. By this standard, the cop is presumptively in the right, and the victim of abuse is presumed to be wrong – the direct inversion of the standard used in the “Tom Joad Test.”

 

[DamianTV]

"Do what I tell you" roughly translates into "do not resist while I abuse the shit out of you".