Paul: FEMA revisited

If I recall.. Ron Paul thinks that people should either buy insurance or don't live in accident prone areas.

There was a toddler who survive the tornado, but his/her entire family got killed. The fact that Ron won't give aid or help... It doesn't look good. It doesn't look good at all. I don't see any easy way around it without Ron Paul looking like a heartless bastard.
 
We should get some people on the ground in Ron Paul shirts/hoodies/etc to hand out water and other aid supplies. THAT will look good.
 
alucard13mmfmj said:
If I recall.. Ron Paul thinks that people should either buy insurance or don't live in accident prone areas.

There was a toddler who survive the tornado, but his/her entire family got killed. The fact that Ron won't give aid or help... It doesn't look good. It doesn't look good at all. I don't see any easy way around it without Ron Paul looking like a heartless bastard.
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If you wanna help the kid out. Set up a fund and give him some money. Why do we need an inefficient government to do it through some form of delayed bureaucracy?
 
Considering that some of these tornados were in Kentucky, I expact Rand won't have a problem asking for some aid and he'll separate from Ron on this.
 
dskalkowski said:
..Not necessarily true. He did earmark, and that does give federal expenditures to specific projects. Am I wrong?
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He earmarks because if Congress doesn't spend the budget they've put forth on their constituents, it goes to the executive branch, where the money is probably going to go to Afgansitan or somewhere... The only reason Paul earmarks, is to try to give as much money back to the people as he can, in whatever way he can, since it's going to be spent either way.

As for FEMA, as far as I know Dr. Paul believes there's a more efficient way to do it privately, and Americans aren't heartless. We probably would have given a ton in aid after Katrina and have more funds set up to continue that and do it effeciently, if we didn't have the Feds and FEMA claiming to have the situation under control, when they frequently only make things worse.
 
TheGrinchWhoStoleDC said:
He earmarks because if Congress doesn't spend the budget they've put forth on their constituents, it goes to the executive branch, where the money is probably going to go to Afgansitan or somewhere... The only reason Paul earmarks, is to try to give as much money back to the people as he can, in whatever way he can, since it's going to be spent either way.

As for FEMA, as far as I know Dr. Paul believes there's a more efficient way to do it privately, and Americans aren't heartless. We probably would have given a ton in aid after Katrina and have more funds set up to continue that and do it effeciently, if we didn't have the Feds and FEMA claiming to have the situation under control, when they frequently only make things worse.
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So it is federal government aid?
 
dskalkowski said:
So it is federal government aid?
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FEMA = Federal Emergency Management Agency, so um, yes?

(Edit: or are you talking about earmarks? Perhaps you could call it "federal aid", but it's more a matter of appropriation of funds. If Dr. Paul had a choice on reducing the budget or earmarks, he'd choose the smaller budget every time. He doesn't have that choice though.
 
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you know, i feel pretty bad for people that get their homes wiped out by acts of god like these. what most people fail to realize is that they don't have to rob me to help out these people, if only they'd ask for assistance. i'd be more than happy to help in any way i can. i have a serious issue with being stolen from by the federal government, especially knowing most of what's being robbed from me what even go to directly help the people who need it most.
 
TheGrinchWhoStoleDC said:
FEMA = Federal Emergency Management Agency, so um, yes?
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I'm talking about ear marking in general. I don't have a problem in sending some of these states federal aid. I'm not talking about sending FEMA, I mean the National Guard should be funded to go and assist these states. Some states do not have a budget and expects natural events. As for insurance, some individuals can not afford the add-on policy that come with some private insurance companies.

You can't just expect people to transition to a message that we have, and this is why so many people have a hard time accepting Ron Paul. You have to be more considerate for people, and I'm not saying you drive FEMA into these areas to help out. But I am saying, that some sort of federal aid should be given to assist these states.
 
Some issues are not worth demonstrating ideological purity on.

I suppose the Federal government did not get too involved in the Johnstown flood, the Chicago fire, or the storm surge on Galveston Island. But we have the ability now to make much more rapid response to events than in the 19th century, and the average voter isn't going to accept not sending aid.
 
VBRonPaulFan said:
you know, i feel pretty bad for people that get their homes wiped out by acts of god like these. what most people fail to realize is that they don't have to rob me to help out these people, if only they'd ask for assistance. i'd be more than happy to help in any way i can. i have a serious issue with being stolen from by the federal government, especially knowing most of what's being robbed from me what even go to directly help the people who need it most.
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Exactly. I do not have a problem with helping these people out, but there has to be some sort of federal aid to help out. You know that private insurance and charitable organizations just wont cut it sometimes.
 
dskalkowski said:
I'm talking about ear marking in general. I don't have a problem in sending some of these states federal aid. I'm not talking about sending FEMA, I mean the National Guard should be funded to go and assist these states. Some states do not have a budget and expects natural events. As for insurance, some individuals can not afford the add-on policy that come with some private insurance companies.

You can't just expect people to transition to a message that we have, and this is why so many people have a hard time accepting Ron Paul. You have to be more considerate for people, and I'm not saying you drive FEMA into these areas to help out. But I am saying, that some sort of federal aid should be given to assist these states.
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I thought you might be, so see the edit I made on that post.

But to be fair, Dr. Paul is not calling to remove everyone from government assistance; He's already said he plans to keep our promise to our seniors while we ween the younger generations off of SS they'll never see if we don't do something, and entiitlements are last on his list to ween off of (as much as possible) with so many dependent on the entitlement state.

But you're confusing his ideals (which is to move toward freeing as many as possible from assistance with economic prosperity), with the reality that he does realize, that we live in an entitlement state; So there is no need to act liek he wants to cut and privatize everything at once, because that's simply not the case. He wants to enable us to be more responsible for ourselves and eachother's well-being someday, not to just eliminate it all all at once or even soon (nor would Congress let him).
 
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Another aspect of this is that news travels instantaneously now. In the telegraph and daguerreotype film era, Washington DC probably didn't know for a couple of days that anything had even happened after a disaster. Communications would be cut during the event and it might take a week or more before the extent of damage is even known. There wasn't much reason to debate what kind of Federal policy should exist.

Nowdays it's on YouTube even before the news media can air reports on it.
 
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Gray Fullbuster said:
They didn't choose to be hit by a natural disaster.
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You're right, but they did choose to live in an area prone to Tornadoes. The question is whether or not we should force people to help those in need. The answer is no. It sounds bad, but it isn't true charity if its forced.
 
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