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Forgive me for being excited but being a total nobody, I am because I love him!
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d'Alto
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Dispensationalists are just messianic Jews, obsessed with prophesy, especially the old testament. These nutjobs have no clue what Jesus Christ was about but await the building of the third temple and the slaughter of helpless animals in it.
What is Israel, according to the old testament, which is the history of a group of primitive tribes in the ancient Levant? Israel was a name given to Jacob by a "being" (Genesis 32:24-30) and then his descendants (sons), who each headed up a tribe, making the twelve tribes of Israel, also became Israel. Like all primitive people, they had their stories and theirs was that their tribal god, YHWY, promised the land of Canaan to Abraham, Jacob's grandfather (the guy who was going to kill his son at Yahweh's command but an innocent animal was substituted at the last minute) if they were faithful. That was the covenant which they/Jews/Israel broke - according to their own stories - and subsequently the deal for the promised land was off and they were condemned because of their wickedness. No new covenant ever came about and theJews/Israel scattered, becoming the "lost tribes". Summary on that part from Grok:
The ancient demise and scattering of the Jews, often called the Diaspora, followed the breaking of the covenant with Yahweh, as described in the Hebrew Bible, and resulted from historical events: Assyrian Conquest (722 BCE): The northern Kingdom of Israel (10 tribes) fell to the Assyrian Empire after persistent idolatry and covenant violations (2 Kings 17). The population was exiled, assimilated, and scattered, becoming the "Lost Tribes."
Babylonian Exile (586 BCE): The southern Kingdom of Judah was conquered by Babylon due to similar covenant breaches, including idolatry and injustice (2 Kings 24-25; Jeremiah 52). Jerusalem and the First Temple were destroyed, and many Jews were exiled to Babylon.
Persian Return and Hellenistic Period: Some Jews returned under Persian rule (538 BCE), but many remained dispersed. Later, under Hellenistic and Roman rule, cultural pressures and revolts further scattered Jews. Roman Destruction (70 CE): The Second Temple’s destruction by Rome, following Jewish revolts, marked a major scattering. Jews were expelled from Jerusalem, spreading across the Mediterranean and beyond. Key factors: covenant violations (idolatry, social injustice), military defeats, and forced exiles by Assyria, Babylon, and Rome led to the ancient Jewish Diaspora. The Hebrew Bible does not provide specific locations for where the Jews were scattered after breaking the covenant and losing the Promised Land, but it mentions their dispersal broadly. Key references include:
Deuteronomy 28:64: As part of the covenant curses, it states, “The Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other,” indicating a widespread dispersion if Israel disobeys. Leviticus 26:33: It warns, “I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you,” again emphasizing exile without naming specific places. 2 Kings 17:6: For the northern Kingdom of Israel, it notes the Assyrians exiled them to “Halah, Habor, the river of Gozan, and the cities of the Medes” after 722 BCE, but these locations are vague and in modern-day northern Iraq and Iran. Jeremiah 52:28-30 and 2 Kings 24-25: For the Babylonian Exile (586 BCE), Judah’s people were taken to Babylon (modern-day Iraq), but no further details are given about other destinations. The Bible focuses on the theological reasons for scattering (covenant violation) rather than precise geographic destinations. Later historical sources confirm Jews spread to regions like Mesopotamia, Egypt, Persia, and the Mediterranean, but these are not detailed in the Hebrew Bible itself.
So, that sums up the story of ancient "Israel". They were a primitive group of tribes, like thousands of others around the world, with their particular mythology. The diaspora, for the most part, hung on to it's Jewish identity and they developed their peculiar sects/traditions/habits according to where they lived and various cultural influences. Many became atheists, making a virtual religion of that.
A different group of people, unrelated to the twelve tribes, adopted Judaism in the 8th or 9th century. They were Turkic warrior people in a place called the Kingdom of Khazaria which is mainly southern Russia, Ukraine, Caucuses around the black and Caspian Seas. They emigrated west to eastern Europe and are what is known as Ashkenazi Jews (Netanyahu, for instance). They are not Semitic people, though since the establishment of the Jewish state, Ashkenazi have intermarried with Semitic Jews. Along with the ancient biblical bunch, they are part of world Jewry. Because they were very insular, they endured many expulsions over the centuries but they had their niche, wherever they were, with money changing (banking) and as merchants. The former goes back to biblical times (think Jesus throwing them out of the temple) and later as Christians were forbidden from engaging in usury and the latter due to their wandering nature and foreign connections.In the 20th century, with end of WWI, the Ottoman Empire was a loser in the war and their former territories were taken over by the winners. The UK was already in control of Palestine, before the war officially ended and were granted a "mandate" by the League of Nations (precursor to the UN) when the war ended. That was called the Palestine Mandate. The British had a close relationship with their money changers, the Rothschild banking cartel. As a token of appreciation, they gave a big chunk of Palestine to Lord Rothschild as a home for the Jewish people (Zionism, the project to establish a SECULAR (primarily communist) Jewish state, as a movement, had become a thing about a decade prior). With that, Jews from all over began invading Palestine, like Muslims invading Europe in 2015. This, of course, meant Ashkenazi Jews who had no ties to the Levant, Jacob or ancient Israel. So, contrary to popular misunderstandings, Jews mass emigrating to Palestine had nothing to do with WWII, though the "holocaust" became an excuse used later. The entire mess you see there, today, is a result of the British, the world's biggest shit stirrers and nest of snakes.Well, then, what does any of this have to do with the teachings of Jesus, you might ask? The answer is absolutely nothing. Jesus was born into a time and place like anyone else and while ethnically a Jew, was not JewISH and rejected their primitive blood sacrifice cult, introducing an entirely new spiritual path for which they demanded his murder. "Christian" Zionists are not adherents to the teachings of Christ.
Here's the post:
d'Alto
@dAlto04646689
Dispensationalists are just messianic Jews, obsessed with prophesy, especially the old testament. These nutjobs have no clue what Jesus Christ was about but await the building of the third temple and the slaughter of helpless animals in it.
What is Israel, according to the old testament, which is the history of a group of primitive tribes in the ancient Levant? Israel was a name given to Jacob by a "being" (Genesis 32:24-30) and then his descendants (sons), who each headed up a tribe, making the twelve tribes of Israel, also became Israel. Like all primitive people, they had their stories and theirs was that their tribal god, YHWY, promised the land of Canaan to Abraham, Jacob's grandfather (the guy who was going to kill his son at Yahweh's command but an innocent animal was substituted at the last minute) if they were faithful. That was the covenant which they/Jews/Israel broke - according to their own stories - and subsequently the deal for the promised land was off and they were condemned because of their wickedness. No new covenant ever came about and theJews/Israel scattered, becoming the "lost tribes". Summary on that part from Grok:
The ancient demise and scattering of the Jews, often called the Diaspora, followed the breaking of the covenant with Yahweh, as described in the Hebrew Bible, and resulted from historical events: Assyrian Conquest (722 BCE): The northern Kingdom of Israel (10 tribes) fell to the Assyrian Empire after persistent idolatry and covenant violations (2 Kings 17). The population was exiled, assimilated, and scattered, becoming the "Lost Tribes."
Babylonian Exile (586 BCE): The southern Kingdom of Judah was conquered by Babylon due to similar covenant breaches, including idolatry and injustice (2 Kings 24-25; Jeremiah 52). Jerusalem and the First Temple were destroyed, and many Jews were exiled to Babylon.
Persian Return and Hellenistic Period: Some Jews returned under Persian rule (538 BCE), but many remained dispersed. Later, under Hellenistic and Roman rule, cultural pressures and revolts further scattered Jews. Roman Destruction (70 CE): The Second Temple’s destruction by Rome, following Jewish revolts, marked a major scattering. Jews were expelled from Jerusalem, spreading across the Mediterranean and beyond. Key factors: covenant violations (idolatry, social injustice), military defeats, and forced exiles by Assyria, Babylon, and Rome led to the ancient Jewish Diaspora. The Hebrew Bible does not provide specific locations for where the Jews were scattered after breaking the covenant and losing the Promised Land, but it mentions their dispersal broadly. Key references include:
Deuteronomy 28:64: As part of the covenant curses, it states, “The Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other,” indicating a widespread dispersion if Israel disobeys. Leviticus 26:33: It warns, “I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you,” again emphasizing exile without naming specific places. 2 Kings 17:6: For the northern Kingdom of Israel, it notes the Assyrians exiled them to “Halah, Habor, the river of Gozan, and the cities of the Medes” after 722 BCE, but these locations are vague and in modern-day northern Iraq and Iran. Jeremiah 52:28-30 and 2 Kings 24-25: For the Babylonian Exile (586 BCE), Judah’s people were taken to Babylon (modern-day Iraq), but no further details are given about other destinations. The Bible focuses on the theological reasons for scattering (covenant violation) rather than precise geographic destinations. Later historical sources confirm Jews spread to regions like Mesopotamia, Egypt, Persia, and the Mediterranean, but these are not detailed in the Hebrew Bible itself.
So, that sums up the story of ancient "Israel". They were a primitive group of tribes, like thousands of others around the world, with their particular mythology. The diaspora, for the most part, hung on to it's Jewish identity and they developed their peculiar sects/traditions/habits according to where they lived and various cultural influences. Many became atheists, making a virtual religion of that.
A different group of people, unrelated to the twelve tribes, adopted Judaism in the 8th or 9th century. They were Turkic warrior people in a place called the Kingdom of Khazaria which is mainly southern Russia, Ukraine, Caucuses around the black and Caspian Seas. They emigrated west to eastern Europe and are what is known as Ashkenazi Jews (Netanyahu, for instance). They are not Semitic people, though since the establishment of the Jewish state, Ashkenazi have intermarried with Semitic Jews. Along with the ancient biblical bunch, they are part of world Jewry. Because they were very insular, they endured many expulsions over the centuries but they had their niche, wherever they were, with money changing (banking) and as merchants. The former goes back to biblical times (think Jesus throwing them out of the temple) and later as Christians were forbidden from engaging in usury and the latter due to their wandering nature and foreign connections.In the 20th century, with end of WWI, the Ottoman Empire was a loser in the war and their former territories were taken over by the winners. The UK was already in control of Palestine, before the war officially ended and were granted a "mandate" by the League of Nations (precursor to the UN) when the war ended. That was called the Palestine Mandate. The British had a close relationship with their money changers, the Rothschild banking cartel. As a token of appreciation, they gave a big chunk of Palestine to Lord Rothschild as a home for the Jewish people (Zionism, the project to establish a SECULAR (primarily communist) Jewish state, as a movement, had become a thing about a decade prior). With that, Jews from all over began invading Palestine, like Muslims invading Europe in 2015. This, of course, meant Ashkenazi Jews who had no ties to the Levant, Jacob or ancient Israel. So, contrary to popular misunderstandings, Jews mass emigrating to Palestine had nothing to do with WWII, though the "holocaust" became an excuse used later. The entire mess you see there, today, is a result of the British, the world's biggest shit stirrers and nest of snakes.Well, then, what does any of this have to do with the teachings of Jesus, you might ask? The answer is absolutely nothing. Jesus was born into a time and place like anyone else and while ethnically a Jew, was not JewISH and rejected their primitive blood sacrifice cult, introducing an entirely new spiritual path for which they demanded his murder. "Christian" Zionists are not adherents to the teachings of Christ.
