Official General Election Results for Amash in MI-03

[tsai3904]

General Election

http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election/results/12GEN/06003000.html

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[TD]Amash[/TD]
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171,675​

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52.62%​

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[TD]Pestka[/TD]
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144,108​

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44.17%​

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[TD]Gelineau[/TD]
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10,498​

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3.22%​

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[TD]Write-In[/TD]
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2​

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0.00%​

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[FSP-Rebel]

Again, WTF is the LP trying to do here on an RP-endorsed incumbent with a sterling voting record For Christ's sake

 

[torchbearer]

Again, WTF is the LP trying to do here on an RP-endorsed incumbent with a sterling voting record For Christ's sake

any lone nut who wants to can register libertarian and get on a ballot.
why does everyone assume this is an organized party effort to attack amash.
you know what happens when you assume?


and lone nuts running without LP backing or support is common.

 

[AJ Antimony]

Again, WTF is the LP trying to do here on an RP-endorsed incumbent with a sterling voting record For Christ's sake

Party over principle. They don't care about electing libertarians, they only care about electing Libertarians.

I didn't know they ran a candidate in this race. Now I think even less of the LP.

 

[torchbearer]

Party over principle. They don't care about electing libertarians, they only care about electing Libertarians.

I didn't know they ran a candidate in this race. Now I think even less of the LP.

see post #3.

[edited by mod, please remain respectful to each other]

 

[torchbearer]

how many times have I heard people say stupid shit about Ron that wasn't true, based on nothing more than hearsay, headlines, and shills.
and here, two forum members got the retard going on too.

 

[tsai3904]

any lone nut who wants to can register libertarian and get on a ballot.
why does everyone assume this is an organized party effort to attack amash.
you know what happens when you assume?

and lone nuts running without LP backing or support is common.

He is a former Chairman and current Political Director of the Libertarian Party of Michigan.

 

[itshappening]

And he's stupid. The LP need to stand aside in these elections of liberty candidates or we will risk losing them.

The Democrats love to split the vote as much as they can. In fact, you will often find outside groups promoting a third party like they did in Montana Senate race ("Montana For Gun Rights" a democrat shill PAC spent money trying to boost the LP)

 

[QuickZ06]

All I see is a lot of crying and assuming. Amash won, all this jumping on the LP is nonsense and its based off of nothing but here say.

 

[tsai3904]

All I see is a lot of crying and assuming. Amash won, all this jumping on the LP is nonsense and its based off of nothing but here say.

I don't blame him for running. If he has clear differences between Amash and himself, he has every right to run and should run to expose the differences. However, the point is no one knows what the major differences are. The biggest difference between Libertarians and Republicans is probably abortion but he doesn't mention abortion once on his website.

This is what he said about Amash:

The whole point of running against Amash is that he isn’t even close to the idea of liberty. On not one important social issue has he adopted a liberty position. I’m not even sure he’s all that great on economic issues, either. Those who care about economic and social freedom need to speak up to Justin that simply being good on spending is not the same as supporting liberty.

And this year, he’s set a very poor example by adopting a “rose garden” campaign strategy. Hiding away and not attending forums or debates is despicable. So much for the courage of convictions. His failure to speak out against the Drug War, the militarization of our country, or the right of all people to decide for themselves how to organize their family (the hated Defense of Marriage Act) – are all proof that our Congressman is just a different form of the Establishment Republican that values commericalism over individual liberty.

To say that Amash "isn’t even close to the idea of liberty" indicates to me that he really hasn't paid attention or done his due diligence on Amash's record. Amash has spoken out consistently against the military industrial complex so I don't understand how he can say that Amash has ignored the issue. After looking into his bio and stances on issue, I still question as to why he ran against Amash.

 

[AJ Antimony]

This is what he said about Amash:

"The whole point of running against Amash is that he isn’t even close to the idea of liberty. On not one important social issue has he adopted a liberty position. I’m not even sure he’s all that great on economic issues, either. Those who care about economic and social freedom need to speak up to Justin that simply being good on spending is not the same as supporting liberty.

And this year, he’s set a very poor example by adopting a “rose garden” campaign strategy. Hiding away and not attending forums or debates is despicable. So much for the courage of convictions. His failure to speak out against the Drug War, the militarization of our country, or the right of all people to decide for themselves how to organize their family (the hated Defense of Marriage Act) – are all proof that our Congressman is just a different form of the Establishment Republican that values commericalism over individual liberty."

The #1 difference between the Republican Party and the Libertarian Party: Republicans know how to campaign, Libertarians do not.

tsai, I can't give you enough +rep for posting this quote, as it perfectly shows why the LP is a total joke and has absolutely no desire to actually win elections.

The person you quoted would rather have his ego stroked by having a candidate talk about back burner issues in a podium political debate, than have a candidate control his message and actually win the election. Party politics over principle.

 

[QuickZ06]

I don't blame him for running. If he has clear differences between Amash and himself, he has every right to run and should run to expose the differences. However, the point is no one knows what the major differences are. The biggest difference between Libertarians and Republicans is probably abortion but he doesn't mention abortion once on his website.

This is what he said about Amash:



To say that Amash "isn’t even close to the idea of liberty" indicates to me that he really hasn't paid attention or done his due diligence on Amash's record. Amash has spoken out consistently against the military industrial complex so I don't understand how he can say that Amash has ignored the issue. After looking into his bio and stances on issue, I still question as to why he ran against Amash.

The thing is, not everyone is or will be on board with the whole taking over the republican party. And this guy seems like an example. I honestly don't think he took many votes away as I bet most of those vote were people who only vote for the LP and Gary Johnson only. Now I know what I would do if I were Amash, I would get in touch with this guy and discuss some of the problems he apparently has with me and help educate him if he is wrong on my stances.

 

[trey4sports]

Why doesn't the LP ever just pool every non-presidential dollar in a winnable, non-incumbent district and make a splash that way?

 

[specsaregood]

He is a former Chairman and current Political Director of the Libertarian Party of Michigan.

so clearly he is a lone nut.

 

[torchbearer]

so clearly he is a lone nut.

like I was saying.

can I see a show of hands of people who have worked central committees in the LP?

on our central committee, most guys were lone nuts because they'd do stupid shit without central committee endorsement.
just imagine the dumb asses on this forum, put them in a room together... and that is an LP central committee meeting.
every year, out of every election where someone was running as an LPer, only a couple of them were maybe party organized.
the other 20 were people doing whatever the fuck they wanted.

 

[torchbearer]

the two write-ins were for ron paul.

 

[torchbearer]

The #1 difference between the Republican Party and the Libertarian Party: Republicans know how to campaign, Libertarians do not.

though your expression is that of a simpleton, the ron paul campaign in Louisiana was ran by LPers who left and joined the GOP to support Ron.
how did ron do in Louisiana in 2008 and 2012? this isn't a liberty friendly state....

 

[tsai3904]

like I was saying.

can I see a show of hands of people who have worked central committees in the LP?

on our central committee, most guys were lone nuts because they'd do stupid shit without central committee endorsement.
just imagine the dumb asses on this forum, put them in a room together... and that is an LP central committee meeting.
every year, out of every election where someone was running as an LPer, only a couple of them were maybe party organized.
the other 20 were people doing whatever the fuck they wanted.

Again, I have no problem with the guy running whether or not he had the backing of the actual LP central committee. What bothers me is the 10,000+ people who voted for him. It's hard for me to believe that 10,000 people see an actual difference between Amash and Gelineau. I hope that it's 10,000 people who are unaware of Amash and just didn't bother to do some basic research because then that's 10,000 additional supporters that can help Amash in the future.

 

[torchbearer]

Again, I have no problem with the guy running whether or not he had the backing of the actual LP central committee. What bothers me is the 10,000+ people who voted for him. It's hard for me to believe that 10,000 people see an actual difference between Amash and Gelineau. I hope that it's 10,000 people who are unaware of Amash and just didn't bother to do some basic research because then that's 10,000 additional supporters that can help Amash in the future.

there are LP partisans, and they are as stupid as GOP partisans.
Had a former fellow central committee member cuss me up and down because I was supporting ron and not the LP.
I told him I put principle over party.. he should try it.

 

[AJ Antimony]

though your expression is that of a simpleton, the ron paul campaign in Louisiana was ran by LPers who left and joined the GOP to support Ron.
how did ron do in Louisiana in 2008 and 2012? this isn't a liberty friendly state....

5% in 2008, 6% in 2012...

Not too sure what your point is. Could you please clarify?