NYC Plan?

[JacobSzumniak]

Any way you guys think we can mobilize the OWS people to turn out and vote for Ron Paul during New Yorks Primary? Im not exactly sure on their views of the good doctor but I can't for the life of me understand why they are not out there marching through the streets screaming President Paul. I mean ultimately Ron Paul would deliver them the goal they want. They're lack of Ron Paul activism is a clear indicator of their ignorance on the whole situation IMO.

 

[kill the banks]

they might need clearance from prez soros

 

[CTRattlesnake]

You have to be a registered republican to vote.....most of OWS wont be eligible.

I expect Paul to do well in the inner city areas of NYC. Paul has proven that he can do very well with urban and minority communities, so I think much of the Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn could likely go to the good Dr.


If you remember, Ron won the city of Detroit by a convincing margin

 

[JacobSzumniak]

They can still register can they not or deadline passed?

 

[CTRattlesnake]

They can still register can they not or deadline passed?

Think it was the 13th...but i'd check bluerepublican.org to be sure

 

[JacobSzumniak]

30th is the deadline!

 

[jemuf]

OWS didn't even have a goal until the state media gave 'em one.

I think OWS was a made up movement. Does OWS even make sense? "Ahh we're so angry. But all we're gonna do is go to parks and create havoc. Even though it's an election year we're pretty sure we can change things from the park. We don't need to support a particular candidate, especially Ron Paul, who clearly would've helped our cause. I mean there's no examples in recent memory of a grassroots organization impacting politics or the country. Tea Party? What's that?"

And remember, Guy Fawkes is an OWS symbol...not a symbol of the Liberty Movement.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

30th is the deadline for NEW voters. We are organizing, where are you located? If in a borough, pm me your address and I will post some data about your precinct... Are you on Facebook?

 

[PolicyReader]

Just like most other gatherings of people the best way to muster them is to engage with the individuals. There are indeed many among the OWS individuals who would support the good doctor if they are helped to understand the context and issues, their motives are on average pretty sound the main problem is that most don't really have a firm grounding in how politics and policy function.

OT Side note: OWS is no more "made up" than the Tea Party, which is to say the individuals are on average liberty oriented tho they miss some information and the overall groupings have been largely hijacked by insider elites in both cases. End of the day they are very much the "protest" arms of the Rep and Dem parties. Ultimately OWS/TEA fall into the same trap as supporters of Obama/Romney. They don't realize their information is incomplete and they think they know what their support/actions are getting when in fact their being mislead into supporting the status quo insiders over their own individual interests.

Closing note, attacking people, especially attacking people in groups is hardly a hallmark of liberty.

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

I'm guessing that most OWS protesters are not paying attention due to apathy. They just assume Dr. Paul is part of the status quo. You can blame the media for that. If they are discussing politics, they are feverishly denouncing it and would most likely refrain from speaking on behalf of any politician.

I suspect that those who do pay attention to the election are closet Ron Paul supporters. If they would come out of the closet and influence others in their inner-circles, it could become a win for Dr. Paul.

Of course you could imagine how it would be portrayed by the MSM when OWS collectively throws it's weight behind Ron Paul.

 

[ohgodno]

Any way you guys think we can mobilize the OWS people to turn out and vote for Ron Paul during New Yorks Primary? Im not exactly sure on their views of the good doctor but I can't for the life of me understand why they are not out there marching through the streets screaming President Paul. I mean ultimately Ron Paul would deliver them the goal they want. They're lack of Ron Paul activism is a clear indicator of their ignorance on the whole situation IMO.

Doubtful.

It was a movement that started, imo, with genuine intentions. From what I understood it started as a way to make the effects of crony capitalism visible to the population at large, especially those who benefit most from it. The "lost generation" was on full display for all of America to see. It was a loose movement though, with no other stated goal other than to increase visibility and spark discussion. When I could, I went down and with a few other "Ron Paul People," we managed to stake out the north west corner of the park(until they put the drum circle there) and attempted to spread the message that it all boils down to the Fed. In the beginning people were receptive. Then it was co-opted. Hard. The people that started to come were outright hostile to discussion that did not revolve around "tax the rich." The Unions and students came soon after and it turned into a giant "tax the rich" circle jerk. It wasn't worth the time or effort to go down there anymore.

In other words it was co-opted hard. It's a shame because the people there all saw the symptoms, but they were not willing to see the disease even though it was literally right in front of them - 3 blocks away.

You wont find that many friends in the OWS crowd.

 

[CTRattlesnake]

Doubtful.

It was a movement that started, imo, with genuine intentions. From what I understood it started as a way to make the effects of crony capitalism visible to the population at large, especially those who benefit most from it. The "lost generation" was on full display for all of America to see. It was a loose movement though, with no other stated goal other than to increase visibility and spark discussion. When I could, I went down and with a few other "Ron Paul People," we managed to stake out the north west corner of the park(until they put the drum circle there) and attempted to spread the message that it all boils down to the Fed. In the beginning people were receptive. Then it was co-opted. Hard. The people that started to come were outright hostile to discussion that did not revolve around "tax the rich." The Unions and students came soon after and it turned into a giant "tax the rich" circle jerk. It wasn't worth the time or effort to go down there anymore.

In other words it was co-opted hard. It's a shame because the people there all saw the symptoms, but they were not willing to see the disease even though it was literally right in front of them - 3 blocks away.

You wont find that many friends in the OWS crowd.

Do you think Ron has a chance to snag some of the minority congressional districts in the city?

I cant imagine anyone whos going to vote in the republican primary in the South Bronx.

 

[ohgodno]

Do you think Ron has a chance to snag some of the minority congressional districts in the city?

I cant imagine anyone who's going to vote in the republican primary in the South Bronx.

The city it is stacked against him, IMO. The minority population has been trained to think democrat = good republican = bad. They don't vote on issues, they vote by party. NYS is a party centered state. Ron did well in Detroit, but he also visited Detroit. He hasn't gone to the Bronx, or Brooklyn, or Queens for that matter. He hasn't been to Northern NJ where, imo, the Muslim populations would be very receptive to his message.

The districts that have the largest younth population, also tend to have the largest Jewish populations. If you were to watch any of the public access television channels, you would realize these are hard-core firsters. For example there was just a race going on for a NYS congressional seat for the 27th District seat. David Storobin and Lewis A. Fidler used nearly all the time allotted in their debate on NY1 arguing over who is the bigger Zionist. This is for a seat in the NYS house of reps. wtf does support for isreal have to do with NYS? It doesn't. But it shows how these people vote -- and they get out the vote.

His best bet is probably in the northern suburbs where the youth vote will have impact.
Also, the delegate selection is based on party politics. So expect the majority of them to pull the line.

 

[CTRattlesnake]

The city it is stacked against him, IMO. The minority population has been trained to think democrat = good republican = bad. They don't vote on issues, they vote by party. NYS is a party centered state. Ron did well in Detroit, but he also visited Detroit. He hasn't gone to the Bronx, or Brooklyn, or Queens for that matter. He hasn't been to Northern NJ where, imo, the Muslim populations would be very receptive to his message.

The districts that have the largest younth population, also tend to have the largest Jewish populations. If you were to watch any of the public access television channels, you would realize these are hard-core firsters. For example there was just a race going on for a NYS congressional seat for the 27th District seat. David Storobin and Lewis A. Fidler used nearly all the time allotted in their debate on NY1 arguing over who is the bigger Zionist. This is for a seat in the NYS house of reps. wtf does support for isreal have to do with NYS? It doesn't. But it shows how these people vote -- and they get out the vote.

His best bet is probably in the northern suburbs where the youth vote will have impact.
Also, the delegate selection is based on party politics. So expect the majority of them to pull the line.

I'm not saying that the heavily democratic areas switch over to vote for Ron. What i'm suggesting is that Ron may have a chance just because of very low turnout in many democratic strongholds.

Ron won the majority minority CD in Virginia, and even though he did visit Detroit, he seemed to have support their regardless. Again, who is going to vote in the republican primary in minority parts of the boroughs? Not many....I think Ron has a decent chance in 2-3 CD's in the city.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/03/20/nyregion/new-york-redistricting.html

 

[CTRattlesnake]

The 13th, 15th and 5th districts look ripe for the taking

 

[LisaNY]

Ron has done rather well in NY with donations.

I work in Manhattan but don't live here, I'm about an hour upstate and my weekdays tend to take 13-15 hours just in working and commuting. I'd like to help on the weekends if anything is going to come up, preferably closer to home in the lower Hudson Valley region. Also, does anyone know if Ron is going to come back to NY before the primary?

 

[8ClicksPerSecond]

Bronx voter for RP here, don't think there are many Republican voters here. Could go for RP. Unfortunately NY is a closed primary.

 

[CTRattlesnake]

Bronx voter for RP here, don't think there are many Republican voters here. Could go for RP. Unfortunately NY is a closed primary.

Yeah it will be ultra low turnout...and people in urban areas seem to respond to ron's ideas better than the other 3 clowns

 

[8ClicksPerSecond]

Bronx voter for RP here, don't think there are many Republican voters here. Could go for RP. Unfortunately NY is a closed primary. OWS people aren't going to register Republican. Sorry double posted because of my phone.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Bronx voter for RP here, don't think there are many Republican voters here. Could go for RP. Unfortunately NY is a closed primary.

Have you been in touch with us down in Nolita? We have lots we can do. For now go to the library/post office, pick up a bunch of voter reg forms and get every unregistered voter (for Paul) registered we have today and tomorrow.

Turn out is ridiculously low in NYC. I'm going to PM you my phone number, give me a call and we can look up your precinct data

Onward