NEVER NEVER NEVER talk to the police

nah, the police help the lawyers and judges all the time.

Silly geese! I'm talking about regular incidents. I was assisted by some friendly cops when my poor car was the victim of a hit-and-run driver. The police even took the guy to court, since he was in a work release program (he was in jail for DUI at the time and wasn't even supposed to be driving!). Very pleasant officers. I had no problems.

I don't know...obviously not everyone has the same experiences.
 
Most cops that I have come across have been complete assholes in the past few years. One group of cops I came across was about a year ago when someone was trying to break into my friends apartment whilst we were there. We did scare the guy off as she had 2 big bulldogs and we both had shotguns in hand etc. But! The cops would NOT come when we called!! It took 6 phonecalls to 911, and about 45 minutes to an hour for any help. The only reason they did end up coming to our apartment complex was because someone else had reported another problem and they finally came to check it out. They never did catch the guy but they did talk to us and actually recommended that we get guns(which we had) but out of curiosity I had to ask the one cop what guns he recommended, and that lead us into about a 15 minute ego trip that we got to listen to. After that, I just walked back to my place which was a couple buildings over shaking my head.

The time before that, I got pulled for speeding. I had rolled the window down just a little bit because I had my hyperactive weenie dog with me and he was off the chain barking at the stranger approaching my car and the cop got pissed because I wouldn't roll my window down all the way. Started sniffing in my car for anything illegal etc. Bleh!
 
Most cops that I have come across have been complete assholes in the past few years. One group of cops I came across was about a year ago when someone was trying to break into my friends apartment whilst we were there. We did scare the guy off as she had 2 big bulldogs and we both had shotguns in hand etc. But! The cops would NOT come when we called!! It took 6 phonecalls to 911, and about 45 minutes to an hour for any help. The only reason they did end up coming to our apartment complex was because someone else had reported another problem and they finally came to check it out. They never did catch the guy but they did talk to us and actually recommended that we get guns(which we had) but out of curiosity I had to ask the one cop what guns he recommended, and that lead us into about a 15 minute ego trip that we got to listen to. After that, I just walked back to my place which was a couple buildings over shaking my head.

The time before that, I got pulled for speeding. I had rolled the window down just a little bit because I had my hyperactive weenie dog with me and he was off the chain barking at the stranger approaching my car and the cop got pissed because I wouldn't roll my window down all the way. Started sniffing in my car for anything illegal etc. Bleh!


Wait...you have a DACHSHUND?!! I LOVE DACHSHUNDS!!!!! :D
 
My experience

My experience has been that there are very few bad situations in life that cannot be made worse by calling the cops. If the threat is immediate, they can't get there in time. If the threat has passed, they are just a waste because they never bother to try and catch the perp, unless it is an armed robbery or murder.

On the other hand, I have a hardcore anarcho-libertarian friend who started monitoring the police radio channel a couple months ago. He told me he is really starting to appreciate what they do. Now he says the "blue shirts" are the good guys and it is the "black shirts" (by which he means Blackwater) that we have to worry about.

I think the REAL problem is the law. If the cops only had to concern themselves with real crime (and not victimless crime) I think matters would be different. When the cops have to enforce laws that a huge percentage of the population think are bad laws, it creates a schism between the cops and the people.
 
Big city cops are more likely to be sour than the smaller towns. Where I live, for instance, they do their job and don't bother anyone. I have a lot of respect for them, and so long as they respect me and my rights we'll get along fine.

The only exposure I've had to the local police is being pulled over for running a stop sign about ten years ago. I was guilty, I admit it. But he was respectful, polite, and let me off with a warning.

Don't get me wrong. I respect the ones who respect the law, their fellow citizens, and the Constitution. It's when they take their macho-ness beyond the rule of law and the respect they owe to their equals that I have a problem.

The big cities, like New York and Chicago, on the other hand, are a different issue altogether.
 
It varies state to state as well, here in a smallish town with no police dept, just the county cops, they really chomp at the bit to put anyone in a cage when discretion clearly indicates no charge necessary. A very good recent example, a wheelchair-bound man in his mid-50's was snatched up on a dui charge and his car forfeited thereby. He contracted polio as a child and has been wheelchair bound since, says he can walk just a bit but I've never seen him out of the chair in public. He was in the habit of getting out of his subsidized apt about once a week and coming out to the local pubs in order to have some human companionship. He never purchases anything other than a soda, since he has little funds and the soda glass gets free refills. But many of us would offer him a shot on occasion and he would always accept with a gracious thank-you.

One evening he'd had about 3 or 4 shots under the belt and suspected he may have been slightly over the line, so he didn't drive home but rather sat back in his car and listened to some tunes for an hour or so, started it up after a bit because it was cold out and he wanted to run the heater for a bit. The car never moved fro its spot in the parking lot, and presumably after another hour or two he would have made the trip home. But a deputy rolled through the lot, saw the opportunity and got his dui arrest. His bac was only .10, and now his car is gone as well and if he feels the need to get out of the apt he has to roll in the chair to do so, regardless of inclement weather.
 
I have a dachshund too! Wire hair miniature - I love the little guy. He's right next to me as i typ.e
 
It varies state to state as well, here in a smallish town with no police dept, just the county cops, they really chomp at the bit to put anyone in a cage when discretion clearly indicates no charge necessary. A very good recent example, a wheelchair-bound man in his mid-50's was snatched up on a dui charge and his car forfeited thereby. He contracted polio as a child and has been wheelchair bound since, says he can walk just a bit but I've never seen him out of the chair in public. He was in the habit of getting out of his subsidized apt about once a week and coming out to the local pubs in order to have some human companionship. He never purchases anything other than a soda, since he has little funds and the soda glass gets free refills. But many of us would offer him a shot on occasion and he would always accept with a gracious thank-you.

One evening he'd had about 3 or 4 shots under the belt and suspected he may have been slightly over the line, so he didn't drive home but rather sat back in his car and listened to some tunes for an hour or so, started it up after a bit because it was cold out and he wanted to run the heater for a bit. The car never moved fro its spot in the parking lot, and presumably after another hour or two he would have made the trip home. But a deputy rolled through the lot, saw the opportunity and got his dui arrest. His bac was only .10, and now his car is gone as well and if he feels the need to get out of the apt he has to roll in the chair to do so, regardless of inclement weather.

Really? They can get you for DUI when you're not even driving??? He should certainly be able to fight that one.
 
Really? They can get you for DUI when you're not even driving??? He should certainly be able to fight that one.

Yes, according to the law (at least in my state but likely all), if the keys are in the ignition, you're considered to be driving. They can also bust people for DUI when riding their BYCYCLE. I've seen it happen. It's not about public safety - there were already laws against reckless driving - it's about revenue generation and increased police powers.
 
In MA, I believe the keys just have to be inside the car with no sober person at the wheel.
 
Really? They can get you for DUI when you're not even driving??? He should certainly be able to fight that one.

As others have posted, he can certainly fight it but would have to get a jury to nullify, the law here definitely allows for dui charge without any evidence of driving- being in the car, in possession of the keys constitutes having control of the vehicle and the 'not exactly driving while barely under the influence' charge is identical in every way to the full-fledged dui. There was a day when no peace officer would ever dream of inflicting the wrath of the state on a fellow citizen under these circumstances, law or no law discretion would have been applied, and the officer would have likely seen to it that such an individual got a ride home with instructions to wait til morning to retrieve the vehicle. Unfortunately the sun has long since set on that day of generous discretion.
 
As others have posted, he can certainly fight it but would have to get a jury to nullify, the law here definitely allows for dui charge without any evidence of driving- being in the car, in possession of the keys constitutes having control of the vehicle and the 'not exactly driving while barely under the influence' charge is identical in every way to the full-fledged dui. There was a day when no peace officer would ever dream of inflicting the wrath of the state on a fellow citizen under these circumstances, law or no law discretion would have been applied, and the officer would have likely seen to it that such an individual got a ride home with instructions to wait til morning to retrieve the vehicle. Unfortunately the sun has long since set on that day of generous discretion.

well.. that sucks.
 
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