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I Am Weasel

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Noticed a thread over at nasaspaceflight.com regarding presidential candidates. Ron Paul was brought up as being laughable, and was given this response....


Can you explain how Ron Paul is laughable? The man is genuine and the most suited for the job as president. He has the interest of the US sovereignty as the focal point of his campaign and that's laughable? I can't for the life of me understand what is wrong with people today that if a politician is willing to go by the laws of our constitution that he's a laughing stock. {snip}

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I am afraid you do not understand Ron Paul at all.
He is a Libertarian who runs as a Republican (it's easier to get elected that way in the lone star state). His policies range from the scatter-brained (supports "free trade" while also supporting excise taxes on things manufactured in the US), to the unworkable (proposes cutting programs that everybody knows the public will not tolerate cutting... Look: the Republicans started-out their mini revolution in 1994 planning to kill the federal dept of education and PBS, but ended-up boosting spending on the federal dept of education and could not escape the wrath of soccer moms everywhere when they threatened to "kill Big Bird" ). As a libertarian, you should not expect him to want to see the federal government spend any money on space for any purpose other than defense. Most Libertarians believe that things like resource or weather satellites and manned spacecraft are better operated as a commercial for-profit service than as a government service; there's certainly nothing about spaceflight in the Constitution. The one pro-space Ron Paul point I will draw your attention to is that he supported Reagan's SDI program (which is consistent with a person who is essentially an isolationist but who is concerned about national security in the era of MAD). The reason he can get such wide support from so many is that (unlike many politicians) he attempts to be consistent with what he claims to believe and yet he has such a scattered set of positions that almost anybody can find something they like. The trick, of course, is for each supporter to either not look close enough to see all that he does not want, or to assume that Paul would stick to the positions the particular voter likes while failing to stick to all that other stuff...

In any event, you need to realize that Ron Paul will not get the nomination of any party (though he might actually jerk the GOP back a bit towards it's smaller government traditions).
This is a spaceflight forum, not a science fiction forum.

if anybody cares to check out this thread, it's here...
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=9993&start=256&posts=267
 
You should of thank them for their efforts at modern day pyramid building, all done on your tax dollars--read that 'hoax' from the 1960's, 'The Report From Iron Mountain': it's batting about 700 in hindsight.
 
Hey, look, a guy RP wants to take funding away from is crying about how RP is going to take funding away from him.
 
There's a large block of space enthusiasts who worship NASA and think they can do no wrong. These brainwased enthusiasts wouldn't be happy with a 1000% increase in NASA's budget. NASA's problems are not because of a small budget. It's another bureaucracy unable and unwilling to take risks.

I believe the future of space flight is with people like Burt Rutan.
 
I'll bet him $20 right now that Burt Rutan or another private space group will have a man on Mars before NASA gets another man on the Moon.

JM
 
Is private space research legal? should be. I know there's no competition in manufacturing/research, that's why we're getting nowhere.
 
What a surprise...

A bunch of entrenched bureaucrats in a state of panic that they might have to go and get real jobs that produce results.
 
Is private space research legal? should be. I know there's no competition in manufacturing/research, that's why we're getting nowhere.

Much research is classified and/or compartmentalized. I think that is the heart of the problem.

Whenever an independent researcher makes a discovery he/she is showered with federal grants or offered a government job. Either way, they work for the government from then on, and are told to keep their mouth shut.
 
There's a large block of space enthusiasts who worship NASA and think they can do no wrong. These brainwased enthusiasts wouldn't be happy with a 1000% increase in NASA's budget. NASA's problems are not because of a small budget. It's another bureaucracy unable and unwilling to take risks.

I believe the future of space flight is with people like Burt Rutan.

Well, like the exploration of the america's, it was government sponsored trips that set the way until commercial activities set out. Commercial activities won't happen until the government makes the first step.

I agree that NASA is a buerocratic beast but that's because a lot of it is actually stipulations by congress people that their districts get portions of the NASA pie.

There will never be an amount of which NASA will be satisfied, nor will scientists (including myself). However, cutting funding will hinder the US in the future.

US economy has continued to grow because we stay ahead of the rest. When people were still weaving clothing, we stole weaving machine designs from britain and perfected it which is now made in china. When there was a need for a new strong material, we made steel which is now made in japan. When we needed transistors and computers, we built them, which are now made in taiwan. Now we make satelites and space components. If we don't continue the progression we will soon lose that market to some other country.

He could cut nasa costs and increase scientific output by getting rid of all the NASA pet projects.
 
The private sector makes NASA what it is anyway. Where are they looking for their new rocket designs? The private sector.
 
NASA

does anyone else agree with me that it is a huge waste of money and that if they wanted to do it then they need to find a way to make profit off it it... not take billions and use it to look at the black hole in the center of our universe, or examine evaporated ice crystals from a comet...

i dont know about you guys but i dont care where i came from, and i really dont care to know because we will never know... and that is all that NASA is about... and no matter how much money you give them, no matter how much technology is used you will never be able to answer how matter came into existence. why dont we spend all that useless money that we spend on NASA and make zero emission fuels... now that's something the market can profit from.
 
NASA

does anyone else agree with me that it is a huge waste of money and that if they wanted to do it then they need to find a way to make profit off it it... not take billions and use it to look at the black hole in the center of our universe, or examine evaporated ice crystals from a comet...

i dont know about you guys but i dont care where i came from, and i really dont care to know because we will never know... and that is all that NASA is about... and no matter how much money you give them, no matter how much technology is used you will never be able to answer how matter came into existence. why dont we spend all that useless money that we spend on NASA and make zero emission fuels... now that's something the market can profit from.

I wouldnt call it useless

We can learn much about space and how things here on earth react to it. The better we understand space the better we can understand things back here at home. Personally everything with the universe amazes me, its so unknown so vast, and with the USA exploring, learning, and pioneering it is just another great bulletin for this amazing country.

However I think space exploration should be funded internationally and be a worldwide movement rather than just the US spending all the money to send up an american crew and an Italian here and there.
 
There's a large block of space enthusiasts who worship NASA and think they can do no wrong. These brainwased enthusiasts wouldn't be happy with a 1000% increase in NASA's budget. NASA's problems are not because of a small budget. It's another bureaucracy unable and unwilling to take risks.

I don't think there is a large block of real space enthusiasts that "worship NASA". As a member of L5 when it fought off the UN's "moon treaty", most actual space activists have been interested in private ventures into space for a long time, having seen how the government completely gutted the space programs at political whim in the 70s.

The private space ventures going on right now - for instance spaceshipone, is completely in line with this.

We need to start reaching out to the private space enthusiasts; open source; electronic freedom crowd.
 
I wouldnt call it useless

We can learn much about space and how things here on earth react to it. The better we understand space the better we can understand things back here at home. Personally everything with the universe amazes me, its so unknown so vast, and with the USA exploring, learning, and pioneering it is just another great bulletin for this amazing country.

However I think space exploration should be funded internationally and be a worldwide movement rather than just the US spending all the money to send up an american crew and an Italian here and there.

don't say that to Alex Jones, I can see it being privatley funded internationally
 
What needs to be cleared up, and addressed to make privatization more robust, is property rights in space.

Google it
 
NASA has done some great work for America, and humankind. That being said, big centralized government research organizations are phenomenally wasteful. I would support redirecting 2/3rds of the budget into space research grants for educational institutions, to encourage a competitive mode of research.
 
I wouldnt call it useless

We can learn much about space and how things here on earth react to it. The better we understand space the better we can understand things back here at home. Personally everything with the universe amazes me, its so unknown so vast, and with the USA exploring, learning, and pioneering it is just another great bulletin for this amazing country.

However I think space exploration should be funded internationally and be a worldwide movement rather than just the US spending all the money to send up an american crew and an Italian here and there.

i love space exploration also... iv always dreamed of being an astronomer since i was a little kid... i have telescopes and all kinds of dorky crap... but the only good nasa does is to create synthetic good in space... making new materials, and figuring out new ways to do things... materials, foods, ect.. all these things they should be able to profit from and fund themselves up into space... not take our money
 
"you don't really know what Ron Paul stands for" has to be the most pretentious statement I ever encounter from anti-Paulites
 
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