My Neighbors Just Ate their Dog (Seriously). What is the libertarian stance on this?

pacodever

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So I live in Guam for another week and woke up this morning to a horrible sound coming from my Chuukese neighbors' yard. Went outside to check it out and saw that one of our neighbors had strung their dog up by some cable so that it was hanging from the tree and choking to death. I yelled at him to quit and get the dog down. Which he started to do but I didn't think the dog was going to make it so I ran inside to get a knife to cut it down. By the time I returned he was carrying the dog (still moving and making horrible sounds to the other side of the house). I climbed over the wall and grabbed their other puppy and took it back to my house. By this time other dog was no where to be seen and had quit making sounds and the neighbor had driven off.

I called the police (I know :rolleyes: but there is not a humane society or pet-abuse enforcement agency out here) and filed a complaint. This was the last remaining dog of the original three that neighbors had gotten about a year ago who mysteriously disappeared as well. After waiting an hour and filing a police report, the police officer basically said they weren't going to do anything and that I could file a complaint, but they were still not going to do anything even then. The head of the household came back and talked with the police and I was told to return the puppy because it belonged to him, and the other dog strung up on the tree belonged to his brother who was doing the hanging.

Dog eating is common and accepted on the island of Chuuk. But this not Chuuk. Guam has horrible animal protection laws and even worse enforcement and apparently even the lawmakers and enforcement are unsure of the legality of eating your own dog.

What is the libertarian stance on eating your own dog on your own property? :confused: Even if you accept the cultural differences of eating dog, isn't hanging the dog from a tree and beating it to death with a stick (the Chuukese custom) animal cruelty? Cows are put down more humanely than that.

Is there anything else I should have done? Can't help but think that I should have just grabbed both dogs and got them to the animal shelter, but it sounds like legally I would have been in the wrong and I would have to worry about protecting my wife and newborn from reprisal as well as dealing with any legal repercussions while trying to get the hell out of here. Not something I had ever thought about or was ready to deal early Saturday morning.

As I am writing this, they are having a dog barbecue and my wife and I are eagerly packing to leave the island and get back to the states next week.
 
They eat dog in Korea and Mexico too. People in India think we are nuts because we eat cow. Many Muslims think eating a pig is vile and disgusting. The French eat frogs. Different strokes for different folks.
 
They eat dog in Korea and Mexico too. People in India think we are nuts because we eat cow. Many Muslims think eating a pig is vile and disgusting. The French eat frogs. Different strokes for different folks.
agreed
 
They eat dog in Korea and Mexico too. People in India think we are nuts because we eat cow. Many Muslims think eating a pig is vile and disgusting. The French eat frogs. Different strokes for different folks.


Whaaaaaaaaaaat? I honestly have never seen that and I don't think I've ever met someone who would do that. Then again, we have some weeeeeeeird ass Indian tribes back in Mexico, so who knows. Any "civilized" Mexican would find it disgusting.
 
Whaaaaaaaaaaat? I honestly have never seen that and I don't think I've ever met someone who would do that. Then again, we have some weeeeeeeird ass Indian tribes back in Mexico, so who knows. Any "civilized" Mexican would find it disgusting.

It was in Tijuana. My friends who were missionaries had just came back from the Orient, to take a break and moved to San Diego, California. Every other Sunday, after church, they take a ride to this little hole in the wall restaurant in Tijuana. The wife loved, what she thought was chipped beef in a cream sauce....they had been going there for a few months. Their son came to visit so they took him to their favorite little hole in the wall. Helen raved about her dish, that she always gets. Their son spoke Spanish and asked the waiter for the recipe, he hesitated, and then told their son the special meat it was Perro. Needless to say, my friends never went back--this was in the 80's. True Story.
 
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They eat dog in Korea and Mexico too. People in India think we are nuts because we eat cow. Many Muslims think eating a pig is vile and disgusting. The French eat frogs. Different strokes for different folks.

Yup.

I imagine the sight of freshly gutted deer hanging from a backyard tree would be equally revolting to many.
 
Hey Humans, leave those kids alone!
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I could see a libertarian society where animals that had more intelligence had some rights.
 
There is no black and white. IMO, if the dog was killed quickly, then it's all good.

I would put humans on a level above the other animals (given many more rights beyond (inflicting unnecessary amounts of pain), though I have no solid reasoning to support that.
 
They eat dog in Korea and Mexico too. People in India think we are nuts because we eat cow. Many Muslims think eating a pig is vile and disgusting. The French eat frogs. Different strokes for different folks.
Completely right. When you bite into a huge ham and bacon sandwich in front of a Muslim I'm sure it would want to make him want to vomit. A lot of places in Africa eat bugs and monkey brains. Thailand has a delicacy of an egg where theres a fully formed chick inside but hasn't hatched yet and they eat that. You'd be surprised at what people eat, you'd also be surprised at how good those things can be also. For me atleast I could never eat a dog, I love them too much and I almost think of them as part of my family, be sort of like cannibalism for me.
 
I can get around the cultural differences on what is considered food if we were on Chuuk, but there was nothing quick or humane about the "slaughter." From initially hearing the sounds to seeing it had to be at least 45 seconds. But it doesn't make any sense for it to be ok to abuse an animal just because I am about to eat it but illegal to abuse that same animal in other cases.

And I was just minding my own business in my own house until I heard some horrible animal sounds outside coming from the direction of their house but still possibly on my property or caught on the fencing between until I went outside and saw that shit.

There is a little bit of history too with the neighbors. We've had to stop their kids from coming over and taunting our own dog (which we were relieved to finally get off the island yesterday), and throwing rocks at another neighbor's cow while it was tangled up. They also regularly kick and beat their dogs (all puppies because we have yet to see a dog make it to 1 year old there) with sticks all in plain view so its not like we are being nosy. We have tried to tell their children that they should treat animals nicely since they can't defend themselves when they came over to watch us put up X-mas lights. The adults are usually nowhere to be found.

The joy with which one of the kids does this shit and watches his uncle (the one killing the dog) is sociopath, future rapist/murderer stuff. Seriously chilling to my wife and I. And of course my concerns that if we did call the police, we would just be ignored and create a tense situation with the neighbors was confirmed. But just couldn't stand by and let it happen. At least we'll be out of here Tuesday...
 
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