My County Won't Take my money! Help needed!

[Jordan]

I got a traffic ticket, stupid ridiculous ticket I should have never gotten.

Anyway, I went in to pay it with $115.50 in all change, every last cent of it. And guess what?

They wouldn't take it.

The lady said it had to be rolled. I asked for paperwork or some statute that makes coinage that is not rolled nontender. No dice.

They must know how worthless the dollar is know.

Anyway, I'm going back on Monday but I'm going to be armed and ready. I need sources, citations, something to tell them that "you're going to take my money and I'm not rolling it for you."

Any help, I live in Indiana BTW.

 

[LibertyEagle]

No, they're just too lazy to count out 115 dollars in change. Either that, or they're unable, because they too are products of the public school system.

 

[Aldanga]

Look in your city statutes for what type of payment is accepted for traffic tickets (or fines in general). That should give you pretty solid ground.

 

[Jordan]

Look in your city statutes for what type of payment is accepted for traffic tickets (or fines in general). That should give you pretty solid ground.

Hmm... I'm looking now but I can't even find the city statutes online. Damn I hate the government.

Evansville Indiana is what I'm looking for.

 

[Kludge]

I don't think the "government" gives a damn what you do. You'd just be giving someone a shitty day.

 

[gls]

AFAIK they don't have to accept it. FRNs might be "legal tender for all purposes public or private" but change is another story. Try taking it to the bank...they should be able to exchange it for you or at least give you the papers to roll it up. Or you can take it to a Coinstar machine and trade it straight up (no charge) for an amazon.com gift card. In that case you'd have to pay the ticket with some other source of funds, obviously.

Either way, I'd quickly inspect it for any pre-65 silver first.

 

[SirNim]

"Legal Tender Statute" (section 5103 of title 31 of the U.S. Code), "United States coins and currency (including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

-source

 

[gls]

"Legal Tender Statute" (section 5103 of title 31 of the U.S. Code), "United States coins and currency (including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

-source

Interesting... that surprises me. It seems like it opens up an easy avenue for protest (like the OP is apparently trying to do).

 

[Jordan]

Interesting... that surprises me. It seems like it opens up an easy avenue for protest (like the OP is apparently trying to do).

It has been an easy avenue for protest in Indiana. Check out here:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/1033920/man_pays_big_tax_bill_in_coins_1_bills/index.html

This year he paid in all coins.

But my city apparently wont take change unless its wrapped. I didn't know wrapping it was required to make it legal tender.

 

[SirNim]

I didn't know wrapping it was required to make it legal tender.

Their policy is clearly afoul of U.S. Code.

 

[Jordan]

Their policy is clearly afoul of U.S. Code.

Clearly, unfortunately government doesn't care when they break the law, only when you do.

 

[SirNim]

Clearly, unfortunately government doesn't care when they break the law, only when you do.

I heard of a similar situation a few months ago in which the office "insisted" that the payer remain at the office while his box of coins was counted and verified, which would be somewhat of a compromise scenario--they take it, but you've got to wait until they're done with it. fyi

 

[fr33domfightr]

Write a check with disappearing ink. It'll get passed the person at the window, but can't be cashed later...hehe.


FF

 

[BeFranklin]

I got a traffic ticket, stupid ridiculous ticket I should have never gotten.

Anyway, I went in to pay it with $115.50 in all change, every last cent of it. And guess what?

They wouldn't take it.

The lady said it had to be rolled. I asked for paperwork or some statute that makes coinage that is not rolled nontender. No dice.

They must know how worthless the dollar is know.

Anyway, I'm going back on Monday but I'm going to be armed and ready. I need sources, citations, something to tell them that "you're going to take my money and I'm not rolling it for you."

Any help, I live in Indiana BTW.

This is interesting. It sounds like a great way to appeal, and then argue the gold and silver standard.

I can not pay this parket ticket because in fact there is no legal money to pay it in. Thanks for not accepting my change to help prove this point

Not saying you can do this by Monday, but I'm seeing someone could do it this way.

 

[Jordan]

I heard of a similar situation a few months ago in which the office "insisted" that the payer remain at the office while his box of coins was counted and verified, which would be somewhat of a compromise scenario--they take it, but you've got to wait until they're done with it. fyi

Trust me I've got all the time in the world and was fully prepared to wait. I brought a foldout chair in my backpack with me

I'm going back with the US code in hand, if they don't take it then I dont know. They just have to. Ha

 

[BeFranklin]

FYI: There seems to be a lot of support for the gold standard in Indiana. The RP money guy was from there. Also this just recently:

State Senator Files Gold Money Bill
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread428260/pg1

 

[Sandra]

I got a traffic ticket, stupid ridiculous ticket I should have never gotten.

Anyway, I went in to pay it with $115.50 in all change, every last cent of it. And guess what?

They wouldn't take it.

The lady said it had to be rolled. I asked for paperwork or some statute that makes coinage that is not rolled nontender. No dice.

They must know how worthless the dollar is know.

Anyway, I'm going back on Monday but I'm going to be armed and ready. I need sources, citations, something to tell them that "you're going to take my money and I'm not rolling it for you."

Any help, I live in Indiana BTW.

They are not refusing your payment. Per banking policy, their bank won't take large amounts of unrolled coins. They are also not responsible for the costs and time to roll your coins. Where's personal responsibility ?

 

[BeFranklin]

They are not refusing your payment. Per banking policy, their bank won't take large amounts of unrolled coins. They are also not responsible for the costs and time to roll your coins. Where's personal responsibility ?

Its either a tender for payment of legal debts like taxes or parking tickets or it is not.

This isn't a bank. This is a state not accepting it, when the constitution clearly says they can't require payment in other than gold and silver in the first place.

 

[Jordan]

They are not refusing your payment. Per banking policy, their bank won't take large amounts of unrolled coins. They are also not responsible for the costs and time to roll your coins. Where's personal responsibility ?

Its not about personal responsibility. Obviously I owe this and I am willing to pay it.

Its about the fact that they want $115.50 for a traffic offense. $115? Seriously! Thats a lot of money for forgetting a license at home.

 

[Sandra]

Its not about personal responsibility. Obviously I owe this and I am willing to pay it.

Its about the fact that they want $115.50 for a traffic offense. $115? Seriously! Thats a lot of money for forgetting a license at home.

I got a 100.00 ticket for the same thing. Just pay it and put your license in a wallet or something that's always with you.