My Aquaponic Experience So Far This Year

TomKat

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I have been a member for a while but I am still new to the forums, so please forgive me if I am not doing things correctly.

I found out about aquaponics earlier this year and like most who find out about it, I was totally hooked. I built my own system the next day and had plants planted the day after. I started with a fishless cycle but I was way too eager to get started and added fish the next week (incorrectly). I started with a small fish tank and only one growing bed that I filled with pea gravel and started growing strawberries and lettuce and suplimented with Azomite rock dust.



After the system cycled, the growth went nuts! I had the best lettuce I have ever tasted and the juciest strawberries that I have ever had. I was so impressed that I built another bed for the garden and was contimplating on what else to grow.



When my mom showed up with most of a "flat" of Omish raised jalapenos, I knew what I wanted to do! I took 11 jalapenos and planted them all within an 18" x 18" x 1' area to test out how good the system can be. I heard that you can grow very close to other plants because with aquaponics the plants do not have to fight with their roots to obtain nutrients and I wanted to see just how close you can grow. I knew peppers in square foot gardening needed 1 square foot to grow in so this sounded like a good test for the system. In the new bed I finally planted some tomatoes that I grew from seed as well as some peppers I grew. The cantaloupe and watermelon seemed like a perfect fit for the system, so I just moved some pea gravel and put some seeds directly into the system.



Since then, things have going nuts! The jalapenos were growing a lot of fruit, the strawberries had runners going everywhere, the tomatoes started growing like mad, and the cantaloupe and watermelon have started to take off, but my other peppers in the new bed stayed small. I had a few bouts of iron depletion, so I had to suppliment with cheleated iron. I have made a few update videos to show the progress.





And thats where the fish started dying off. It started with one showing up dead, then four, then five. Every day started by scooping the dead fish out. I went from 32 to about eleven in just over one week. I am still working on this problem and I suspect the heat combined with the small fish tank are the biggest problems and I am getting ready to make a hot tub the new fish tank for the garden to help stabilize the ph better as well as help with the evaporation that has been a problem. I made an update yesterday of the progress in the garden so far. Hopefully the next update will have the new fish tank in it.



If anyone has any answers or theories as to why the fish have been dying off, I would love to hear them! I have checked out ich, ph, and nitrogen burn of which all could be the reason but the ich arguement may be the weakest. I have had the fish since early March and I would suspect that ich would have killed more by now and not just in the last few weeks. But at the same time, this is the first time I have had fish since high school.
 
Looks awesome!

This forum is a really great source for any help you might need: http://www.backyardaquaponics.com/forum/

If you're having trouble with the ph of your system, it could be the gravel you're using. Avoid anything with limestone and don't use decomposed granite. Crushed granite works well.
 
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The more water there is in your system the more buffer. Do you have a water test kit? TDS? Nitrates? Hardness? Iron?


At first glance it would seem your iron supplement was too much too fast for your fish.
 
I just started the move tonite to make the new fish tank a 450 gallon hot tub (but only 2/3s full) to take care of the buffer issue as well as the temp issue. Yes I have test kits, not for everything but most. Tds "shouldn't" be a problem due to the amount of evaporation but at the same time that might be it. Nitrates and nitrites, hardness and iron seem to be in check. I have had a heavy iron deficientcy in the past but have supplimented and am on schedule with it now. Iron would be the suspect but I have had it stable for over a month now and actually I need to add iron this week. Not that it is out of the question.
 
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Awesome, thanks. Great advice! I have heard that before and have tried to avoid it. My ph has been pretty steady around 6.8. A few times as low as 6.6, but almost always 6.8. Fill h2o is sometimes city h2o after sitting in the sun to kill the chlorine and tested before adding, but usually is rain h20. Both of them are almost always dead on at 7.0.
 
Sometimes although pH is reading 6.6-6.8 it may be much lower. Shell grit can be added, it acts slowly and safely.
Eco rose will bring the pH up but add in small increments so as not to change too rapidly.
Salt at up to 3 parts per thousand can help too. It will help prevent disease and can add trace minerals for your plant. I'd suggest 1ppt.
 
Do you put your pump on a timer?

Oh and add worms to your growbeds!
 
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The pump is stays running 24/7. Yes, I have put a bunch of red wigglers into the beds. I have only seen 1 dead so far.
 
Looks great! Nice to see you're interested in aquaponics.

In regard to your dead fish,
Do you measure your pH ? (guess you do, missed that post)
What is the temperature of the water and does the temperature in the fish tank increase/decrease rapidly ?

-I did not see any aeration (apart from dripping water), warmer water holds less air and the tank isn't filled to the edge. It could hold more water.
-The plants definetely look healthy so there are plenty of nutrients. It's always a good idea to have a small pond/aquarium filter for the water to run through, gravel will hold bacteria to turn ammonia into nitrite->nitrate but a dedicated filter will make sure levels of deadly ammonia remain low.

Basically the two things I think are the most likely cause of death for your fish:
-Lack of oxygen (due to warm water)
-Too much ammonia (even though the plants look great)
 
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Excellent analysis! As I read it I was coming to the same conclusions!
The outdoor temp for the last week has been over 100 degrees f, and the tank has kept a temp close to 90 degrees f even though the tank is black. I have been filling the tank every other day or so with at least 3 to 5 gallons of either chlorine neutralized tap h2o or rain h2o collected in a plastic bucket. I had an aerator that was aerating the beds through the bell syphon area but it died in the last storm we had. The tank gets aeration when the syphons go off but like you said, higher temp, less oxygen. I am getting ready to move the fish to a hot tub for the fish tank very soon. I got it set up yesterday and I just need to build a platform for the beds to sit on and I am ready to go. I will make sure to post a video when that is done in the next few days.
 
Growing plants in your house? Don't be surprised if you get a 0300 visit from the DEA.


I wish I was kidding... but... :(
 
Growing plants in your house? Don't be surprised if you get a 0300 visit from the DEA.


I wish I was kidding... but... :(

Lol! Obviously I have a hard enough time growing outdoors, let alone indoors! But thanks for the egoboost!
 
I have been a member for a while but I am still new to the forums, so please forgive me if I am not doing things correctly.

I found out about aquaponics earlier this year and like most who find out about it, I was totally hooked. I built my own system the next day and had plants planted the day after. I started with a fishless cycle but I was way too eager to get started and added fish the next week (incorrectly). I started with a small fish tank and only one growing bed that I filled with pea gravel and started growing strawberries and lettuce and suplimented with Azomite rock dust.



After the system cycled, the growth went nuts! I had the best lettuce I have ever tasted and the juciest strawberries that I have ever had. I was so impressed that I built another bed for the garden and was contimplating on what else to grow.



When my mom showed up with most of a "flat" of Omish raised jalapenos, I knew what I wanted to do! I took 11 jalapenos and planted them all within an 18" x 18" x 1' area to test out how good the system can be. I heard that you can grow very close to other plants because with aquaponics the plants do not have to fight with their roots to obtain nutrients and I wanted to see just how close you can grow. I knew peppers in square foot gardening needed 1 square foot to grow in so this sounded like a good test for the system. In the new bed I finally planted some tomatoes that I grew from seed as well as some peppers I grew. The cantaloupe and watermelon seemed like a perfect fit for the system, so I just moved some pea gravel and put some seeds directly into the system.



Since then, things have going nuts! The jalapenos were growing a lot of fruit, the strawberries had runners going everywhere, the tomatoes started growing like mad, and the cantaloupe and watermelon have started to take off, but my other peppers in the new bed stayed small. I had a few bouts of iron depletion, so I had to suppliment with cheleated iron. I have made a few update videos to show the progress.





And thats where the fish started dying off. It started with one showing up dead, then four, then five. Every day started by scooping the dead fish out. I went from 32 to about eleven in just over one week. I am still working on this problem and I suspect the heat combined with the small fish tank are the biggest problems and I am getting ready to make a hot tub the new fish tank for the garden to help stabilize the ph better as well as help with the evaporation that has been a problem. I made an update yesterday of the progress in the garden so far. Hopefully the next update will have the new fish tank in it.



If anyone has any answers or theories as to why the fish have been dying off, I would love to hear them! I have checked out ich, ph, and nitrogen burn of which all could be the reason but the ich arguement may be the weakest. I have had the fish since early March and I would suspect that ich would have killed more by now and not just in the last few weeks. But at the same time, this is the first time I have had fish since high school.



Are they goldfish? You probably have too many .
 
Yes, golfish and "feeder fish". They have been in the same tank for 5 months and just recently dying off.

Update: As of just now the remaining fish have been moved to the new fish tank, the hot tub!
 
I have an old hot tub that I was thinking of converting to aquaponics. When you do, don't spare the details, this will be awfully useful.
 
Excellent analysis! As I read it I was coming to the same conclusions!
The outdoor temp for the last week has been over 100 degrees f, and the tank has kept a temp close to 90 degrees f even though the tank is black. I have been filling the tank every other day or so with at least 3 to 5 gallons of either chlorine neutralized tap h2o or rain h2o collected in a plastic bucket. I had an aerator that was aerating the beds through the bell syphon area but it died in the last storm we had. The tank gets aeration when the syphons go off but like you said, higher temp, less oxygen. I am getting ready to move the fish to a hot tub for the fish tank very soon. I got it set up yesterday and I just need to build a platform for the beds to sit on and I am ready to go. I will make sure to post a video when that is done in the next few days.

What you can do to both aerate and filter the water is take an empty coke bottle or something that has a bit of structural integrity. Melt some holes in the bottom with a screwdriver and put a hose for air through one of those holes. (find a way to get an airstone on the end while it's in the bottle...) And then fill the bottle with small gravel. As you bubble air through that it will create a great space for bacteria to live. Water will be sucked in from the bottom and pushed out the top by the air moving up, this is MORE efficient in moving water than a water pump, up to 10 times more efficient in power consumption, but it just moves water and cannot be used to pump above water level. But this is the cheapest and easiest way to filter and aerate a small pond. My advice is to get a nice quality air pump, preferably one with a cylinder instead of a membrane. (less noise, more durability) and bubble air through the fishpond and the grow bed, by doing this you ensure that there is always plenty of oxygen in the water regardless of the temperature.
 
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