More open mined than most, my thoughts on the debate...

[JohnnyWrath]

More open minded than most, my thoughts on the debate...

OK, there are many here who are going to say Ron Paul wins everytime, I am not one of them....I want to give my thoughts as an open minded Ron Paul supporter and Republican/libertarian.

First off, I'll go right at it, and say Romney won this debate. He seemed intelligent, which he obviously is, and he also got crazy amounts of time to talk. The debate almost was about McCain and Romney as a focus, and McCain looked like an idiot.

Ron Paul....he did do well, and on certain answers got pretty good applause, and actually seemed to get the loudest applause of all several times from the somewhat muted crowd. I believe he is making a serious mistake by answering every single question no matter what the issue is by talking about foreign policy...it almost does seem obsessive and single minded. I understand that issues do tie together, but it is a SERIOUS mistake in my opinion to constantly answer every single question by relating the issue to the federal reserve printing money or foreign policy....it does seem weird. Ron Paul also talked too fast....ended sentences without finishing them, and seemed too excited and wired...not a Presidential appearance. He should remain calm, but be confident and collected....my opinion. All in all, he did get the best applauses of the night from the audience.

Huckabee didn't do much better...by begging for airtime, it actually hurt him I think...although he is well spoken, and usually the wittiest of the candidates, he drew attention to the fact he is no longer important by begging to be heard...understand? It drew attention to the fact he was being left out...I am glad Ron tries to avoid this as much as possible at the debates even though he gets screwed 50 times worse than Huckabee ever did....Ron must get quite angry at times, but almost begging to be heard just amplifies the fact you are being ignored because the hosts feel you are a waste of time. It comes across as pathetic kind of.

McCain, unless the people who watched this are completely stupid, looked really bad tonight...he basically got thrown into a match against Romney, and came across as looking like an idiot. He had trouble even talking because in my opinion he is trying to remember something someone else told him to say. He does not recognize that "Islamic extremist fascists" is sounding dumber and dumber each day. He also completely could not understand that the Romney quote he was using against Romney...actually backed up Romney and made him seem like a moron.....the audience reaction clearly showed during that section they knew Romney was right, and then the moderator even backed up Romney....McCain looked like a total idiot.

These are my opinions....I think McCain hurt himself, I think Romney did very very well, and I think Huck and Ron both did OK but were not given much chance at all.

 

[Thanehand]

I agree with most points, but I did think Ron performed very well tonight. The fact of the matter is that these issues ARE tied together and people know this, or have the tendency to have a lightbulb click when they hear it repeatedly.

In regards to the other candidates, I just hope that I'm not the only American that realized you could cut the smugness with a knife. See screenshot of the debate I posted in this thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=106945

 

[Edu]

Ron Paul won! He was on point! It's crazy government spending and trying to be the police of the world!

That's the ONLY POINT!

Debate over in 7 minutes! Done, no commercials. Short sweet and any idiot can understand.

 

[JohnnyWrath]

The fact of the matter is that these issues ARE tied together and people know this, or have the tendency to have a lightbulb click when they hear it repeatedly.

It can come across like Tancredo blaming every American ill on immigration...in my opinion, it is the same people watching all these debates...you are either a debate watcher or you are not. Ron keeps answering every single question with the same answer....it is the federal reserve and foreign policies fault....true or not, it seemed too much for me tonight.

He has got to get new material, it's like watching the same debate over and over as far as he goes. He needs to throw in some positive talk as welll...without a doubt...quit being soooooooo negative because people don't want to hear always how bad we suck. we do of course, but people don't always want to hear it.

 

[JoBurke]

First off, I'll go right at it, and say Romney won this debate.

isnt hard if you are given loads of time to talk BS - its all lies, you know it we know it....so I guess I am saying kiss it to your open mindedness

Really.

 

[jbuttell]

very good points... Agree for the most part, though I feel really did quite well by pointing out the childish bickering going on...while perhaps not all it takes to win... It was the highlight of the debate if you ask me. To win of course, in the other candidates cases, you just keep a steady flow of bull streaming out of your mouth to rudely get as much face time as possible.

 

[Molly1]

I believe he is making a serious mistake by answering every single question no matter what the issue is by talking about foreign policy..


Unfortunately, foreign policy is the sick heart of the problem. It is the very thing which will be our downfall. Everything else is ancillary to it.

And, as far as I'm concerned, the neocons know it and they approve of the outcome.

People like Mccain and Huckabee are just pawns in their hands.

Romney--I can't figure out what his point is--he can manage the killing of other people better?

Good grief--sick!

 

[Craig_R]

OK, there are many here who are going to say Ron Paul wins everytime, I am not one of them....I want to give my thoughts as an open minded Ron Paul supporter and Republican/libertarian.

First off, I'll go right at it, and say Romney won this debate. He seemed intelligent, which he obviously is, and he also got crazy amounts of time to talk. The debate almost was about McCain and Romney as a focus, and McCain looked like an idiot.

Ron Paul....he did do well, and on certain answers got pretty good applause, and actually seemed to get the loudest applause of all several times from the somewhat muted crowd. I believe he is making a serious mistake by answering every single question no matter what the issue is by talking about foreign policy...it almost does seem obsessive and single minded. I understand that issues do tie together, but it is a SERIOUS mistake in my opinion to constantly answer every single question by relating the issue to the federal reserve printing money or foreign policy....it does seem weird. Ron Paul also talked too fast....ended sentences without finishing them, and seemed too excited and wired...not a Presidential appearance. He should remain calm, but be confident and collected....my opinion. All in all, he did get the best applauses of the night from the audience.

Huckabee didn't do much better...by begging for airtime, it actually hurt him I think...although he is well spoken, and usually the wittiest of the candidates, he drew attention to the fact he is no longer important by begging to be heard...understand? It drew attention to the fact he was being left out...I am glad Ron tries to avoid this as much as possible at the debates even though he gets screwed 50 times worse than Huckabee ever did....Ron must get quite angry at times, but almost begging to be heard just amplifies the fact you are being ignored because the hosts feel you are a waste of time. It comes across as pathetic kind of.

McCain, unless the people who watched this are completely stupid, looked really bad tonight...he basically got thrown into a match against Romney, and came across as looking like an idiot. He had trouble even talking because in my opinion he is trying to remember something someone else told him to say. He does not recognize that "Islamic extremist fascists" is sounding dumber and dumber each day. He also completely could not understand that the Romney quote he was using against Romney...actually backed up Romney and made him seem like a moron.....the audience reaction clearly showed during that section they knew Romney was right, and then the moderator even backed up Romney....McCain looked like a total idiot.

These are my opinions....I think McCain hurt himself, I think Romney did very very well, and I think Huck and Ron both did OK but were not given much chance at all.

I agree totally. After Dr. Paul stumbled through the first question and made no sense what so ever I felt my heart hit the bottom of my stomach. Of course I knew what he was trying so desperately to spit out but to someone who doesn't know the issues, who's never seen Paul speak, who only listens to what the TV tells them. right there that first question they wrote him off.

Listening to Romney I had to keep reminding myself he sucks

I sure wish Paul would've interrupted during the "conservative credentials" part that Anderson cut him off from answering and NEVER went back to as he promised to do

 

[JohnnyWrath]

isnt hard if you are given loads of time to talk BS - its all lies, you know it we know it....so I guess I am saying kiss it to your open mindedness

Really.

Not 100% sure what you are saying here, but as far as "win" goes I mean...."actually made progress in winning over supporters and winning votes." My opinion from this debate was that Romney won because McCain looked like shit while Romney made sense. We may not agree with every candidate....people have different opinions on what should be done, but Romney came across as well spoken, intelligent, and not as robotic as he has in some debates....he won votes away from McCain tonight in my opinion, so I say he won.....it's just my opinion.

Yes, it does matter that he had TONS of time to talk and wasn't cut off every sentence, but that is out of our control for the most part. If not for our grassroots efforts, Ron Paul may not even be getting in these debates....they might be afraid to not put him in at least at this point...we have made progress, but no, we are not getting equal time at all. I almost sense Ron Paul knows he is going to get very little time, and probably be cut off, and that may be why he does talk too fast....I'm not in his head though, I don't know.

 

[coffeewithchess]

Yea, RP lost 90% of America talking about the Federal Reserve again and his answer on pollution(?) being about property rights wasn't even a finished answer and it probably didn't make sense to people listening...luckily I've heard him answer that before so I KNEW what he was trying to say, but he didn't say it.

 

[ToryNotion]

The biggest mistake Dr Paul made was not taking advantage of the format. This was not a timed debate. Romney took advantage of that and went on and on and on. When Dr Paul had the floor he should have said something like 'I will address that question but first I like to talk a bit about this primary season...' and then emphasis that only a small % of citizen have been able to vote (make every vote count) and that we shouldn't be focused on only a few candidates and that he hopes the moderators are scrupolous in making sure the american people get to hear each candidate as nearly as possibly even.....etc. Say it graciously and respectfully but take control from the start. There was no reason to not take as much time as was needed. I've heard comments that AC cut Dr Paul off. Maybe I wasn't watching close enough but I did not get that sense. I know AC is crooked as hell and I hate CNN.

 

[Molly1]

Yea, RP lost 90% of America talking about the Federal Reserve again and his answer on pollution(?) being about property rights wasn't even a finished answer and it probably didn't make sense to people listening...luckily I've heard him answer that before so I KNEW what he was trying to say, but he didn't say it.

The people who are facing having their private property seized for a highway from Mexico to Canada understood what he was talking about---believe it!

Nothing like seeing someone in government who actually has respect for private property rights. It's rare these days.

You know who understands that? The Red states.

 

[coffeewithchess]

The people who are facing having their private property seized for a highway from Mexico to Canada understood what he was talking about---believe it!

Nothing like seeing someone in government who actually has respect for private property rights. It's rare these days.

Yea, but he needed to say, "I'm not allowed to pollute my neighbors yard with trash or my neighbors water with chemicals. People have property rights and they will be respected in my administration. The government won't abuse eminent domain and we won't allow citizens Constitutional rights to be trampled on for the profits of WallStreet" Something like that, but RP stopped his answer short and didn't finish it because he wanted to answer the conservative question, that he didn't get to answer...so he wasted both questions.

 

[Harry96]

Even trying to imagine how I'd feel about the debate if I were seeing all of these candidates for the first time, I have a hard time understanding what people see in McCain. Just that nervous laugh he seems to constantly give makes him seem emotionally unstable to me.

 

[JohnnyWrath]

Even trying to imagine how I'd feel about the debate if I were seeing all of these candidates for the first time, I have a hard time understanding what people see in McCain. Just that nervous laugh he seems to constantly give makes him seem emotionally unstable to me.

Doesn't take a degree to understand what his dumbass is attempting to do....he is so self centered and egotistic, that he can't let others talk without his opinion being heard even if silently. McCain is a fucking asshole just like Rudy was.

Romney does not do this like McCain and Rudy do/does, and I have always noted it...I give respect to Romney for that. Huck doesn't do it either. On the dem side....Hillary is the only one I have seen that does this....makes faces, smiles, laughs, etc, while others are talking.... basically the biggest assholes of both sides do this....it gets your photo on even while others are talking.

 

[bj72]

RP is missing a few opportunities. My husband is in the military, and was frusturated that while they focused on McCain's military service and how it would make for a good leader/President, that RP didn't pipe up and say "Hey, just want to remind everyone that there are 2 candidates with service records on this stage" or something to that affect. He did well, but needs to jump in and take control a bit more. Of course they aren't going to give him time. If the media can push through a Hillary vs McCain ticket...that would be their wet dream...a liberal Democrat vs a liberal Democrat. It's a win-win either way for them. They are trying to set that stage as much as possible. Huckabee's approach may not be the right one exactly to garner that time, but RP could be a bit more forceful with his approach.

That being said, I cannot imagine how difficult it is to be up there, listening to carefully crafted, slanted questions constantly being given to your opponents with a biased moderator that allows them to monopolize the time and cuts you off (thereby making you feel like you must rush thru a point, and sometimes stumbling in the process). Then to have to sit next to McCain's smug mug....I told my husband, I'd probably stand up, say I've had enough of all your s#$% and leave. Kuddos to RP for keeping a grin and stayin cool

 

[JohnnyWrath]

If the media can push through a Hillary vs McCain ticket...that would be their wet dream

Know what is really the worst part? It is the backers of these two candidates that know the least of about any issues....most of Hillarys supporters are completely clueless about pretty much everything accept that she is a girl and that they think she didn't vote to start the war....and those supporting McCain....fuck, I still don't even get that one...he is basically half dead and a retard on every issue. He gave out military secrets as a POW that got servicemen killed....then he locked all records from pretty much every POW so nobody could ever know what happened. He also made sure to name his famour dad while a POW....he got better treatment, and his captures actually called him the "crowned prince" even according to his own book.

I think McCain and Hillary are actually the two that missed the most votes during their terms out of the entire congress.....McCain missed like 55% of the votes while he served....#1 on missed votes only behind some guy who fell ill and didn't return?

It is sickening really how stupid the American public is....

I told my husband, I'd probably stand up, say I've had enough of all your s#$% and leave. Kuddos to RP for keeping a grin and stayin cool

I would go off and tell them to fuck themselves while I flipped over the desk, but thank god Ron has more cool than myself.

 

[ziggrl]

Ron Paul = foreign policy
John McCain = war

I think they both need to speak of other issues. McCain was asked by AC about the economy and he completely dismissed the question and started talking about war again.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

As a die hard Ron Paul fan, I was excited to hear him stress his typical points. As an objective observer, he lost badly, he did nothing to gain NEW voters, and that is the POINT of these debates.

 

[acptulsa]

Didn't get to see it. Pity, but I'm glad to hear Romney stopped McCain's momentum. Too bad Huckabee didn't do better. We need those three to be as even as possible to get the brokered convention we so desperately want.