Massachusetts Paul delegates voted for McCain??

[devil21]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/view.bg?articleid=1117016&srvc=rss

In a last-minute show of unity, Bay State Ron Paul supporters decided to throw their votes behind Sen. John McCain last night.

About a dozen Massachusetts supporters of the Texas Congressman and GOP upstart decided to back McCain only an hour before the delegates began to cast votes for the presidential pick.

“We decided the best course of action was to give a little to get a lot,” said Chris Blanc, a Cambridge resident who supports Paul. “The Massachusetts GOP really wanted to show unanimous support.”

Paul, shunned by the Republican convention because he wouldn’t endorse McCain, has been holding daily “counter rallies” in Minnesota where devoted supporters hiss when McCain’s name is uttered.

Rep. Paul Loscocco (R-Holliston) worked with Paul sympathizers to join the delegation so all 43 delegate votes would go to McCain.

“He really worked well behind the scenes to come to this agreement,” said McCain delegate Jack Roy.

McCain will make his acceptance speech tonight surrounded by those supportive delegates on a newly constructed stage. He plans to focus on how he plans to lead the country and highlight the differences between he and Democratic opponent Barack Obama, said Mark Salter, a McCain campaign official who helped write the speech.

McCain’s wife Cindy will also be speaking, as will Secretary of Homeland Security head Tom Ridge.

Delegates will also vote to nominate Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin as the party’s GOP vice presidential pick.

Can anybody verify this? Seems unlikely and pretty surprising to me.

 

[Zera]

What? By the way he says it, it's as if they're going to get something in return. What, an insignia of damnation?

 

[Sematary]

What? By the way he says it, it's as if they're going to get something in return. What, an insignia of damnation?

If they made a deal with the devil, then they screwed up. I don't care WHAT they think they got in return. RON PAUL would NEVER support that neocon bastard and his supporters who did should be ashamed of themselves. I expected fireworks from the Ron Paul delegates and we got back room deals? I'm disgusted.

 

[Badger Paul]

Look I'm as pissed as anyone about this but if they have arrangements or deals for something they've worked out, if they feel they've made progress in the party, that's fine. That's politics. We can't control what goes on in Massachusetts and at least in this case they treated the delegates like adults.

I just wish they let know what was going on. I wish everyone did.

 

[haaaylee]

give a little to get a lot?

what does that even mean.

unless getting McCain is a a lot ......

Ugh.

 

[Sematary]

Look I'm as pissed as anyone about this but if they have arrangements or deals for something they've worked out, if they feel they've made progress in the party, that's fine. That's politics. We can't control what goes on in Massachusetts and at least in this case they treated the delegates like adults.

I just wish they let know what was going on. I wish everyone did.

We CANNOT defeat the GOP by playing THEIR GAME. We need to get big enough to make them play OUR GAME.

 

[Roxi]

this makes what chris dyer told me about being let down by people they thought were on their side make a lot more sense

 

[Sematary]

this makes what chris dyer told me about being let down by people they thought were on their side make a lot more sense

Yep - but who's Chris dyer?

 

[Orgoonian]

I think it would be best to wait,and see what the people representing the Mass.delegation have to say.
Either way,they are the ones who worked for their positions,and therefore the right to make any deals they saw fit.

I thought our goal was to influence policy,and change from within.We cannot do that if we are constantly thumbing our nose at the power structure,and then raging that we have no voice.
As much as i hate to point out the obvious;In this day,and age,sometimes you have to play the game.
We have a much better chance for success if we can manage to infiltrate,and change hearts,and minds through example.

 

[Sematary]

I think it would be best to wait,and see what the people representing the Mass.delegation have to say.
Either way,they are the ones who worked for their positions,and therefore the right to make any deals they saw fit.

I thought our goal was to influence policy,and change from within.We cannot do that if we are constantly thumbing our nose at the power structure,and then raging that we have no voice.
As much as i hate to point out the obvious;In this day,and age,sometimes you have to play the game.
We have a much better chance for success if we can manage to infiltrate,and change hearts,and minds through example.

The ONLY deal that would have been acceptable would have been a speech by Dr. Paul at the RNC. At least THEN we would have heard the word CONSTITUTION!!

 

[Orgoonian]

The ONLY deal that would have been acceptable would have been a speech by Dr. Paul at the RNC. At least THEN we would have heard the word CONSTITUTION!!

I hear ya,i really do,and i wish that was the way it played out.
All i'm saying is that we have a long tough road ahead.We are armed with our ideals,and principals,and we know we are right.Heck,i bet we have a lot more sympathy in the G.O.P than we realize,but we will never get those people on our side if we continue to antagonize them.

 

[pauletteNV]

Making Deals

this makes what chris dyer told me about being let down by people they thought were on their side make a lot more sense

I have no doubt that Sue Lowden, et al, made some promises or something to the Ron Paul delegates which made it seem reasonable to vote for McCain...then, possibly reneged and this might very well have happened in other states. Seeing what the machine can do and now they can manipulate, I believe all of these steps were very well choreographed to get the desired result and appearance they wanted. Sometimes when you are there, it seems so reasonable...workable, and then bam you realize you feel into it.

 

[grizzums]

Nevadans did the same....


...hope they liked the "Rage" show -

I do think trying to form some sort of alliances is not a bad idea, but who can trust the party at this point?

I like Gov. Palin in some areas and not others but will not make pull that lever unless their is some sort of attempt to "reach out" by the ticket (of which I know is far fetched). I still cannot get myself to vote for Barr and am lukewarm to Baldwin.

If nothing else, I'm still writing the good Dr. in and walking away with a clean conscience.

 

[devil21]

Nevadans did the same....


...hope they liked the "Rage" show -

I do think trying to form some sort of alliances is not a bad idea, but who can trust the party at this point?

I like Gov. Palin in some areas and not others but will not make pull that lever unless their is some sort of attempt to "reach out" by the ticket (of which I know is far fetched). I still cannot get myself to vote for Barr and am lukewarm to Baldwin.

If nothing else, I'm still writing the good Dr. in and walking away with a clean conscience.

WTF? Why did people work so hard to be elected delegates and get their voices heard if they were just going to roll over to the party at the last minute just to make nicey nice? And I thought the RNC just ignored RP's Nevada delegates. Guess not. Im disappointed.

 

[Mortikhi]

Hmm, interesting.

I guess there's nothing more to say other than fuck you, you backstabbers.

 

[Sematary]

Nevadans did the same....


...hope they liked the "Rage" show -

I do think trying to form some sort of alliances is not a bad idea, but who can trust the party at this point?

I like Gov. Palin in some areas and not others but will not make pull that lever unless their is some sort of attempt to "reach out" by the ticket (of which I know is far fetched). I still cannot get myself to vote for Barr and am lukewarm to Baldwin.

If nothing else, I'm still writing the good Dr. in and walking away with a clean conscience.

The McCain ticket can NEVER have a Ron Paul supporter vote. They are neocons and will destroy our liberties.

 

[Sematary]

WTF? Why did people work so hard to be elected delegates and get their voices heard if they were just going to roll over to the party at the last minute just to make nicey nice? And I thought the RNC just ignored RP's Nevada delegates. Guess not. Im disappointed.

I'm pissed. Disappointed doesn't even BEGIN to describe what I feel about Paul supporters just giving up. So much for the revolution, huh?

 

[nate895]

The McCain ticket can NEVER have a Ron Paul supporter vote. They are neocons and will destroy our liberties.

I'd have voted for McCain at the convention if they would have let Ron Paul speak.

 

[Sematary]

I'd have voted for McCain at the convention if they would have let Ron Paul speak.

THAT, I agree (as I said in another post), would have been the ONLY acceptable reason to give up the vote for Dr. Paul. I feel betrayed.

 

[Mortikhi]

Mass delegates and how they voted. Dont know which ones were Paul supporters originally because they stabbed us in the back and went mccain

http://www.massgop.com/convention.aspx