Lookie What They Are Prepping For Tampa.

Revolution9

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Bring ear plugs for the sonic cannons, baking soda in a kerchief for the gas, hockey pads under the clothes wouldn't be a bad idea if the clothes were not shorts and a tshirt. The "other team" will be protesting there and is sure to catch our people up in their shenanigans.

So..how do you calm the local jackboots and whatcha gonna do with some foreign troops? I am inclined to give them furrinners the big middle finger myself.

Rev9
 
It was a conference, not a deployment. It was a demo. Cool too.

BTW, baking soda will help neutralize the pepper spray burning on skin, but it's not gonna help block it being breathed in.

Be safe.
 
There will be no dissent around Tampa.

Martial law for at least ten city blocks and anybody who steps out of line for a split second, arrested.

Where are the barbed wire enclosed "free speech zones"?

Ah, freedom.
 
Looks like there is a mayor and sheriff that needs to be voted out of office... hmmm


IF that occurs as a result of this OBVIOUS suppression of dissent, it will FOR SURE not happen before the Convention.

Not even MIRACLE THEORY applies here.
 
IF that occurs as a result of this OBVIOUS suppression of dissent, it will FOR SURE not happen before the Convention.

Not even MIRACLE THEORY applies here.

5 min from tampa, across the bay, Liberty Sheriff Everett Rice is taking over and will win big in the elections... Pinellas is a VERY Ron Paul county compared to the rest of FL though... Still, the RP people are getting fully infiltrated into Hillsborough (tampa) and will have a shot at replacing a lot of people. The mayor of Tampa is blue if i recall.
 
APRIL 2012

Calling us a cult is just the newest attack on us, because we are uncompromising in our principles, aka we won't vote for Flip Flopney if he's the nominee. All we have to do is dismiss it out of hand and argue the facts. Did they call people who quoted Franklin, or Jefferson, or Madison, or Paine, idol worshipers or a cult? It's ridiculous. That kind of attack will only work on us if we let it. It's the dumbest tactic they've tried yet. Please. Do you operate out of fear, because I certainly do not!



It is NOT new.

I do NOT return to discourage but to warn, please bear with me.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinio...-04-12/Marine-Stein-Facebook-Obama/54233850/1

Video at link, which I have not viewed.

The Constitution guarantees that Americans can say pretty much whatever they like, but it's also understood that many jobs come with strict — and perfectly legal — limits on speech.

Just ask Ozzie Guillen, the Miami Marlins' baseball manager whose praise for Fidel Castro got him suspended for five games after fans in the team's Little Havana neighborhood erupted in fury. Like many private employers, Guillen's bosses were free to discipline him for hurting the business.

Employment-related speech limits also apply to lawyers (who can't publicly disparage judges), reporters (no opinions about issues you're covering) and many others. In the public sector, the limits are especially strict for members of the active duty military.
The military rules, which date to the Civil War, are there for good reasons: to ensure that the military remains politically neutral and respects the civilian chain of command, and to maintain order and discipline in an organization where the willingness to follow orders is crucial.

USATODAY OPINION

About Editorials/Debate

Opinions expressed in USA TODAY's editorials are decided by its Editorial Board, a demographically and ideologically diverse group that is separate from USA TODAY's news staff.

Most editorials are accompanied by an opposing view — a unique USA TODAY feature that allows readers to reach conclusions based on both sides of an argument rather than just the Editorial Board's point of view.

Which brings us to the case of Gary Stein, a Marine sergeant at Camp Pendleton in California who is accused of repeatedly breaking these rules on Facebook, including his own page and one he started for a group called the Armed Forces Tea Party.

Stein frequently posts derogatory material about President Obama, including superimposing Obama's face on a movie poster that labels the commander in chief "jackass number one." He urges his Facebook followers (including nearly 29,000 on the Armed Forces Tea Party page) to vote against Obama. Most significant, during a heated online debate over whether U.S. servicemembers could be tried in Afghanistan for burning the Quran, he said, "As an active duty Marine, I say screw Obama and I will not follow any orders from him … I will not salute him … Obama is the … enemy." Stein later modified that statement to say he would refuse to obey any "unlawful" order from Obama.

If Stein were a civilian, his views on the commander in chief wouldn't be a problem. But he's not, and when he enlisted, he agreed to live by the rules. Instead, he chose not just to cross the line but to gallop past it.

A Defense Department directive explicitly bars active-duty personnel from publishing "partisan political articles, letters or endorsements signed or written by the member that (solicit) votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate or cause." Stein's "screw Obama" rant also ran afoul of Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which bars behavior that harms the "good order and discipline in the armed forces" or brings "discredit on the armed forces."

Last week, a Marine administrative panel recommended that Stein receive an "other than honorable" discharge, and the decision now rests with Stein's commanding general. Stein and his lawyers argue that he was within his free speech rights, and that the military's rules are vague enough to be unconstitutional.

In fact, the rules are complex. Active-duty servicemembers are allowed to put political bumper stickers on private vehicles and send letters to the editor, as long as they state that their views are their own, and they don't advocate voting for or against a candidate. The rules were written before the explosion of social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter, and they're overdue for an update. But any reasonable definition of "publish" includes publicly posting an opinion where some 29,000 followers can read it.

The military can't, and shouldn't, prohibit servicemembers from spouting off in the relative privacy of the barracks. Such grousing dates to the Revolutionary War. But that's different from publicly posting insubordinate comments for all the world to see — a principle that the vast majority of servicemembers understand.



VETERANS are planning to march separately and first, is that correct? WHY?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...page2&highlight=Ron+Festival+Tampa+Clean+Zone
 
5 min from tampa, across the bay, Liberty Sheriff Everett Rice is taking over and will win big in the elections... Pinellas is a VERY Ron Paul county compared to the rest of FL though... Still, the RP people are getting fully infiltrated into Hillsborough (tampa) and will have a shot at replacing a lot of people. The mayor of Tampa is blue if i recall.


Excellent.

HOWEVER,

IF that occurs as a result of this OBVIOUS suppression of dissent, it will FOR SURE not happen before the Convention.

Not even MIRACLE THEORY applies here.
 
APRIL 2012


Cheapseats, we're having a festival, we're not protesting anything. The clean zone ordinance has to do with demonstrations and protests, etc.

The Veterans are marching AFTER our event. They are a separate event. The clean zone may apply to them.




Deborah K,

I am not trying to undermine your festival.

I am PASSING ALONG PERTINENT INFORMATION to people who are NOT likely to be in a festive mood, come August. I anticipate there BEING some. You?

Do you anticipate NO arrests, for ANYTHING . . . not even for, say, Public Drunkenness or violation of some unknown "law"?



http://fairgrounds.wtsp.com/news/news/112516-mayor-wants-zone-control-gop-convention-protesters

Mayor wants zone to control GOP Convention protesters

Tampa, Florida -- A large Clean Zone would encompass several neighborhoods during the 2012 Republican National Convention and impose special restrictions to control convention protests.

August's Republican National Convention is expected to bring flocks of protesters to Downtown Tampa.

Next week, Mayor Bob Buckhorn will ask City Council to outline a large area of the city as a so-called "Clean Zone."

During the GOP Convention, inside the Clean Zone, those protesters will face a slew of special restrictions.

The proposed area stretches from West Tampa and Hyde Park all the way to Ybor City. Here are the zone's proposed boundaries:

West - Rome Avenue
North - Columbus Drive
East - 22nd Street, Adamo Drive, and Channelside Drive
South - Hillsborough Bay

Davis Islands and Harbour Island are included in the zone, while Port of Tampa facilities are outside the area.

The Tampa Bay Times Forum is more or less right in the middle, and it is the site of the 2012 Republican National Convention.

Folks inside the Clean Zone will have to get a $50 Public Gathering Permit for any event with more than 50 people.

Here's a list of some of the things that will be forbidden in the Clean Zone during the time of the convention:

Masks
Ropes, chains, and locks
Glass bottles
Gas masks
Barricades
Camping
Public urination
Rappelling

Mayor Buckhorn plans to present the ordinance to City Council a week from tomorrow.

To see them for yourself, here's a link to the Tampa GOP Convention Clean Zone map and the City of Tampa proposed Republican National Convention Clean Zone ordinance.


Firearms ARE allowed, however, including Concealed Carry . . . to which Rachel Maddow devoted an entire acidic segment.

Permissible concealed-carry firearms establishes probable cause to strip-search all Arrestees.

Dennis Hopper for Ameriprise: YOU GOTTA HAVE A PLAN.

Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump: And that's all I have to say about that.
 
APRIL 2012


As you stated in the OP, you believe this event could potentially influence the unbound convention delegates. What are your contingency plans for the event if Romney secures the nomination by winning enough bound delegates prior to the RNC, or what are your plans if Paul drops out, suspends or goes 3rd party?


This implies that our movement is over just because Romney gets annointed by the RNC.



We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. The festival is going on, and if it goes according to plan, then people who aren't in the movement now will get exposure to it by attending to see their favorite celebrities, musicians, comedians, etc.



I don't understand anyone questioning this event or doubting the intentions of the organizers. Deb has been ACTIVELY involved since day one of these forums and has influenced and motivated tons of people to the cause of Liberty. Any negativity on this thread leads people to question THOSE intentions, not those who are organizing/supporting this event.

There are folks around here who post absolutely nothing positive to forward our cause. They question everything others do, while subtly making suggestions that many feel are COUNTER productive to our activities. Why?
 
"Clean Zone".

Orwellian double speak, there will be nothing clean about what these people do to creat their impression of clean for the media.

"Masks
Ropes, chains, and locks
Glass bottles
Gas masks
Barricades
Camping
Public urination
Rappelling"

Rappelling?
 
APRIL 2012


http://www.tampabay.com/news/localg...zone-protest-rules-for-gop-convention/1223612

Tampa council delays vote on 'Clean Zone' protest rules for GOP convention

By Richard Danielson, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Friday, April 6, 2012


TAMPA — Swamped by complaints, the City Council put off voting Thursday on a proposed set of ground rules for protests outside the Republican National Convention.

The two-week delay is meant to give officials time to address concerns raised by civil libertarians, Occupy Tampa, protest groups — and the council itself.

"Completely unworkable," council member Mary Mulhern said of the proposed "Clean Zone" ordinance. "We need to go back to the drawing board."

Chief among the council's concerns was that the Clean Zone, where many types of potential weapons would be banned, would be too big.

Council member Frank Reddick said there's no reason to extend it into the tough neighborhoods of his East Tampa district, as is proposed.

"No one is going to go north of I-4 unless they're lost," he said, "and when they find where they're at, they're going to be looking for the police."

With up to 15,000 protesters expected to come to Tampa for the Aug. 27-30 convention, the city wants to create a designated area close enough for delegates to see and hear the protesters.

That protest area would be inside the much larger Clean Zone, which would cover downtown, Ybor City, the Channel District, Davis Islands, Harbour Island and parts of Hyde Park, Tampa Heights and West Tampa.

The city would establish permit procedures for parades and demonstrations in the Clean Zone. As originally proposed, it also would set a 60-minute time limit on parades and rallies there.

The city also would ban virtually anything that could be used as a weapon in the Clean Zone, with one key exception.

It turns out Tampa does not have the authority to stop gun owners with concealed weapons permits from bringing their guns into the protest areas.

That's because the Legislature passed a 2011 law prohibiting cities from enacting their own rules on guns, and fining them if they do. As a result, the city could ban water guns in the Clean Zone, but not real ones.

The irony is becoming a national joke.

"Good news for gun lovers this August!" MSNBC host Rachel Maddow told viewers Wednesday night. "It appears that you and your concealed handgun may find a way to have a grand old party together in Tampa."

City Attorney Jim Shimberg Jr. said he wishes the city could have included guns on the list of banned items, "but we can't."

"I don't want us in Tampa to be the scriptwriters for the Comedy Channel, but that's exactly where the state Legislature has placed us," council member Yvonne Yolie Capin said.

Closer to home, local critics said the proposed ordinance is unrealistic, unworkable and unconstitutional.

"Not ready for prime time," American Civil Liberties Union of Florida president Michael E. Pheneger said "We believe it places many unreasonable burdens on the right of people to speak, peaceably assemble and protest. Some elements are just simply confusing."

The 60-minute time limit, especially, is "unprecedented, unworkable and constitutionally suspect," he said.

More vocal critics called the rules "Orwellian" and "draconian," and said the city is over-reacting out of fear.

"There's going to be no violence whatsoever coming from our side," said Dave Schneider, statewide director of Fight Back Florida, which he said wants to hold a peaceful, family-friendly march.

Protesters also said the name "Clean Zone" is insulting, suggesting they're dirty.

No offense was meant, Shimberg said. The city has used the term Clean Zone in similar temporary ordinances adopted when Tampa has hosted the Super Bowl. It simply used it again.

"We can change the name," Shimberg told the council. "We're working absolutely in good faith. We're not trying to take away anyone's rights."

Everything on the list of banned items had been used to commit crimes at previous conventions, officials said.

Assistant Police Chief Marc Hamlin said the size of the Clean Zone was based on mapping where the "event energy" took place at past conventions and similar events, and laying that over a map of Tampa.

Officials have said one of the reasons for proposing a 60-minute time limit was because police officers should not work in steamy August heat for more than an hour without a break.

But Hamlin said the heat will be a factor for demonstrators, too. Most officers won't be going around in body armor, he said. Some, like a planned 200-officer bike patrol, will wear uniforms of shorts and polo shirts. On the parade routes, officers will dress as they do for Gasparilla.

"The uniform of the day will be the short-sleeved uniform," he said.

He hopes most officers' body armor stays in the duffel bag. "If people come out there in riot gear, that means that bad things have already happened."


copyright 2012 Tampa Bay Times


I get a kick outta this: "One of the reasons for proposing a 60-minute time limit was because police officers should not work in steamy August heat for more than an hour without a break."

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...page4&highlight=Ron+Festival+Tampa+Clean+Zone



Hah! It appears the city council opened up a can of worms. LOL!
 
It was a conference, not a deployment. It was a demo. Cool too.

BTW, baking soda will help neutralize the pepper spray burning on skin, but it's not gonna help block it being breathed in.

Be safe.

Tennis rackets will hit the cans of tear gas back at the police too.
 
5 min from tampa, across the bay, Liberty Sheriff Everett Rice is taking over and will win big in the elections... Pinellas is a VERY Ron Paul county compared to the rest of FL though... Still, the RP people are getting fully infiltrated into Hillsborough (tampa) and will have a shot at replacing a lot of people. The mayor of Tampa is blue if i recall.
Wow! I had no idea Rice was pro-liberty. Your right, Pinellas is very pro-Paul. Lots of Paul bumper stickers.
 
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Tennis rackets will hit the cans of tear gas back at the police too.

Tear gas canisters are a bit heavier than a tennis ball. You'd have to catch it in the air too. I'm thinking that's not a good plan, especially since they have masks.

I would not try picking up the canister and serving it back to them, they can get rather hot.
 
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