Libertarians to the Left, Libertarians to the Right

[otherone]

Screw you guys. Lol. Joking/not joking.
Somehow, Ron Paul's unherdable cats have arrived here, at this juncture, October, 2025.

On one side, Trumpish-somewhat-supporters, motivated by “culture”, crime, and the defense of borders and People of Pallor. The Buchananites. Fascists and Trump apologists. Haters of Media and the government.

On the other, kumbaya, Freedom is for Everyone! Open-borders, anti-Israel, Trump haters; who refuse to suffer a strange bedfellow, believing that anything that delays governmental collapse will delay the awaited anarcho-libertarianism that is sure to follow.

I'm in the former camp. Liberals are off the rails,an ideology that projects “consensus reality”,which crystallizes into blurring biological facts. Secular Humanism's logical outcome. Western civilization's self-flagellation will leadto self-immolation. The “migrant” crises is the chicken coming home to roost.

Third world nations have NO concept of individual Rights; the notion is a purely western idea.

If libertarianism is to progress, it will have to be through conservatism.

 

[acptulsa]

If libertarianism is to progress, it will have to be through conservatism.

Hard to do when conservatism is dead, replaced by a combination of zionism and private-public partnerships designed to make cyborgs of us or kill us trying.

 

[otherone]

Agreed, and far worse on the horizon. The techno-state will arrive, regardless of party. Trump is no friend to libertarians...but if anything of this country is salvageable, it's not coming from the other side. Trust in the MsM is at an all-time low, which, IMO is a good thing.

 

[PAF]

I'm in the former camp. Liberals are off the rails,an ideology that projects “consensus reality”,which crystallizes into blurring biological facts. Secular Humanism's logical outcome. Western civilization's self-flagellation will leadto self-immolation. The “migrant” crises is the chicken coming home to roost.

You are confusing Classical Liberals with modern liberals. Huuuuge difference.

You are also of the mistaken belief that people, like products, should be "regulated" by politicians/crony corporatists/central governments. You believe that human beings [immigrants and/or other] do not have the right to due process or the right of self-determination. Which will ultimately lead to "Identification for All" in order to differentiate "them from us".

You believe that to be "legal", one should be a product or slave which is registered/documented with a central authority, and thereby pay taxes in order to do it.

You are too concerned with "other people", rather than to mind your own business, and instead work toward a smaller state, decentralized solutions and the elimination of taxes.

If libertarianism is to progress, it will have to be through conservatism.

The Violence of Conservatism | Mises Institute

Ads like this one make me shudder, mainly because I once thought of myself as a conservative (for both good and bad reasons).

mises.org

 

[otherone]

You are confusing Classical Liberals with modern liberals. Huuuuge difference.

You are also of the mistaken belief that people, like products, should be "regulated" by politicians/crony corporatists/central governments. You believe that human beings [immigrants and/or other] do not have the right to due process or the right of self-determination. Which will ultimately lead to "Identification for All" in order to differentiate "them from us".

You believe that to be "legal", one should be a product or slave which is registered/documented with a central authority, and thereby pay taxes in order to do it.

You are too concerned with "other people", rather than to mind your own business, and instead work toward a smaller state, decentralized solutions and the elimination of taxes.

The Violence of Conservatism | Mises Institute

Ads like this one make me shudder, mainly because I once thought of myself as a conservative (for both good and bad reasons).

mises.org

LOL. PAF, the local crusading Pedant. I could have written that response and signed your name. Pointless Ideology is for boys whose testicles haven't descended. Or gurls.

 

[PAF]

LOL. PAF, the local crusading Pedant. I could have written that response and signed your name. Pointless Ideology is for boys whose testicles haven't descended. Or gurls.

Is this the "Ron Paul" Forums, or Republican Central?

@CaptUSA gave you an upvote! Like government, friends and popularity rule!

 

[TheTexan]

I don't like government very much but I still like government more than I like friends

 

[PAF]

I don't like government very much but I still like government more than I like friends

How do you feel when friends and government PPP combine?

 

[CaptUSA]

Is this the "Ron Paul" Forums, or Republican Central?

@CaptUSA gave you an upvote! Like government, friends and popularity rule!

Another PAF strawman...

Tired.

 

[TheTexan]

How do you feel when friends and government PPP combine?

Depends. If it's a stock that I own then I'm OK with it.

Otherwise it's an unacceptable affront to liberty

 

[PAF]

Another PAF strawman...

Tired.

Instead of a good debate, that's typically all you got, so... go toss your football around in your front yard

 

[PAF]

Depends. If it's a stock that I own then I'm OK with it.

Otherwise it's an unacceptable affront to liberty

I forgot to check Palantir this morning. I'll wait til Monday since it's the weekend.

 

[nikcers]

 

[otherone]

Instead of a good debate, that's typically all you got, so... go toss your football around in your front yard

ohmergawd! Pot! Kettle!

 

[PAF]

ohmergawd! Pot! Kettle!

How so? I provided my insights along with sourced articles by Mises, the only thing I'm getting from you two is: Left is Evil! Libertarians = Left is Evil! Therefore vote conservative/republican!

 

[jmdrake]

Screw you guys. Lol. Joking/not joking.
Somehow, Ron Paul's unherdable cats have arrived here, at this juncture, October, 2025.

On one side, Trumpish-somewhat-supporters, motivated by “culture”, crime, and the defense of borders and People of Pallor. The Buchananites. Fascists and Trump apologists. Haters of Media and the government.

On the other, kumbaya, Freedom is for Everyone! Open-borders, anti-Israel, Trump haters; who refuse to suffer a strange bedfellow, believing that anything that delays governmental collapse will delay the awaited anarcho-libertarianism that is sure to follow.

I'm in the former camp. Liberals are off the rails,an ideology that projects “consensus reality”,which crystallizes into blurring biological facts. Secular Humanism's logical outcome. Western civilization's self-flagellation will leadto self-immolation. The “migrant” crises is the chicken coming home to roost.

Third world nations have NO concept of individual Rights; the notion is a purely western idea.

If libertarianism is to progress, it will have to be through conservatism ethno-national socialism.

FIFY. What Trump is doing is actually pushing the country towards collapse in the name of saving it. If you can't see that then you can't see period. If all Trump was doing was shutting down the borders that would 1 thing. But instead he is:

1) Spending like a drunken sailor.

2) Talking about bringing in 600,000 Chinese university students.

3) Promising amnesty for illegal immigrants who work in farm, hotel and manufacturing industries.

4) Needlessly pushing racial divides by doing things like lying about Haitians eating cats.

5) Puting the most incompetent people possible in positions of power.

6) Putting masked federal agents on the street.

7) Putting troops on the street.

8) Gutting farmers.

9) Trying to take out Thomas Massie and Rand Paul.

10) Covering up for pedophiles by suppressing release of the Epstein documents he already has in his hands and moving Ghilaine Maxwell to a cushy "club fed" prison in exchange for her weaksauce "Nobody was helping Jeff rape little girls" testimony that everybody knows is a lie.

So spare me the "You're trying to save the country" crap because...well you're probably not.[/strike]

 

[jmdrake]

Another PAF strawman...

Tired.

LOL. The OP post is one big strawman.

 

[PAF]

LOL. The OP post is one big strawman.

When I was campaigning for Ron Paul back in '12 I went down to one of the republican gatherings. A well known activist [Dennis] had a Masters Degree in history and taught 11th and 12th grade high school. I was talking about policies and why I supported Ron Paul, Dennis told me that he didn't care about any of that and he was only supporting Mitt Romney. I said something to the effect that Romney supported Paul Tsongas and he wasn't good for the country. Dennis said, and I quote: "The only thing I see is Republican versus Democrat and I don't care about anything else". Upon departing I told him it'd be best if he quit teaching those poor impressionable students. It didn't matter to me, he didn't understand the delegate process so I literally cleaned house. Not that that mattered either as I learned the hard way when I got to the RNC.

 

[otherone]

FIFY. What Trump is doing is actually pushing the country towards collapse in the name of saving it. If you can't see that then you can't see period. If all Trump was doing was shutting down the borders that would 1 thing. But instead he is:

1) Spending like a drunken sailor.

2) Talking about bringing in 600,000 Chinese university students.

3) Promising amnesty for illegal immigrants who work in farm, hotel and manufacturing industries.

4) Needlessly pushing racial divides by doing things like lying about Haitians eating cats.

5) Puting the most incompetent people possible in positions of power.

6) Putting masked federal agents on the street.

7) Putting troops on the street.

8) Gutting farmers.

9) Trying to take out Thomas Massie and Rand Paul.

10) Covering up for pedophiles by suppressing release of the Epstein documents he already has in his hands and moving Ghilaine Maxwell to a cushy "club fed" prison in exchange for her weaksauce "Nobody was helping Jeff rape little girls" testimony that everybody knows is a lie.

So spare me the "You're trying to save the country" crap because...well you're probably not.[/strike]

You're reading comprehension is predictably poor. Let me be blunt, for you and PAF: Does libertarianism germinate in the DUNG OF "CONSERVATISM", OR LIBERALISM (for my sweet pedant) COMMUNISM?

 

[PAF]

You're reading comprehension is predictably poor. Let me be blunt, for you and PAF: Does libertarianism germinate in the DUNG OF "CONSERVATISM", OR LIBERALISM (for my sweet pedant) PROGRESSIVISM?

It depends; are you trying to redefine Classical Liberalism ie; true libertarian like pro-welfare PPP Peter Thiel?