libertarians on bullying

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[libertygrl]

I think it should be up to the school and the parents - NOT the government to get involved.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I have meeting at my school about bullying. May anyone help me on this question please!

What should be the proper role of the government on bullying such as kids fighting in school or being picked on?

My idea is that a kid can fight only on self defence (I can only think of the 2nd amendment but it only talks about the rigtht to bear arms for defence), but what about if the kid can't fight and he is still being physically harrased?

Bullying really helped me a lot back when I went to school. To use just one example, my mother taught me as a toddler to pull my pants and underwear all the way to the ground when taking a tinkle. Well, it always puzzled me in the first grade the way the older boys would always laugh when I took a tinkle at the urinal in this way. It wasn't until I was a senior in high school when a bigger boy finally came over with a doubled up fist that I realized how improper my tinkling was.

I blame all the bullying on mothers.

 

[gwax23]

My biggest problem with bullying when I was a kid (And I was bullied a lot) is most schools policy towards bullying.

To put it simply schools dont give a shit about the bullied regardless of what bullshit ad campaign they have going on to score some more bucks which does little to solve the real problem of bullying. And yes its a real issue, not something the government should or could solve but an issue nonetheless.

In most of the schools I attended (...and I went to a few because we moved around alot) and im sure this is the same with many others. The school had a policy of punishing both the bully and the victim whenever the victim eventually stood up for him or herself. Its a bullshit policy in which the schools claim they want to be fair when in reality they punish people for standing up for themselves and embed at a young age the notion that you need to be dependent on the school and its faculty for protection and security rather than stand up for yourself.

It also has the double positive for the school that it prevents them from doing... oh idk maybe 5 minutes worth of research into the happenings and goings on in their student body to determine the root cause of a fight between a bully and a victim. Most of the time its obvious who the victim is but the schools rarely care. Especially in small towns where many times the bully has some personal relationship or connection with many teachers either directly or through parents and older siblings which helps them get away with a lot at the expense of the bullied.

The only way to deal with bullying is not to punish kids for defending themselves but rather actively encourage it.

When you put the BULLY and the VICTIM on the same level in terms of punishment you are setting the worst example possible.

That needs to stop. Will it end bullying? No, but anyone who suggests anything will is a liar.

This simple cost free policy decision would do far more than any bullshit class, lecture, poster, advert, or any other form of wasted tax payer funds ever would do.

 

[sailingaway]

at some level the government should stop violence (the local govt). But children and schools should be within the ambit of family and community until it gets unreasonably extreme.

I agree the victim shouldn't be 'punished too' if they can find the right of it.

 

[dannno]

My biggest problem with bullying when I was a kid (And I was bullied a lot) is most schools policy towards bullying.

To put it simply schools dont give a shit about the bullied regardless of what bullshit ad campaign they have going on to score some more bucks which does little to solve the real problem of bullying. And yes its a real issue, not something the government should or could solve but an issue nonetheless.

In most of the schools I attended (...and I went to a few because we moved around alot) and im sure this is the same with many others. The school had a policy of punishing both the bully and the victim whenever the victim eventually stood up for him or herself. Its a bullshit policy in which the schools claim they want to be fair when in reality they punish people for standing up for themselves and embed at a young age the notion that you need to be dependent on the school and its faculty for protection and security rather than stand up for yourself.

It also has the double positive for the school that it prevents them from doing... oh idk maybe 5 minutes worth of research into the happenings and goings on in their student body to determine the root cause of a fight between a bully and a victim. Most of the time its obvious who the victim is but the schools rarely care. Especially in small towns where many times the bully has some personal relationship or connection with many teachers either directly or through parents and older siblings which helps them get away with a lot at the expense of the bullied.

The only way to deal with bullying is not to punish kids for defending themselves but rather actively encourage it.

When you put the BULLY and the VICTIM on the same level in terms of punishment you are setting the worst example possible.

That needs to stop. Will it end bullying? No, but anyone who suggests anything will is a liar.

This simple cost free policy decision would do far more than any bullshit class, lecture, poster, advert, or any other form of wasted tax payer funds ever would do.

This is good but probably won't go over well in the meeting.

 

[Expatriate]

Well, to go to the root of the problem the state could stop bullying parents into sending their kids to school, and they could stop bullying the rest of us into paying for those schools where children bully each other.

That probably won't fly at a school meeting though, so instead I would recommend bringing up some of the points "gwax23" mentioned above. The policy of punishing both the bully and the victim is surprisingly widespread.

 

[DamianTV]

Lets first make sure we understand what the TRUE problem is. The real source of Bullying in schools is not from other students, but the very Educational System itself. Teachers are the Real Bullies, and they dont even know it.

Summarized: Residual Emotional Dependancy on the Approval of Educators.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Well, to go to the root of the problem the state could stop bullying parents into sending their kids to school, and they could stop bullying the rest of us into paying for those schools where children bully each other.

That probably won't fly at a school meeting though, so instead I would recommend bringing up some of the points "gwax23" mentioned above. The policy of punishing both the bully and the victim is surprisingly widespread.

Reduce reduce reduce. Our Founders established a new nation on a natural law. So, what is the natural law concerning education? Okay, on one of the spectrum concerning the king, a teacher trained him to take his rightful position after the passing away of his parents. Back when he was a prince, the king was trained how a ruler should best deal with his subjects in order to maintain his kingdom. On the other end of the spectrum concerning the prostitute, Socrates in the Platonic dialogue entitled "Meno" showed how the mind of a slave child could advance (learn) if a serving mid-wife philosopher were willing to serve them.
This is the new order. It has been ushering in for thousands of years. Our Founders did a great job of cornering the king into accepting this new order, but even in the United States tyranny has managed to wiggle its way out by compromising.
So, what is a natural law concerning education. What is both in the best interest of the disadvantaged and a detriment to tyranny? Concerning the prostitute and her well being, "all children should be raised as problem solvers."

 

[Carehn]

The libertarian answer is simple. Ever child shall be given a shock collar when they turn 5. The shock collar will monitor tomfoolery and give a shock to those who engage in such thoughts.

 

[Carehn]

It all has to do with parenting. The school should be privatized to weed out the worthless employes this way better workers will be on hand to stop such activity's. But also i want you to bring up the subject of ball growing. Most 'bullying' is harmless and helps people grow and shit. So it must be said. The school must take action on educating kids and parents on how to grow some balls.

 

[sailingaway]

It all has to do with parenting. The school should be privatized to weed out the worthless employes this way better workers will be on hand to stop such activity's. But also i want you to bring up the subject of ball growing. Most 'bullying' is harmless and helps people grow and shit. So it must be said. The school must take action on educating kids and parents on how to grow some balls.

There is bullying, and then there is bullying. But it is like pornography, you have to see it to know it....

The thing is parents and communities should be able to create the policies that suit them best with teachers and schools responsible to the parents.

 

[Carehn]

There is bullying, and then there is bullying. But it is like pornography, you have to see it to know it....

The thing is parents and communities should be able to create the policies that suit them best with teachers and schools responsible to the parents.

Agreed and they would be able to do that so well if only they would privatize all the schools. So if I was the bully does that make me like a porn star?

 

[emazur]

In a free market education system, if my child was bullied, I'd demand the school take care of the problem immediately or they won't see another red cent of my tuition money and I'd threaten to raise hell about it to every local newspaper, tv consumer reporter, and news based radio station in the area. I'd threaten to post negative reviews of the school on the internet, and I might just print them out and post them door to door or windshield to windshield throughout the area. In short, I'd put "the fear of god" into the school to get their shit together.

In government education system, you might be permitted to file some report and no teacher will intervene if they witness bullying in fear of not wanting to put their ass on the line if a mistake was made, and you have to pay the fuckers at the school with your tax dollars whether you like it or not. So your kid gets the school bully and YOU get the government bully who threatens to take away your lunch money or else it'll "come get you" and stuff you unto somewhere much worse than a school locker where you're all the more likely to encounter even more bullies, except they're the kind that stabs people, rapes, destroys property, and steals your stuff. Which doesn't make them all that much different from the government bullies, does it?

 

[bolil]

In a free market education system, if my child was bullied, I'd demand the school take care of the problem immediately or they won't see another red cent of my tuition money and I'd threaten to raise hell about it to every local newspaper, tv consumer reporter, and news based radio station in the area. I'd threaten to post negative reviews of the school on the internet, and I might just print them out and post them door to door or windshield to windshield throughout the area. In short, I'd put "the fear of god" into the school to get their shit together.

In government education system, you might be permitted to file some report and no teacher will intervene if they witness bullying in fear of not wanting to put their ass on the line if a mistake was made, and you have to pay the fuckers at the school with your tax dollars whether you like it or not. So your kid gets the school bully and YOU get the government bully who threatens to take away your lunch money or else it'll "come get you" and stuff you unto somewhere much worse than a school locker where you're all the more likely to encounter even more bullies, except they're the kind that stabs people, rapes, destroys property, and steals your stuff. Which doesn't make them all that much different from the government bullies, does it?

You would humiliate your kid with such course. Better to get the kid some boxing lessons and let him tune up the bully himself. If the kid is pacifist, then the kid is probably wise enough to not let it bother the kid any.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

There is bullying, and then there is bullying. But it is like pornography, you have to see it to know it....

The thing is parents and communities should be able to create the policies that suit them best with teachers and schools responsible to the parents.

Did you ever here the parable about the prostitute and how, after learning how she represented the disadvantaged and how her pimp represented tyranny, she immediately changed her ways because of the humiliating condition of the people?

 

[Danke]

Parents should teach their children to form militias.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

this

I think it should be up to the school and the parents - NOT the government to get involved.

 

[Kodaddy]

The term "bullying" has gotten out of hand. My sister-in-law told me my nephew was being bullied at school. I asked what was the problem and she said kids were calling him "booger eater" (3rd grade). I said I didn't understand, because I've witnessed him eating his boogers. She informed me that if someone says something to you that you don't like, that's bullying. That little booger eater is going to have a tough time...

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Parents should teach their children to form militias.

Reduce. As the U.S. military was an official entity formed to protect the government from the enemy, with the Federal government at the time always dynamic and in a state of fleeing, in contrast, the militia was formed to protect the people from tyranny, with them being fixed in their homes. Basically, the people were left defenseless as two pimps fought to rule over them. Today, we have a choice whether to join the official military of the government. As I tell my sons, we are born into the militia. When we become decommissioned from the military, we revert back into becoming valuable members of the militia. This has very special meaning for me. As husbands, we are official rulers of the ten commandments; whereas, as brothers in the militia, we are unofficial slaves to loving our neighbors as ourselves. With the least troubled neighbor out there being that wretch who has to live on the street, this means we have to take the offensive. This is why we aren't here to party, but to fight against tyranny.