KS Liberty Candidate Official Announcement!!

[Bastiat's The Law]

LP is a waste of time. I'm a liberterian and it represents my beliefs, but 2-3% is a complete waste of time and money. The only way to be viable in an election is to run in the GOP. Third parties in America are a sad joke.

The faster people realize this the faster we can get in place to have impact. I'm so grateful Ron Paul helped enlighten so many people as to what works and what doesn't.

 

[Krzysztof Lesiak]

Agreed. I guess some people think that saying "I am the state chairman of the American Freedom Party" is a good way to pick up chicks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Freedom_Party

American Freedom Party
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American Freedom Party
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Chairman William D. Johnson
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Headquarters Westminster, California
Ideology Paleoconservatism,
White supremacism,
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Political position Fiscal: Third Position
Social: Far-right
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The American Freedom Party (formerly the American Third Position Party or A3P) is a third positionist American political party which promotes white supremacy.[1][2][3][4] It was officially launched in January 2010[5] (although in November 2009 it filed papers to get on a ballot in California) partially to channel the right-wing populist resentment engendered by the financial crisis of 2007–2010 and the policies of the Obama administration.[6]
Contents

 

1 Leadership
2 Political activities
3 2012 hacked website incident
4 2012 presidential election
5 Electoral participation
6 Name change
7 References
8 External links
Leadership[edit source | editbeta]

The party chairman is Los Angeles attorney William Daniel Johnson. Long Beach State University professor of psychology Kevin B. MacDonald has been named one of the eight party Directors, and is also a principal contributor to The Occidental Quarterly[7][8] where he has contributed articles claiming that a suite of traits that he attributes to Jews, including higher-than-average verbal intelligence and ethnocentricism, have eugenically and culturally evolved to enhance the ability of Jews to out-compete non-Jews for resources. MacDonald believes this advantage has been used by a number of Jews to advance Jewish group interests and end potential antisemitism by either deliberately or inadvertently undermining the power and self-confidence of the European-derived majorities in the Western world.[9][10][11] A 2006 article in The Nation magazine reports that MacDonald's 2004 Understanding Jewish Influence: A Study in Ethnic Activism "has turned MacDonald into a celebrity within white nationalist and neo-Nazi circles."[12] Writing in the Journal of Church and State, Professor George Michael noted that MacDonald's work "has been well received by those in the racialist right, as it amounts to a theoretically sophisticated justification for anti-Semitism," and that on the far right MacDonald "has attained a near reverential status and is generally considered beyond reproach".[13]
Political activities[edit source | editbeta]



William Johnson, Chairman of A3P, speaking at a Tea Party rally.
New Hampshire state party chairman Ryan Murdough ran in the Republican Party of New Hampshire primary for a seat representing the Eighth District of the Grafton County delegation to the New Hampshire House of Representatives,[14] but he was refused support by the Republican party, which called him a "despicable racist".[15] He placed fifth out of five candidates in the Republican primary, garnering 296 votes (11%).[16] Murdough was the National Political Director for the National Socialist American Labor Party, a party which espouses Nazi beliefs.[17]
In November 2009 the American Third Position Party filed papers with the office of the California Secretary of State, hoping to become a fully ballot-accessible party by the time of the June 2010 California primary election.[18] However, the party failed to qualify and did not get on the 2010 ballot in California[19] or any other state.[20] The party received enough signatures to get Harry Bertram on the ballot for the 2011 West Virginia gubernatorial special election.[21] Bertram's campaign ran a television ad emphasizing his desire to advance the interests of white Americans. Bertram was soundly defeated in the election, coming in last place out of 5 candidates on the ballot and netting only 1,111 votes; less than 0.4 percent of the total.[22]
2012 hacked website incident[edit source | editbeta]

In early February 2012 members of the hacker group Anonymous released statements claiming to have hacked the website of the party as well as various forums and email accounts connected with the group, including that of Jamie Kelso, the websites operator.[23][24] The front page of the party's website was defaced with #OpBlitzkrieg (the designated name used in January 2012 for a series of Anonymous cyber-attacks on German Neo-Nazi websites) and private information about the organization's members was released.[25]

 

Think you might have been thinking of the wrong guys

Hot chicks dig politics? Hmm

 

[Roxi]

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/07/4395273/libertarian-files-for-kan-governors.html

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Small pond makes the fish look bigger.

"It is all vanity."

 

[fr33]

Well this lady has every reason to hate RPF. The thread has a one star rating and most responders have told her she's wasting her time.

The fact is, she wouldn't be elected anyways. Only assholes feel the need to point it out. I guess Ron Paul was wasting his time in '88. No he wasn't. He spoke the truth even though neither party wanted to hear it.

Those that feel the need to say LP candidates are a waste are just assholes that claim our time, money, and allegiance to the GOP (who is complicit and largely responsible for the assault on liberty). You don't own my time. My time spent on the LP is not wasted because it's time I certainly would not have spent on the GOP. The GOP is the party of the patriot act and the NDAA. Resistance to them is to be respected.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Well this lady has every reason to hate RPF. The thread has a one star rating and most responders have told her she's wasting her time.

The fact is, she wouldn't be elected anyways. Only assholes feel the need to point it out. I guess Ron Paul was wasting his time in '88. No he wasn't. He spoke the truth even though neither party wanted to hear it.

Those that feel the need to say LP candidates are a waste are just assholes that claim our time, money, and allegiance to the GOP (who is complicit and largely responsible for the assault on liberty). You don't own my time. My time spent on the LP is not wasted because it's time I certainly would not have spent on the GOP. The GOP is the party of the patriot act and the NDAA. Resistance to them is to be respected.

I don't think anyone suggested allegiance to the GOP, but that working within the GOP is the proven path of success for libertarians, where working within the LP is a proven path of failure. If one spends time and money on an LP candidate, which has be shown time and time again to be a failure, they are wasting their time and money. Now, people are free to do whatever they choose with their money, even spend it on a foolish endeavor, but ones right to do something does not make it logical or fruitful.

You are correct when you say no one owns your time, and that you wouldn't have spent in the GOP anyway. You are free to spend your time and money however you choose, but I would suggest that spending your time and money on a hobby or business would be far more fruitful than spending that time and money on LP endeavors. If you have $5000 and your choice is between donating to the LP and buying a boat, I would suggest buying the boat - you'll get far more value from your purchase. Of course you are free to do whatever you wish, but don't put yourself on a public forum and become indignant when people tell you that you are foolish for throwing money into the black hole that is the LP.

Yes, the lady running for governor of KS will not be elected. However, on a public forum such as this, when the topic is introduced it is profitable for people to point out the foolishness of a third party run. There are many people who may be reading this forum who are naive or delusional - hopefully posts from myself and others on the topic will bring some clarity to the issue. If you are looking for cheerleaders, then perhaps there are other forums out there that will be free of any critical thought and applaud any Tom, Dick or Harry who chooses to run for a high level office.

As far as Paul in 88, few if any people knew he was running or even cared. In 88 Ron was an opportunist. He knew he wouldn't win, he knew he wouldn't get in the debates, he knew that scant few people would even know he was running. As I see it, Ron ran in 88 for the purpose of speaking to young folks about politics. From an interview back in those days Paul said, "We're just as interested in the future generation as this election. These kids will vote eventually, and maybe, just maybe, they'll go home and talk to their parents." He used the LP as a vehicle for his own personal endeavors, and along the way he picked up a lot of new subscribers to his newsletters which was a bonus. When he decided to return to elected office, Ron did not run as on the LP ticket, but instead chose the vehicle that was a proven success, the GOP. And in recent years he has preached many times that the GOP needs to be reformed, and recent electoral history shows that the process is beginning.

 

[lib3rtarian]

Well this lady has every reason to hate RPF. The thread has a one star rating and most responders have told her she's wasting her time.

The fact is, she wouldn't be elected anyways. Only assholes feel the need to point it out. I guess Ron Paul was wasting his time in '88. No he wasn't. He spoke the truth even though neither party wanted to hear it.

Those that feel the need to say LP candidates are a waste are just assholes that claim our time, money, and allegiance to the GOP (who is complicit and largely responsible for the assault on liberty). You don't own my time. My time spent on the LP is not wasted because it's time I certainly would not have spent on the GOP. The GOP is the party of the patriot act and the NDAA. Resistance to them is to be respected.

At least Ron Paul realized in 1988 that LP was a waste of time and move onto the GOP. The elitists in the LP have their collective heads buried in the sand in 2013 still. Go ahead and donate all your money to the LP candidate. A saying comes to mind - "A fool and his money are soon parted."

 

[muzzled dogg]

You can say lp is a waste without having allegiance to either major party

In fact it's a logical conclusion if you actually care about winning. If wanting to win makes you an asshole then so be it

 

[Roxi]

This is my reply to someone in PM but since it applies here I'm posting it too.

While I agree that for the short term, the path through liberty is within the republican party, I also know that there are a LOT of liberty minded people, who lean more toward democrat than republican, but are still a step in the right direction no matter which route they take. I'm also of the opinion that for the long term, it's important to build the Libertarian Party, and possibly other third parties. The majority of Americans now call themselves "Independent" even though at the polls they vote for an R or D ticket. I also know, that a great number of these folks are actually Libertarians without even knowing it.

Tresa is a long standing member of the LP and is dedicated to building the LP to major party status. My opinion on what ticket she should run on isn't even a factor, so it's pointless for me to even have an opinion in regard to her candidacy.

In any case, no matter what our opinions are on which party a liberty minded candidate should run on, I still find it important to help any person willing to run for office, that holds similar principals or ideals as I do WIN that office.

I've said this no less than 100 times in regard to Rand, but it applies here too. The key to change in this country isn't a "my way or the highway attitude" It's not going to get "fixed" BUT, we can take baby steps in getting some things accomplished in placing people in any office who is even halfway there on the liberty end. These candidates aren't perfect, but they're damn sure better than what is in place now.

 

[Roxi]

Well this lady has every reason to hate RPF. The thread has a one star rating and most responders have told her she's wasting her time.

The fact is, she wouldn't be elected anyways. Only assholes feel the need to point it out. I guess Ron Paul was wasting his time in '88. No he wasn't. He spoke the truth even though neither party wanted to hear it.

Those that feel the need to say LP candidates are a waste are just assholes that claim our time, money, and allegiance to the GOP (who is complicit and largely responsible for the assault on liberty). You don't own my time. My time spent on the LP is not wasted because it's time I certainly would not have spent on the GOP. The GOP is the party of the patriot act and the NDAA. Resistance to them is to be respected.

"You must spread some reputation around before giving to fr33 again."

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

In any case, no matter what our opinions are on which party a liberty minded candidate should run on, I still find it important to help any person willing to run for office, that holds similar principals or ideals as I do WIN that office.

I disagree with you here.

Every election there are multiple races where liberty candidates are seeking office. Each one of us has limited time and limited financial resources to contribute to those campaigns. We all need to wise in the stewardship of that time and money. If we are to squander time and money on a candidate that has no chance of winning office, then we are diverting time and money from a candidate that has a realistic shot at winning the office.

Each person is free to do whatever they choose with their money. However, my recommendation is contrary to yours. I find it important to help any person who has a realistic shot at winning an election, that holds similar principles or ideals as I do, win that office. LP candidates do not have a realistic shot at winning an election for a state house seat or higher. Until they are able to change that through their own hard work and diligence, I will not spend a dime on an LP candidate, and I will do everything in my power to convince others to do likewise.

 

[muzzled dogg]

The majority of Americans now call themselves "Independent" even though at the polls they vote for an R or D ticket. I also know, that a great number of these folks are actually Libertarians without even knowing it.

they are libertarians, not Libertarians

no matter what our opinions are on which party a liberty minded candidate should run on, I still find it important to help any person willing to run for office, that holds similar principals or ideals as I do WIN that office.

in an ideal world where we have unlimited resources i would agree with this statement

The key to change in this country isn't a "my way or the highway attitude" It's not going to get "fixed" BUT, we can take baby steps in getting some things accomplished in placing people in any office who is even halfway there on the liberty end.

but you're not going to change things as a candidate who is unelectable

These candidates aren't perfect, but they're damn sure better than what is in place now.

nope, but as third party candidates they are unelectable

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

nope, but as third party candidates they are unelectable

It may be helpful to point out why they are unelectable. The reason is that politics is a career - like it or not, it is the nature of the game. Sure, anyone can run for and win an office, but in reality only those who have built for themselves a network of donors, volunteers and voters will succeed. To illustrate look at Mark Sanford, Tom Davis and Nikki Haley:

Davis is currently serving in the State Senate, and some have speculated he may run for governor. Before entering politics he was involved in local politics as a volunteer, etc. He then was elected to county government and served there for a good number of years. Because of this, he then served as chief of staff to Sanford. Because of this he was then able to run for and win a State Senate seat.

Sanford owned a real estate company, prior to entering politics, so he was well known in his district and built some connections. He ran for US House and won. His House seat propelled him to the Governor's seat, and we all know his downfall. But this past year he went back to the House based upon his record, connections and history.

Nikki Haley was involved in business prior to politics. She was on the board of the Lexington Chamber of Commerce and did a ton of stuff with that and related organizations, which build the recognition and connections. She ran for and won a state house seat and then eventually went on to become governor.

We could go on and on finding examples. But the point is this: these folks and countless others like them did not go from obscurity to political success. They were leaders in their communities, they were business owners, they were involved in local politics, then, and only then did they pursue elected office. That is what makes someone electable, and virtually every LP candidate that will throw their hat into the ring this year and next fails the electability test. They simply do not have the experience, connections and ability to run a serious campaign for office.

I am frankly amazed that some people have the balls to run for office and ask people to part with their hard earned money to support them, when they have no experience, no network of connection and are by every definition - unelectable.