Kelly Ayotte needs to be primaried in 2016
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Agree. Someone from NH needs to give us the inside scoop on a candidate.
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NH isn't the most Libertarian state. Well maybe it is, IDK. The Libertarian Party is so weak everywhere, it is hard to tell. As for Sen. Ayotte being the 3rd worse Republican US Senator, she is better than the average Republican US Senator as far as I can tell. Maybe we are looking at different things. What ranking are you going off of?
John Birch Society gave her a 70%, which is about average for a Republican US Senator. http://www.jbs.org/voting-index/download?id=302_2852523dc7082dca5a39e388346de1e8
Club for Growth gave her a 92%, making her the 8th best US Senator. http://www.clubforgrowth.org//projects/
She and Rand co-sponsor important bills together like Audit the Fed, Audit the Pentagon and the top Campaign for Liberty push right now, stop the internet sales tax.
I spent a little time working against her last time and for money, am willing to spend a lot of time working against her. Though, since she is in the top 20 in the US Senate, I'd hope no one in NH spends serious time working against her when there are so many more important elections in NH unless they are paid to do so.
It should also be put out there that Republicans aren't expected to do fantastic in 2016 in NH in national elections so having an incumbent female US Senator on the ballot might help Republicans, overall.
She even returned a bunch of her office budget back to the government to set an example.
Ayotte, Shaheen return money to federal treasury
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130307/NEWS06/130309271
John Birch Society gave her a 70%, which is about average for a Republican US Senator. http://www.jbs.org/voting-index/download?id=302_2852523dc7082dca5a39e388346de1e8
Club for Growth gave her a 92%, making her the 8th best US Senator. http://www.clubforgrowth.org//projects/
She and Rand co-sponsor important bills together like Audit the Fed, Audit the Pentagon and the top Campaign for Liberty push right now, stop the internet sales tax.
I spent a little time working against her last time and for money, am willing to spend a lot of time working against her. Though, since she is in the top 20 in the US Senate, I'd hope no one in NH spends serious time working against her when there are so many more important elections in NH unless they are paid to do so.
It should also be put out there that Republicans aren't expected to do fantastic in 2016 in NH in national elections so having an incumbent female US Senator on the ballot might help Republicans, overall.
She even returned a bunch of her office budget back to the government to set an example.
Ayotte, Shaheen return money to federal treasury
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130307/NEWS06/130309271
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She is the rising neocon princess backed by Graham and McCain. Collectivistly thinking as they do, they have their 'minority' and want their 'woman' and she is it, imho. This is why, despite being a freshman, she was at Obama's dinner while Rand was fillibustering. I think she should be taken out soon, or be a huge problem later. but I don't know if we have the person who could do it, and is willing to try. Do we?
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Love this.
Kelly rode the "Palin MILF" wave. I'm not even trying to be crude, or funny - it's true. She certainly never was "Tea Party" in my eyes; maybe I missed something, but I live here and follow closely. She has always been the "former AG, tough on crime, I love cops" candidate - statist all the way.
She is an utter disappointment, right up there with her colleague, Jeanne "I Will Never Go Away from NH Politics" Shaheen. Don't count on a R of any stripe to primary her; she has too much influence with TPTB.
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Her main vulnerability will be her undeniable attachment to Graham and McCain. Some of that stench will rub off on her. The right Tea Party candidate might have a chance in the GOP primary. We need to have someone on that ballot besides her come Primary time. An "utter disappointment" should not go uncontested.
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The Tea Party isn't popular in NH and it will likely be especially unpopular in 2016. In 2010, the Tea Party candidate almost beat her in the primary. Some people thought he should have a recount. He didn't.
McCain has never been terribly unpopular in NH, especially among Republicans. I don't see how being slightly connected to him will hurt her in a GOP Primary.
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I don't disagree. I'd love nothing more than to see her get primaried. I'd help promote and fund that person, too.
Problem is, (1) NH Repubs are going to want to back this incumbent with all their might because they have lost every other major office in this state. She is the last one standing; (2) she has old guard power on her side in NH, not just in DC. Ex-Gov. Merrill, John Sununu, etc.
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Liberty Democrat opportunity? That guy from L4All SuperPac should be interested in that.
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Worth thinking about, in that state in particular.
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Nah, I'm sure the D's have their usual suspects in waiting. John Lynch is probably on that list, Paul Hodes is probably on that list, Kuster could probably make it to the list.
Honestly, I think the strength of liberty candidates/libertarianism in NH is really overstated. Recent results should say it all: we've become North Massachusetts. I mean, freakin' Jackie Cilley, borderline nuts and openly raving and ranting against the liberty movement, got nearly 40% in her primary against eventual governor Maggie Hassan.
Honestly, I think the strength of liberty candidates/libertarianism in NH is really overstated. Recent results should say it all: we've become North Massachusetts. I mean, freakin' Jackie Cilley, borderline nuts and openly raving and ranting against the liberty movement, got nearly 40% in her primary against eventual governor Maggie Hassan.
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but Ron got 22% and would have gotten more if not for that fake Huntsman video. And that was in a PRESIDENTIAL election. Ron's supporters divide almost evenly between independent, Dem and GOP, per one PPP poll I saw. We have to overcome the self isolation into those divisions is how I see it.
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Hassan ran as perhaps the most conservative leaning Democratic candidate for governor in the Northeast since John Lynch. As for the 2012 elections, liberty candidates did better in NH than any other state.
NH - 68 out of 171 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...d-including-the-1-candidate-Ron-Paul-endorsed
NH (according to the NHLA) - 74 out of 149 http://www.nhliberty.org/newsletters/2012/12
ME - 5 out of 18 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-including-the-5-Ron-Paul-endorsed-candidates
MN - 4 out 42 of liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395203-Minnesota-11-6-12-election-results-thread
MA - 3 out of 17 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395202-Massachusetts-11-6-12-election-results-thread
IA - 3 out of 14 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?394887-Liberty-Iowa-candidates-Election-results
VT- 1 out of 7 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395575-Vermont-11-6-12-election-results-thread
RI - 1 out of 5 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395152-Rhode-Island-11-6-12-election-results-thread
NV - 0 out of 3 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395392-Nevada-11-6-12-election-results-thread
Other states?
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I know, Ron's 22% was glorious. One of my favorite days as a NH native ever, in terms of politics here. I was at several polling places, holding signs and getting in the paper. His speech at the Courtyard is still burned into my brain ("We ARE dangerous...to the status quo of this country!")
But at the end of the day, 22% is still 22% - i.e., still ~30% short of getting someone we want in office.
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plus rep for your work!
But 22% in a PRESIDENTIAL race is much harder than for Senate imho, where you have two to a state and a hundred to the nation. And bad choices.
I could be wrong, but I really do think our people aren't arranged neatly by party and it is worth thinking about. Maybe NH isnt the place, but I do think it.
Also, Ron's 22% was with a bunch of candidates, not just 2 or 3.
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I appreciate all this - really, I do - and I am "one of us," so to speak - but the liberty streak doesn't carry over in NH to the national stage.
It's one thing to jam the State House with us, quite another to fight the old Sununu/Merrill/Bass guard and make it to the other side. Concord is as rotten a machine town as any of them.
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I completely agree that it doesn't carry over nationally, although Sununu was 1 of the top 5 in the US Senate in his day. He even spoke at a Liberty Forum. Actually, the US Senator before him, Smith, was also 1 of the top 5 in the US Senate in his day. Things seems to have changed with national elections in NH for the worse (and actually slightly better for the nation as a whole as when it comes to national stage Republicans). Oh well. I don't care much. I'm more focused on state and local elections because that stuff is substantially more important and I can actually have an impact. If we free NH, we can focus on freeing other states and national stuff
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