Justin Raimondo: Why I Didn’t Vote for Trump (And why I’m cheering on the movement he created)

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Justin Raimondo: Why I Didn’t Vote for Trump (And why I’m cheering on the movement he created)

I’ve written a lot about Donald Trump in this space, basically arguing that his views signify a sea change in the foreign policy discourse in this country. His rise, I’ve averred, augurs the end of the neoconservatives as a viable political force within the GOP, and the beginning of an “isolationist” (i.e. anti-interventionist) trend in American politics that will upend the Establishment of both parties.


So why didn’t I vote for him when I had the chance?


I have to admit I was sorely tempted: the opportunity to make Bill Kristol a very unhappy man was almost too much to pass up. And yet, in the end, when I got my mail ballot, and I sat down and looked at it, I just couldn’t bring myself to do it for a very simple reason: the man isn’t the movement.


The Trump phenomenon is one thing, and Donald Trump the person is quite another. While the former is to be cheered and encouraged, for reasons I’ll get into in a minute, the latter is a very mixed bag.
  • He wants to increase domestic surveillance in the name of fighting the “war on terrorism.” At once point he suggested we would have to shut down “parts of the internet.”
  • He advocates torture of alleged terrorists and says he would murder their families.
  • While opposing US intervention in Syria – he once asked Bill O’Reilly “Do you want to own Syria?” – he now says he wants to create a “safe zone” in Syria so the refugees don’t have to come here. Call me crazy, but that looks like military intervention to me.
  • He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens, an operation that – assuming it isn’t stopped by the courts – would be inevitably ugly and provoke massive resistance.
more: http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/05/26/didnt-vote-trump/
 
And Raimondo didn't go ga ga over Bush the way he has for Trump. Very disappointed in him.

Did you even read the article?

He didn't vote for Trump, he doesn't support Trump's bad policies, he just likes that people are actually able to talk about things that were essentially banned from public discourse not too long ago and calling out the left on their antics.
 
I look at the Trump situation exactly like Justin. Screw Billy Kristol. Still won't vote for Trump.
 
Did you even read the article?

He didn't vote for Trump, he doesn't support Trump's bad policies, he just likes that people are actually able to talk about things that were essentially banned from public discourse not too long ago and calling out the left on their antics.


I actually had a direct conversation with Raimondo on Twitter in the winter. I know Raimondo's direct line of thinking on this...so yeah thanks for the tip...

He has no clue what he is talking about. Trumps people aren't "catching on". They will jump on anything spoon fed to them and 4 years later the "issues" Raimondo thinks Trump brought to light will go right back in the old memory hole.
 
Did you even read the article?

He didn't vote for Trump, he doesn't support Trump's bad policies, he just likes that people are actually able to talk about things that were essentially banned from public discourse not too long ago and calling out the left on their antics.

Yeah, but those things "banned from public discourse" that the mass of his supporters are so excited about are the deportation rhetoric, general political uncorrectness and the American exceptionalism aroma of his big slogan. I don't hear mainstream trump supporters praising him for non-interventionism. The whole "trump is a non-interventionist" idea seems to be ghettoized to a handful of fantasists on hardcore libertarian enclaves like this forum. If he actually said out loud that wants to close all our bases and withdraw the troops from overseas, things would take quite a different turn. He doesn't say it out loud because the non-interventionist idea has never crossed his mind. That is, except to condemn Ron Paul (for saying things that were essentially banned from public discourse).
 
I actually had a direct conversation with Raimondo on Twitter in the winter. I know Raimondo's direct line of thinking on this...so yeah thanks for the tip...

He has no clue what he is talking about. Trumps people aren't "catching on". They will jump on anything spoon fed to them and 4 years later the "issues" Raimondo thinks Trump brought to light will go right back in the old memory hole.

It isn't about him or his supporters.. it's about people like Milo and Stefan Molyneux talking about feminism for what it is, or discussing racial issues honestly, or conservative/libertarian economics, even foreign policy.. without Donald Trump these kind of issues and conservatism in general were totally marginalized and now people are actually talking about them more openly..the mainstream media is dying, 6% of the population trusts the MSM...they were dying before but the process was sped up very quickly..all in large part because of Donald Trump.
 
It isn't about him or his supporters.. it's about people like Milo and Stefan Molyneux talking about feminism for what it is, or discussing racial issues honestly, or conservative/libertarian economics, even foreign policy.. without Donald Trump these kind of issues and conservatism in general were totally marginalized and now people are actually talking about them more openly..the mainstream media is dying, 6% of the population trusts the MSM...they were dying before but the process was sped up very quickly..all in large part because of Donald Trump.

Yeah, I'm gonna need some stats and such on this little doozy.
 
Yeah, but those things "banned from public discourse" that the mass of his supporters are so excited about are the deportation rhetoric, general political uncorrectness and the American exceptionalism aroma of his big slogan. I don't hear mainstream trump supporters praising him for non-interventionism. The whole "trump is a non-interventionist" idea seems to be ghettoized to a handful of fantasists on hardcore libertarian enclaves like this forum. If he actually said out loud that wants to close all our bases and withdraw the troops from overseas, things would take quite a different turn. He doesn't say it out loud because the non-interventionist idea has never crossed his mind. That is, except to condemn Ron Paul (for saying things that were essentially banned from public discourse).

He had some very hard hitting debates on foreign policy during the GOP debates, he took the side of non-intervention - and he gave a pretty good speech about it as well. I agree he is all over the map, I don't personally trust him, but I'm glad he has come out and made it so people can talk about those things more openly.

As far as immigration, I'm not a fan of mass deportation at all, but I do like the idea that we can actually talk about different cultures and their impact on the US. If we keep letting in massive amounts of immigrants, we are just going to become more and more socialist and our country will deteriorate. If Europe keeps letting in more and more Muslims they are going to have a civil war. Immigration is a serious issue. I'm ok with multi-culturalism, I like many aspects of it and have lived in relatively mono-culture neighborhoods that don't share my primary ethnicity and been ok with that, too. But on a large scale it is not working out well for our country. We need to stop giving away government services to illegal immigrants, but if that isn't possible we need as an alternative to curtail our immigration so we have some chance at not becoming even more socialist.
 
Yeah, I'm gonna need some stats and such on this little doozy.

No stats needed, all you have to do is have been paying attention to the increasing popularity of various segments of the alt-right - not necessarily the ones who are racist and obsessed w/ saying cuck, but there has been a huge push back against SJWs on campuses and there is more open debate on many issues that just weren't debated before Donald Trump announced his candidacy. It's not ALL because of him, it was an idea whose time was coming, the SJWs were getting crazier and crazier, South Park did an entire season on it, but Trump is really the one who has helped push some of this stuff more mainstream.
 
It isn't about him or his supporters.. it's about people like Milo and Stefan Molyneux talking about feminism for what it is, or discussing racial issues honestly, or conservative/libertarian economics, even foreign policy.. without Donald Trump these kind of issues and conservatism in general were totally marginalized and now people are actually talking about them more openly..the mainstream media is dying, 6% of the population trusts the MSM...they were dying before but the process was sped up very quickly..all in large part because of Donald Trump.

This is complete and utter rubbish. Stefan Molyneux have been talking about race and IQ for the longest time, one of his highest viewed race video about slavery done before Trump ever though of getting into the race, Stefan has also been talking about the evils of women, divorce courts, single mothers, feminists etc etc, he even had one of the early interviews with girlwriteswhat before all this Trump shit started. Milo on the other hand has been pawning SJW, liberals and feminists since gamergate issue arose and that too was way before Trump started his campaign. Maybe you only discovered Milo after Trump but he had his voice before Trump

To say Trump spurred them on or gave them a voice is just not true. Lastly, the mainstream media was dying before Trump, now all his supporters tune in to hear the shitty things is going to say thus giving the MSM millions of extra dollars in advertisement money. So thanks Trump and his supporters for giving them new life.
 
This is complete and utter rubbish. Stefan Molyneux have been talking about race and IQ for the longest time, one of his highest viewed race video about slavery done before Trump ever though of getting into the race, Stefan has also been talking about the evils of women, divorce courts, single mothers, feminists etc etc, he even had one of the early interviews with girlwriteswhat before all this Trump shit started. Milo on the other hand has been pawning SJW, liberals and feminists since gamergate issue arose and that too was way before Trump started his campaign. Maybe you only discovered Milo after Trump but he had his voice before Trump

To say Trump spurred them on or gave them a voice is just not true. Lastly, the mainstream media was dying before Trump, now all his supporters tune in to hear the shitty things is going to say thus giving the MSM millions of extra dollars in advertisement money. So thanks Trump and his supporters for giving them new life.

Slow down, buddy... I agree Stef has been talking about some of this stuff for a while, but his viewership base has increased substantially since Trump has been running, he has been making this argument, so go take it up with the man himself...

As far as MSM dying, ya, I said it was dying before, but Trump has done a lot to speed up that process.
 
Slow down, buddy... I agree Stef has been talking about some of this stuff for a while, but his viewership base has increased substantially since Trump has been running, he has been making this argument, so go take it up with the man himself...

As far as MSM dying, ya, I said it was dying before, but Trump has done a lot to speed up that process.

Thou shalt not credit Trump in any positive light or you lose libertarian cred. amirite?
 
Slow down, buddy... I agree Stef has been talking about some of this stuff for a while, but his viewership base has increased substantially since Trump has been running, he has been making this argument, so go take it up with the man himself...

As far as MSM dying, ya, I said it was dying before, but Trump has done a lot to speed up that process.

I just said one of his most viewed race video was made before Trump started running, normally your audience grows when you start catering to a new community and obvious it grew his audience grew a bit after he started kissing Trump's asshole. But he never had any problem attracting viewers to his race and feminist videos.

Also did you ever wonder how people like Sargon of Akkad and Milo made their name? it wasn't from anything Trump related, they made their names and the vast majority of their audience from the backlash against gamergate. All this anti SJW, feminism, political correctness stuff started with gamergate not Trump. If anything, he piggybacked on the whole campaign to gain supporters for his presidential run.

But here giving credit to Trump for building the campaign.
 
From his article:
Trump’s radical critique of the Iraq war, his opposition to NATO...

Trumps words from the article Raimondo linked to:

“I don’t mind NATO per se, but it has to be reconstituted, it has to be modernized,” Mr. Trump said Monday on “Fox and Friends.” “You know, we’re dealing with NATO from the days of the Soviet Union, which no longer exists. We need to either transition into terror or we need something else, because we have to get countries together.”

That's hardly opposition to NATO, and could easily be something worse. Raimondo sees what he wants to see. And if Trump was really "opposed to NATO", he surely would have expressed that in the previous 50 years of his adult life.

Also, remember the big deal Raimondo made about Chuck Hagel becoming the Defense Secretary in Obama Administration, because he criticized the Iraq war some. You know how that turned out.
 
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