Judge strikes down Trump admin's anti-sanctuary city lawsuit against Chicago on 10th Amendment grounds

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spudea said:
A State law is claiming supremacy to federal law enforcement. If a state has a dispute with how the federal government enforces the law, they can sue in court, but to preempt that whole process with a state law, is unconstitutional.

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They should be encouraged in following this train of thought, by any and all means.

This fed judge, thinking she just pwnd Trump, has opened a floodgate that, if left to stand, could nullify about 90 percent of the fedgov's authority.
 
spudea said:
A State law is claiming supremacy to federal law enforcement. If a state has a dispute with how the federal government enforces the law, they can sue in court, but to preempt that whole process with a state law, is unconstitutional.
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You're all wet, Tater. The Tenth makes the states preeminent in most matters. The states have the right to tell the federal government to get stuffed in all matters where the constitution does not specifically allocate the responsibility to Washington.

The thing that makes this ruling unlikely to stand isn't your imaginary federal supremacy. It's the fact that the constitution does allocate responsibility for immigration to the federal government. Specifically.

Anti Federalist said:
This fed judge, thinking she just pwnd Trump, has opened a floodgate that, if left to stand, could nullify about 90 percent of the fedgov's authority.
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I don't have a problem with that. I wish I thought it might, and/or should, work out that way.
 
acptulsa said:
I don't have a problem with that. I wish I thought it might, and/or should, work out that way.
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Problem? I have no problem with it either, it could be the biggest political self-own in history.

The faster this gets to SCOTUS the better.

Imagine what could happen if this ruling stands.
 
Until recently, leftists & Democrats didn't have anything good to say about the principle of secession. Now some of them are playing footsie with the idea. That is all for the better - even if their motives are cynically opportunistic and self-serving.

Likewise, if they start giving credence to the principles of nullification and interposition, then that, too, is all for the better -again, even if their motives are cynically opportunistic and self-serving.
 
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spudea said:
But it won't stand. A looney toons Biden judge doesn't believe in states' rights and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.
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Of course she doesn't, she doesn't have a fucking clue, all she cares about is Stop Orange Man.

But she is a sitting judge.

And this ruling is now on the books.
 
GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged said:
What could happen? 50 Rogue State Governments ruling as if they owned a country?
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What we have now is worse than that.

The 10th amendment can't override the federal government's authority and mandate of a nationalized citizenship and national borders.

You can't repeal the federal government using the bill of rights.
 
Anti Federalist said:
They should be encouraged in following this train of thought, by any and all means.

This fed judge, thinking she just pwnd Trump, has opened a floodgate that, if left to stand, could nullify about 90 percent of the fedgov's authority.
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Even if if fails, the idea will have been put out there - by a judge in an open case, no less, and not by some droning academic in a dusty article no one will ever read - thereby reintroducing the concepts of nullification & interposition to political discourse, and giving those concepts greater social currency and credibility than they previously had.
 
Occam's Banana said:
Even if if fails, the idea will have been put out there - by a judge in an open case, no less, and not by some droning academic in a dusty article no one will ever read - thereby reintroducing the concepts of nullification & interposition to political discourse, and giving those concepts greater social currency and credibility than they previously had.
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Just because something is a long held and firmly believable idea that doesn't mean its an idea that is objectively or morally good.

People who believe in communism firmly believe in an idea that killed 100 million people in the 20th century and that doesn't stop them from believing in it.
 
Occam's Banana said:
Even if if fails, the idea will have been put out there - by a judge in an open case, no less, and not by some droning academic in a dusty article no one will ever read - thereby reintroducing the concepts of nullification & interposition to political discourse, and giving those concepts greater social currency and credibility than they previously had.
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Exact-a-mundo.
 
nikcers said:
Just because something is a long held and firmly believable idea that doesn't mean its an idea that is objectively or morally good.

People who believe in communism firmly believe in an idea that killed 100 million people in the 20th century and that doesn't stop them from believing in it.
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Smaller government with more local control is better.

For those who can not or will not vote for that, it gives citizens a chance to leave a failing state, without having to leave the nation.
 
Anti Federalist said:
Smaller government with more local control is better.

For those who can not or will not vote for that, it gives citizens a chance to leave a failing state, without having to leave the nation.
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How well did having a smaller government work for Tibet after World War 2?
 
nikcers said:
How well did having a smaller government work for Tibet after World War 2?
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If the 10th amendment was enforced, perhaps the fedgov could pay more attention to Article IV Section 4, instead of the useless trillions spent of fripperies.
 
Anti Federalist said:
If the 10th amendment was enforced, perhaps the fedgov could pay more attention to Article IV Section 4, instead of the useless trillions spent of fripperies.
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The 10th amendment isnt a suicide pact.

"We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
 
nikcers said:
How well did having a smaller government work for Tibet after World War 2?
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nikcers said:
People who believe in communism firmly believe in an idea that killed 100 million people in the 20th century and that doesn't stop them from believing in it.
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Shithead bot doesn't know what its arguing for and what its arguing against.

Yo, bot. How did having bigger government and more central control work out for the Soviets? Riddle me that, defective tool.
 
acptulsa said:
Shithead bot doesn't know what its arguing for and what its arguing against.

Yo, bot. How did having bigger government and more central control work out for the Soviets? Riddle me that, defective tool.
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How well does democracy with capitalism as a growth engine work? You know the people who lit the world with light bulbs powered by AC electricity and the revolutionary space age and information age?
 
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