Judge slaps gag order on Trump in relation to 6 Jan case

[acptulsa]

Perhaps, but that's one hell of a show to keep up for so long.

So?

Dude. Name a politician not named Paul or Massie who doesn't maintain a charade throughout their entire careers.

You need to do more than hate evil to defeat it. You also have to avoid underestimating it.

People in Washington have been pretending to care about democracy, at home and abroad, for eighty years straight. That would be a vastly bigger show which has been kept up ten times as long, wouldn't it? And given the profits, it's well worth the effort. So, tell me how this other little project can't be done. Tell me how convincing the most dissatisfied half of the population that when they shoot themselves in the foot, they win, wouldn't appeal to would-be tyrants.

In the real world, evil people do things nice people wouldn't. In the really really world, evil does things nice people would never even conceive of.

You do realize, don't you, that they have been maintaining the 9/11 Charade, the Lee Harvey Oswald Charade and the Nobel Prize Charade for one hell of a lot longer?

 

[ClaytonB]

So?

Dude. Name a politician not named Paul or Massie who doesn't maintain a charade throughout their entire careers.

I think you mistook my point. I'm not claiming that the DC Swamp has even one particle of honesty or integrity in itself, even by accident. I'm saying that the charade, no matter how elaborate, is still subject to the constraints of logic. So, if you tell me "they're doing XYZ as a charade" but that simply doesn't make any sense, I won't believe you, not because I think that the DC Swamp has any particle of honesty or integrity, but because it doesn't make any sense.

You need to do more than hate evil to defeat it. You also have to avoid underestimating it.

It is precisely because I do not underestimate their evil that I have commented here -- this is always a very prickly topic between us.

People in Washington have been pretending to care about democracy, at home and abroad, for eighty years straight. That would be a vastly bigger show which has been kept up ten times as long, wouldn't it?

That's the other way in which you are mistaking my point. I'm not arguing that (a) they have moral limits or (b) they are incapable of orchestrating grand illusions. But when a posited illusion is self-defeating, then it simply doesn't make sense. Is the Deep State more powerful and secure in their nefarious plans circa 2021 than circa 2016? The answer is that they certainly did not make any progress and, if anything, the public discussion has become maddeningly game-theoretic now that a large minority of the public is waking up to the charade itself. Whether you attribute that awakening to Trump, to Q, to "patriots" or simply to the hand of God, either way, a lot more people were awake by 2021 than were awake in 2016. So, something is changing that is not in line with the interests and objectives of the Deep State. That means, no matter how evil they are, and no matter how competent they are at implementing their evil plans, they're still "slipping". The line, "it's all just part of their Super-Secret Plan Of Evil" just isn't believable. A world in which no more people were awake in 2021 than were awake in 2016 is objectively preferable from the Deep State perspective, all else equal. So, they're slipping, and something is causing that. Perhaps Trump is just riding the wave for his own self-interest, but I don't see any reasonable construction in which Trump is "akshually" working on behalf of the Deep State. The worst construction that is still believable is that he's just out for #1. I can bring myself to entertain that hypothesis. But "Trump is akshually Deep State" is just ridiculous, like saying they "wanted" more people to wake up to what they're doing by 2021 than were awake in 2016.

So, tell me how this other little project can't be done.

Whether it "can" or "can't" be done, it's self-defeating. It's like if the Roman army were to catapult bundles of freshly slaughtered beef to the barbarian horde. No one in their right mind intentionally strengthens their enemy and weakens themselves. It is objectively against the interests of the Deep State for a sizable minority of the American public to be awake to what they're really up to. Look at this latest headline with Janet Yellen saying we can certainly afford two wars. Everyone who isn't a dyed-blue Democrat or yellow-bellied RINO can plainly see that this is just the printing-press speaking. That was not true in 2016. Something has significantly shifted in the domestic political landscape, and this shift objectively constitutes an existential threat to the DC Establishment / Deep State.

You do realize, don't you, that they have been maintaining the 9/11 Charade, the Lee Harvey Oswald Charade and the Nobel Prize Charade for one hell of a lot longer?

Yes. But I don't see that as a sign of strength on their part. Supreme skill in lying is a sign that the liar is, ultimately, self-deceived. So, all their charades are really symptoms of their weakness, not their strength. And if those other charades have a purpose, it is to keep the public discussion on any topic except one: the central bank. And here we are, in 2023, having a broad public discussion about the dangers of central banking to the economy and our political system. That is precisely the public discussion that we're not supposed to be having... we're supposed to talk about Tic-Tac UFOs or non-terrestrial biological matter or Sasquatch or Elvis sightings or anything in the world except the central bank. So, this is a big fat L in the Deep State column and, while it's important not to underestimate one's enemy, it's also important to seize battlefield opportunities immediately. No matter what game face they put on, they are objectively on the retreat and now is the time to charge, not fall back into black-pill despair about how they are so good at all their evil and lies that we don't stand a chance to put it to a stop.

 

[acptulsa]

So, if you tell me "they're doing XYZ as a charade" but that simply doesn't make any sense, I won't believe you, not because I think that the DC Swamp has any particle of honesty or integrity, but because it doesn't make any sense.

Not much for Star Trek chess, are you? Can you make heads or tails out of e=mc squared? Does that mean Einstein was wrong? Were the Newton Knew Best crowd right, or at least, were they right right up until Oppenheimer proved Einstein right?

I can't force you to see the sense in it. All I can do is make sense, and see if all the cents fall out of the hole in your pocket. The concept really isn't that difficult. If you don't see it, that's not because the sense isn't there, and it's not because you don't have enough brains. It's because you don't care to see it for whatever reason. It is simple enough. But, hey, here we go again, because why not?

It is precisely because I do not underestimate their evil that I have commented here -- this is always a very prickly topic between us.

Yeah, I always get prickly when people put their words in my mouth, whether accidentally or on purpose. I never said you underestimate their evil. I say you underestimate their brains. And you do.

The answer is that they certainly did not make any progress and, if anything, the public discussion has become maddeningly game-theoretic now that a large minority of the public is waking up to the charade itself.

You're welcome. We worked very, very hard with Ron Paul in 2007-2008 to get that cat out of the bag, and make sure they could never get it back in. If, as you say, you don't think they're stupid, then why do you keep saying they wouldn't have sense enough to play the cards as they lay, and would instead play this hand like it contains the exact same cards as the previous hand? Because it isn't 2006 any more, and anyone who thinks they can't adapt is woefully underestimating them. Period.

We worked like dogs to bring that to pass, while it was still possible, before they locked down the search logarithms. You know the time of which I speak. Trump was still a Democrat at the time.
Wasn't he?

They don't do as you expect, they don't keep toiling along in the same old rut, because they can't, and they're just smart enough to see it. So, they're desperately trying to rally us malcontents around their Officially Approved Rebel so all our efforts will be in vain.

If you had a cabin with no sewer vent poking out of the roof, would you have enough sense to get it a lightning rod? Of course you would. But you keep saying these people wouldn't, even though lightning rods are a two hundred fifty year old concept, and they've engaged figurative lightning rods many, many times before.

If Trump had revealed one single thing that we didn't already know, I might feel differently. But he said nothing--nothing at all--that we and Ron Paul didn't teach him how to regurgitate. What became of his campaign promise to open the 9/11 files? What became of his campaign promise to open the JFK files? Why is he so careful not to even mention non-intervention, or the Fed? You keep talking like he's doing one damned thing besides preaching to an already existing choir. He is not. You act like he will really do something if reinstalled. But he didn't do much good last time, unless you're either Pfizer, or one of the banks that owns the Fed. Hell, the man didn't even find someone competent to investigate that "election", and refused to acknowledge the competent people who investigated it on their own.

All we got was that damned jab, eight more trillions in debt, and Thomas Massie defeating a coup to suspend the Constitution even though the charlatan was on the phone telling him to shut up. Do you have eyes to see or no? Have faith in God, not men, and especially not men who get constant publicity from CNN (no matter if you enjoy watching their heds splode or not). The jab alone, whether he facilitated it because of ignorance or malevolence, is reason enough for me to say, this tool is worthless to us. And do you know what? He still isn't saying anything new. So how is your argument that he's still recruiting people something I should buy? All the fans Trump has, he has had for years. The smart ones are like TheTexan--ex-fans.

You give Trump way, way too much credit. He is categorically not moving the ball down the field. That alone is reason enough for them to prop him up. You keep accusing me of saying that this wave of discontent was part of their plan, and that's why I think Trump was foisted upon us. This wave of discontent was something we created. Trump is simply their tool to piss on the edges of the fire and keep it from spreading. And since he talks like a third grade bully, he's as easy for people with a taste for decorum to hate as he is for dannno and Swordsmyth to love. He is divisive. Divide the enemy, beat them in detail, and conquer them. Sound familiar?

These people aren't computers. They don't have to have their code rewritten to switch strategies, and when they switch strategies, they will not announce it. There won't be a new name and copyright date popping up when they reboot. You won't be able to tell by the way they outwardly react to specific input. Thinking they must is just another way to underestimate them.

Do you have kids? Have you really never even once stopped a kid from whining for the latest thing in toys by taking his or her favorite existing toy away, then giving it back to them after a while? Maybe you're not underestimating them. Maybe you're overestimating your own ability to resist that psychology. But I would like you to tell me this, if you want to continue this. If people weren't convinced that the GOP contains their savior, what would they be doing about this mess? Flocking to the LP? Revolting? Getting out of control, perhaps?

Doesn't look like a long term strategy to you? Their long term strategy is totalitarian world government. And I don't think they consider the GOP necessary for much longer.

You do keep avowing that any point of view but yours is ridiculous. But there are a lot of people noticing...

We need Trump to fix it ... wait ... he doubled spending ... never mind.

... while you just keep singing...



You were warned to expect false prophets about now. Weren't you?

Whether it "can" or "can't" be done, it's self-defeating. It's like if the Roman army were to catapult bundles of freshly slaughtered beef to the barbarian horde. No one in their right mind intentionally strengthens their enemy and weakens themselves. It is objectively against the interests of the Deep State for a sizable minority of the American public to be awake to what they're really up to. Look at this latest headline with Janet Yellen saying we can certainly afford two wars. Everyone who isn't a dyed-blue Democrat or yellow-bellied RINO can plainly see that this is just the printing-press speaking. That was not true in 2016. Something has significantly shifted in the domestic political landscape, and this shift objectively constitutes an existential threat to the DC Establishment / Deep State.

Yes. But I don't see that as a sign of strength on their part. Supreme skill in lying is a sign that the liar is, ultimately, self-deceived. So, all their charades are really symptoms of their weakness, not their strength. And if those other charades have a purpose, it is to keep the public discussion on any topic except one: the central bank. And here we are, in 2023, having a broad public discussion about the dangers of central banking to the economy and our political system. That is precisely the public discussion that we're not supposed to be having... we're supposed to talk about Tic-Tac UFOs or non-terrestrial biological matter or Sasquatch or Elvis sightings or anything in the world except the central bank. So, this is a big fat L in the Deep State column...

... which Trump had exactly nothing to do with. He has never, ever badmouthed the Fed, any more than he has questioned the MIC, Israel, or his damned jab. Never. The worst thing he ever, ever said about the Fed is it wasn't printing fast enough to suit him, and I dare you to find a clip that proves me wrong on this. So, how is keeping Trump around harming them, again, on that subject? He hasn't been a weapon against the Fed. He's distracting people from the subject, like a lightning rod running that destructive energy harmlessly to ground. I'm extremely unclear on the concept that they can't withstand his attack, when that attack still hasn't happened.

 

[ClaytonB]

... which Trump had exactly nothing to do with. He has never, ever badmouthed the Fed, any more than he has questioned the MIC or his damned jab. Never.

You're welcome. We worked very, very hard with Ron Paul in 2007-2008 to get that cat out of the bag, and make sure they could never get it back in. If, as you say, you don't think they're stupid, then why do you keep saying they wouldn't have sense enough to play the cards as they lay, and would instead play this hand like it contains the exact same cards as the previous hand? Because it isn't 2006 any more, and anyone who thinks they can't adapt is woefully underestimating them. Period.

OK, but I've been tacking libertarian since 2007 and even earlier, so I'm not actually as lost/confused as you seem to think I am. RP 2008 conclusively proved that the Mr. Smith Goes To Washington-strategy cannot work against the DC Swamp. They are too deeply entrenched and if you try to play by "the rules", you are guaranteed to lose, because they have already rigged all the rules. So, citing 2008 proves nothing about the rightness/wrongness of Trump's methods except to say that whatever strategy will eventually work against the DC Swamp, it won't be a 2008 reprise. What I'm saying is that the fact that Trump looks/acts nothing like Ron Paul 2008 is a virtue, not because there's anything wrong with Dr. Paul, but because the strategy behind his 2008 run was doomed to fail and we can now clearly see why. And yes, thank you to Dr. Paul and his team for actually putting himself out there and doing that grueling hard work to make an honest run for POTUS and force the DC Swamp to play its hand on that battlefront. Without his tireless work for the cause of liberty, we would already be hut-hutting through the mud-streets of a FEMA camp and belting marching cadences like, "I love me a plate of bugs in the morning".

I can't force you to see the sense in it. All I can do is make sense, and see if all the cents fall out of the hole in your pocket. The concept really isn't that difficult. If you don't see it, that's not because the sense isn't there, and it's not because you don't have enough brains. It's because you don't care to see it for whatever reason. It is simple enough. But, hey, here we go again, because why not?

No, the reason is that it is possible that the good guys (aka "patriots") caught on to what has been going on for these past decades, and took effective action to put a stop it. Aka Q-theory. Is it actually true? I don't know, but I certainly want it to be true. Can the DS dangle that like a carrot to manipulate me? No, they really cannot, because I'm not a Q-tard or MAGA-head. "I want it to be true" and "it's true" are two things that I am grown-up enough to keep separate.

We worked like dogs to bring that to pass, while it was still possible, before they locked down the search logarithms. You know the time of which I speak. Trump was still a Democrat at the time.
Wasn't he?

Right, but you have this black-pill tendency, specifically in respect to this idea of them "snapping the trap". As though there comes a moment when "it's too late" and "resistance is futile" and "they've already taken over." I certainly didn't get that memo and I consider my "clued-out" status in that regard to be a strategic asset. I won't take the black-bill and I know that is part of the reason God has put me here... specifically to reject the black-pill no matter how dire we are being told our situation supposedly is. For someone who sees themselves as a multi-dimensional chess master, I don't understand how you fail to see the obvious point that propaganda is an activity of those who can lose power. No prison warden needs propaganda, not in the political sense. The prison is the propaganda. He doesn't need propaganda because he already has absolute power over the inmates. So, if we're so dead and done-for, if they've already snapped the trap, then what do they need all this propaganda for? Seems to me that an omnipotent prison warden wouldn't be having weird sh!t happen, you know, like his personal chef turning up dead in a few feet of water in his backyard lake. But I guess I'm just 'tarded at 3D-chess...

If Trump had revealed one single thing that we didn't already know, I might feel differently. But he said nothing--nothing at all--that we and Ron Paul didn't teach him how to regurgitate. What became of his campaign promise to open the 9/11 files? What became of his campaign promise to open the JFK files? Why is he so careful not to even mention non-intervention, or the Fed? You keep talking like he's doing one damned thing besides preaching to an already existing choir. He is not. You act like he will really do something if reinstalled. But he didn't do much good last time, unless you're either Pfizer, or one of the banks that owns the Fed. Hell, the man didn't even find someone competent to investigate that "election", and refused to acknowledge the competent people who investigated it on their own.

If those battering-ram strategies are so effective against the Swamp, they would have worked in 2008. The point is that blasting through the front-doors guns-blazing can't work, and the DS knows it. The whole reason they were so audacious to pull all these stunts to begin with is because they know that Susie Q Soccer-Mom cannot even begin to process the concept of the government itself staging a terror attack, for real. As a sinister movie-plot, sure, but it's a movie-plot precisely because it's so unbelievable. The idea that reality really is stranger than fiction is precisely the idea that suburbia has been architected to remove from the set of thinkable thoughts for its inhabitants. You keep pointing out the futility of repeating a failed-strategy, but then you're criticizing Trump for not repeating a failed-strategy (for not being a rerun of 2008 Ron Paul). If it didn't work the first time, it's not going to work a second time. Once again, I'm not a Trumper, I still can't tell for sure if he's a good-guy or not. But I want to believe he is, and I want someone -- anyone -- to implement an actually effective strategy against the DC Swamp. And Q-theory -- as bizarre as it is -- is one model for what such an effective strategy might actually look like. If you want to defeat the Clowns, you're going to have to put on face-paint and start juggling... there's no other way to do it. Just walking into the Circus and pointing out, matter-of-fact, that what they are doing is insane and will eventually destroy the entire country, is an absolute waste-of-time. That was proved conclusively in 2008. I don't care about "getting to the bottom of 9/11", not in respect to defeating the DC Swamp, anyway. It's just dead-weight that doesn't move the mission forward. What moves the mission forward is building critical mass in the form of awakened minds, meaning, American citizens who understand that their once-great country has been infiltrated by a fifth-column of traitors and moles, and power has been hijacked from We The People by this crew, whoever they are. Identifying them and driving them out is a supremely difficult task because they are playing on a board that is not only far larger than the straitjacket of political rules, they have rigged the entire gameboard. We have to defeat them in a swordfight while hog-tied. If it's possible to defeat them, it will not be by trying to roll in their direction to seize their sword and stab them with it. We're going to have think a little more strategically than that.

So how is your argument that he's still recruiting people something I should buy? All the fans Trump has, he has had for years. The smart ones are like TheTexan--ex-fans.

I'm like those classic Western movies where they put their ear on the railroad track to hear if a train is coming. I can't tell you what is going to happen with Trump. My hope is that the Q-theory will turn out to be true, at least, those parts of it that have to do with defeating the DC Swamp from within, etc. Improbable? Yes. But I'm hoping against hope. The other alternative is the biblical Apocalypse. I've spent years now preparing my heart for that outcome, as well. So, ultimately, it's really just a question of what is God's will.

You give Trump way, way too much credit. He is categorically not moving the ball down the field. That alone is reason enough for them to prop him up.

That is a possibility. That is why I punish myself by having debates with you on this topic. I may be too inclined to believe in Q-theory, etc. I want all the reasons not to believe.

But I would like you to tell me this, if you want to continue this. If people weren't convinced that the GOP contains their savior, what would they be doing about this mess? Flocking to the LP? Revolting? Getting out of control, perhaps?

Perhaps. That is one of the theories I have gamed out. But I'm not so sure that LP is the answer. I was massively encouraged by the LPMC takeover, and I hope that front continues to build steam. LPMC is definitely much more of what we need, in terms of policy changes, than the GOP has been for probably five decades or more. So, not disagreeing on this one... keeping people corralled into the two-party system, no matter what, is definitely a DC Swamp win.

He hasn't been a weapon against the Fed. He's distracting people from the subject. I'm extremely unclear on the concept that they can't withstand his attack, when that attack still hasn't happened.

Well, Trump's "attack" up until now has mainly consisted in his non-need to comply with the DC Swamp, and publicly so. This is like the scene in the film Gladiator when Maximus defies Commodus and refuses to execute the gladiator he has just defeated. In itself, what threat was that act to Commodus? None. But we all understand that it really was a threat, in fact, it's one of the most potent threats that could be made. A common gladiator defying the emperor in this way was really claiming to be greater than the emperor. What has the DC Swamp been squealing about for the better part of a decade in respect to Trump? He just won't play by "the rules", he just does what he wants. So, Trump did not need to make any specific threat against the DC Swamp to be an existential threat to that entire Establishment. Did he flub a golden opportunity in 2020? I don't know, maybe he did. I'm still hoping Q-theory is true, and we'll just have to see how 2024 plays out.

 

[acptulsa]

OK, but I've been tacking libertarian since 2007 and even earlier, so I'm not actually as lost/confused as you seem to think I am. RP 2008 conclusively proved that the Mr. Smith Goes To Washington-strategy cannot work against the DC Swamp.

I did not say you were lost. And I was talking about 2007 because we were accomplishing those things while Trump was still a Democrat floating "trial balloons".

So, citing 2008 proves nothing about the rightness/wrongness of Trump's methods except to say that whatever strategy will eventually work against the DC Swamp, it won't be a 2008 reprise.

Clearly, since Trump's trial balloons at the time were so tame as to be lame.

And I think Massie would be able to do better than Ron Paul did, given that the political climate has changed, were Trump not sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

Right, but you have this black-pill tendency... So, if we're so dead and done-for, if they've already snapped the trap, then what do they need all this propaganda for?

In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, there you go again. You may consider the fact that Trump is controlled opposition a "black pill", but I do not, as I have never considered Trump a viable option at all. But I do think we have viable options. Do I need to post a laundry list of those every time I talk about the orange buffoon, just so you don't go wait, if Trump's not for real then we're sunk?

If you want to defeat the Clowns, you're going to have to put on face-paint and start juggling... there's no other way to do it. Just walking into the Circus and pointing out, matter-of-fact, that what they are doing is insane and will eventually destroy the entire country, is an absolute waste-of-time. That was proved conclusively in 2008.

It's a point. But, my friend, I cannot myself imagine a more bitter black pill than, people cannot evolve a higher sensibility. That's something I refuse to swallow. Yes, many will refuse to pull their heads from the sand. But I see lots of people that I would never have believed could do so seeing and hearing the things they were always resistant to before.

But I don't see any changes in Trump. He won't even say, don't take my jab.

I don't care about "getting to the bottom of 9/11", not in respect to defeating the DC Swamp, anyway. It's just dead-weight that doesn't move the mission forward. What moves the mission forward is building critical mass in the form of awakened minds, meaning, American citizens who understand that their once-great country has been infiltrated by a fifth-column of traitors and moles, and power has been hijacked from We The People by this crew, whoever they are.

Between WWII and the yellowcake uranium hoax, it was never difficult to frog-march the American populace into war. Oh, there were draft riots in the 1960s, but never resistance to flitting about bombing brown people because pretext. Now, not so much. And that's good. Again, who's dealing out the "black pill" here?

I'm like those classic Western movies where they put their ear on the railroad track to hear if a train is coming. I can't tell you what is going to happen with Trump. My hope is that the Q-theory will turn out to be true, at least, those parts of it that have to do with defeating the DC Swamp from within, etc. Improbable? Yes. But I'm hoping against hope. The other alternative is the biblical Apocalypse.

I've always disagreed with that black pill too. But now that they're rewriting our DNA, trying to invent machines to think for us, and threatening to rebuild that temple, I'm now thinking that we're pretty much out of time to delay the Day of Reckoning. I never pictured my generation fucking up that bad, but sometimes I overestimate people.

So, not disagreeing on this one... keeping people corralled into the two-party system, no matter what, is definitely a DC Swamp win.

It's a major win. It's the Jets opening the season beating the reigning champs. A huge victory.

This is like the scene in the film Gladiator when Maximus defies Commodus and refuses to execute the gladiator he has just defeated. In itself, what threat was that act to Commodus? None. But we all understand that it really was a threat, in fact, it's one of the most potent threats that could be made. A common gladiator defying the emperor in this way was really claiming to be greater than the emperor.

Now, see, I don't see that as a greater issue than keeping us corralled in the two party system. One reason why is, LBJ and George HWB were really the only two actual swamp movers and shakers to hold the office personally in my lifetime, and the rest have been pure figureheads. They have always had a team mentality, to some degree, and the real power has long been content to make like the Wizard of Oz and pull their levers from behind the curtain. To the people behind that curtain, a figurehead who people believe to be too belligerent to obey anyone is a huge asset.

Again, today is not business as usual. Until now, they have indeed worked at putting a kind and competent face on their puppets. Fetterman alone proves this is no longer the case, much less the idiot Dubya, or the senile bastard in the office today. They seem to me to have pivoted one hundred and eighty degrees. Now these totalitarians seem to be determined to rub our noses in the fact that Mencken was right, that we couldn't pick a decent candidate on a dare. In that case, the clownification is just another step on the road to Big Brother. Because if they prove "democracy" don't work, then the statists will swear fealty to whomever takes the throne.

He just won't play by "the rules", he just does what he wants. So, Trump did not need to make any specific threat against the DC Swamp to be an existential threat to that entire Establishment.

Let's play a little more game theory. The Anti-Christ, if there is indeed only one and whomever he may be, doesn't have to be a man of God. He just needs to convince the semi-unrepentant (those who repent with their lips, but not with their hearts) that he's a man of God.

Likewise, Trump must be labeled a rebel to take control of the rebellion. So, whether they say he runs contrary to the rules is non-evidence. The proof is in the pudding. And in that four years, he killed no sacred cows at all. What hard and fast rules did he actually break? Did he audit the Fed, reveal CIA secrets, cut the offens--er, I mean "defense" budget, eliminate any federal agency, march any troops home, cede any power back to the states, or do any of the things Ron Paul promised to do? Nothing major, man. Smells like he played by the rules to me.

You don't seem to have faith in the population's ability to evolve their understanding, but you seem to have quite a bit of faith that your orange leopard will change his spots. Or, rather, that he'll finally start living up to his spots. Well, the public has developed a very, very strong set of good reasons to develop our flinty view of Washington. And Trump? Not so much. He doesn't do what he promises, but gets support anyway. He finances a death jab, and everyone gives him a pass and puts the blame (rightly) on Fauci and (not so much, IMO) the guy who didn't get sworn in until the deed was done. He's the first president in history to run on a platform of bribery is simply a necessary business expense, then people like dannno swear he left office poorer than he went in.

He has no reason to change. Indeed, the fact that he's running for a second term means he will be a lame duck, and will have no reason to represent us at all.

He's a clown, all right. But I'd really, really rather have someone who hasn't already proven in office that he's not the rule breaker he styles himself to be.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

You cannot possibly know that, you're just repeating the indictment like a parrot.

Which is why I referred to what he is accused of. Although you'd have to be like Tommy (deaf, dumb, and blind) to believe he did none of the acts alleged in the indictment.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Nope... He asked Pence to send it back to congress to investigate the vote fraud, to determine if the alternate elector slates should be used. That's not exactly unilateral.

Things neither Pence nor Congress had the authority to do. Read the 12th Amendment and the Electoral Count Act.

He asked state officials to find illegitimate votes, not legitimate ones. That's kind of important.

It's also irrelevant once the electors had been certified by the state authorities and the safe harbor date under the ECA had passed.

 

[RJB]

Great ruling. Everyone knows that words = violence. Debate is a threat to our democracy and free speech.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Great ruling. Everyone knows that words = violence. Debate is a threat to our democracy and free speech.

The Marxist left - "You threaten our power. STFU or go to gulag!"

The "Opposition" - "Well, you make a valid point, he did say say many mean things, let us shake hands and have a fair-diddly election, by gum!"

 

[ClaytonB]

In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, there you go again. You may consider the fact that Trump is controlled opposition a "black pill", but I do not, as I have never considered Trump a viable option at all. But I do think we have viable options. Do I need to post a laundry list of those every time I talk about the orange buffoon, just so you don't go wait, if Trump's not for real then we're sunk?

Let me clarify my position: we need someone who has the values of Ron Paul, and the "punching power" of Donald Trump. By "punching power", I am only referring to Trump's tactical ability to trade jabs with the Jim Acostas of the media, the Deep State's attack-dogs. Trump is an unquestioned master of verbal/Tweet slug-festing. We need that with the values of a Ron Paul or Massie. Ron Paul is a great statesman and he can hold his own in a battle of wits, but he was a Floyd Mayweather where we needed a Mike Tyson. Heavyweight is heavyweight and all the skill in the world can't make up the gap between welterweight and heavyweight.

I've always disagreed with that black pill too. But now that they're rewriting our DNA, trying to invent machines to think for us, and threatening to rebuild that temple, I'm now thinking that we're pretty much out of time to delay the Day of Reckoning. I never pictured my generation $#@!ing up that bad, but sometimes I overestimate people.

Yeah, I didn't think it would be my generation, either. But here we are.... the signs are truly everywhere and the only way to miss them is to have your head buried in the sand: traveling, clubbing or "influencing" on IG...

Now, see, I don't see that as a greater issue than keeping us corralled in the two party system. One reason why is, LBJ and George HWB were really the only two actual swamp movers and shakers to hold the office personally in my lifetime, and the rest have been pure figureheads. They have always had a team mentality, to some degree, and the real power has long been content to make like the Wizard of Oz and pull their levers from behind the curtain. To the people behind that curtain, a figurehead who people believe to be too belligerent to obey anyone is a huge asset.

OK, but there's the illusion, and then there's the reality. AFAICT, Trump is no illusion. He's the real-deal bull-in-a-china-shop. Could that just be a false perception? Possibly, but unlikely.

Again, today is not business as usual. Until now, they have indeed worked at putting a kind and competent face on their puppets. Fetterman alone proves this is no longer the case, much less the idiot Dubya, or the senile bastard in the office today. They seem to me to have pivoted one hundred and eighty degrees. Now these totalitarians seem to be determined to rub our noses in the fact that Mencken was right, that we couldn't pick a decent candidate on a dare. In that case, the clownification is just another step on the road to Big Brother. Because if they prove "democracy" don't work, then the statists will swear fealty to whomever takes the throne.

Sorry, that's black-pill. Let me explain my view of what constitutes black-pill, for the benefit of lurkers. Black-pill is summed up in that propaganda video they keep pushing on YT titled, "Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick." If you believe that, you're already lost, nothing can be done to save you. Those who want to believe "they" have already gamed out every possible scenario like Dr. Strange, or something, are just doomers, and nothing can be done to rescue them. While it is true that the DC Swamp is vastly more deceptive and manipulative than any ordinary citizen could even begin to guess, the fact is that they are just the heirs of a very old enterprise, and all its tricks are documented in the pages of history for those willing to go to the Source and actually learn, rather than repeat the past. The DC Swamp has no originality whatsoever -- they cannot have, because they are locked into the game of absolute-power, and that game can only be played by "proven winning strategies", that is, they can only repeat strategies copied from history, which worked in the past. They can never create anything new. This is simultaneously their greatest strength and their greatest weakness. "From now on I will tell you of new things, of hidden things unknown to you. They are created now, and not long ago; You have not heard of them before today. So you cannot say, ‘Yes, I knew of them.’" (Isaiah 48:6,7) "They", like all the rest of us, have an appointment with their Creator. Their day draws nigh...

The proof is in the pudding. And in that four years, he killed no sacred cows at all. What hard and fast rules did he actually break? Did he audit the Fed, reveal CIA secrets, cut the offens--er, I mean "defense" budget, eliminate any federal agency, march any troops home, cede any power back to the states, or do any of the things Ron Paul promised to do? Nothing major, man. Smells like he played by the rules to me.

True as far as it goes. But I don't think this is the right standard, and I think that the manipulativeness of the DC Swamp proves that. You can't just kick in the front doors, guns blazing. It's been tried, and it's guaranteed to fail. The DC Swamp is meticulously schooled in the history of power, and so the status quo is really an equilibrium that has emerged over, not decades, centuries of struggle for power. Q-theory offers an explanation (excuse?) for why Trump did not do more, 2017-2021. I want that theory to be true. It will only be proven true if Trump gets off his butt and starts enacting effectual changes for freedom and a return to the founding values of America. If, going into 2024, it's just more of the same, "I wish I could change things, but we have to keep playing the long-game", then there's no question that he's just been stalling the whole time, and the worst constructions of him are likely true. So, I am continuing to monitor that side of things to see how it plays out.

He has no reason to change. Indeed, the fact that he's running for a second term means he will be a lame duck, and will have no reason to represent us at all.

He's a clown, all right. But I'd really, really rather have someone who hasn't already proven in office that he's not the rule breaker he styles himself to be.

I don't have anything to contradict those points except that I hope that Q-theory is true. It's an irrational hope. But it's what there is, for now. And in the end, my hope is in God, who is over all. So the real question is, how is God going to accomplish our salvation...

 

[acptulsa]

Sorry, that's black-pill. Let me explain my view of what constitutes black-pill, for the benefit of lurkers. Black-pill is summed up in that propaganda video they keep pushing on YT titled, "Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick." If you believe that, you're already lost, nothing can be done to save you. Those who want to believe "they" have already gamed out every possible scenario like Dr. Strange, or something, are just doomers, and nothing can be done to rescue them.

And I consider that a black pill, because we can damned well beat them at their own game half the time (and do, the lapdog media is not winning the meme war), and simply refuse to play their game quite often too. We've also taken a page from their playbook and simply changed the rules on them more than once. Just because they have a plan is no guarantee it'll work.

If, going into 2024, it's just more of the same, "I wish I could change things, but we have to keep playing the long-game", then there's no question that he's just been stalling the whole time, and the worst constructions of him are likely true. So, I am continuing to monitor that side of things to see how it plays out.

I already have some ideas how it'll play out. While we're giving Trump a second chance, they'll be using the four years he buys them to try to get Agenda 2030 cemented firmly in place. If "they have a plan" is a black pill, it's because we're all too often sucker enough to give them all the time in the world to carry it out.

I don't have anything to contradict those points except that I hope that Q-theory is true. It's an irrational hope. But it's what there is, for now. And in the end, my hope is in God, who is over all. So the real question is, how is God going to accomplish our salvation...

I believe there's some truth to "Q Theory" (which to my mind is a strange name for people of conscience burrowing from within). I just don't see even a mote of evidence that Trump has a conscience.

You're a coder, aren't you? How do I hack my Android and search out and destroy autoincorrect? If I had meant note, I'd not have typed mote. The first time, or this time either.

 

[ClaytonB]

And I consider that a black pill, because we can damned well beat them at their own game half the time (and do, the lapdog media is not winning the meme war), and simply refuse to play their game quite often too. We've also taken a page from their playbook and simply changed the rules on them more than once. Just because they have a plan is no guarantee it'll work.

Sure, there is a time to meet them face-to-face and slog it out. But an important principle of battlefield strategy is to never let your enemy dictate the terms of battle. Until we have a position on the battlefield that is strategically favorable, we must continue jockeying for position. That's the part where we have to put on clown-paint and juggle, and keep juggling until it's time to pull out the daggers and close distance for close-quarters battle...

I already have some ideas how it'll play out. While we're giving Trump a second chance, they'll be using the four years he buys them to try to get Agenda 2030 cemented firmly in place.

Yeah, I guess that's one possibility. But I can walk and chew bubble-gum at the same time and I'm confident that many of my fellow Americans can also do that.

Let's put Trump completely out of the picture for a moment. How's the Deep State really doing? How successful are they, actually? Well, I can clearly see the many weapons of social control at their disposal... everything from Internet censorship, to AI large-language models, to biotechnology, to you-name-it. And yet, somehow, they keep spectacularly failing to accomplish basic strategic objectives like, you know, actually imposing social controls such as masking and vaccine-mandates. Those are pretty basic control measures -- the CCP has had no problems at all imposing them to the absolute hilt. So, there's a contradiction: the DC Swamp has 1,000 times the amount of absolute power that the CCP does, and yet, somehow, the Swamp is unable to impose even very basic social controls that the CCP has imposed in its sleep. Something is causing this disconnect. If not Trump, if not Q, then let us call it the hand of God which, in the end, it certainly is. So, as I see it, this is the real white-pill and I think that we would do well to keep people's eyes pointed in this direction, regardless of what other additional measures may be ventured (e.g. running a rockstar LP candidate).

You're a coder, aren't you? How do I hack my Android and search out and destroy autoincorrect? If I had meant note, I'd not have typed mote. The first time, or this time either.

I hate phones so I have no idea, sorry. Web-search AI says the following, I have no idea if it's correct or not:

To disable autocorrect on an Android device, there are several methods available.1 One way is to go to the Settings app and open the "Language and input" menu.2 Then, slide the toggle next to "Auto-correction" to deactivate it. Another method is to open the keyboard and long-press on the comma key, then tap the gear icon that appears.3 Alternatively, you can swipe down twice from the top of your Android smartphone or tablet's screen to reveal the Quick Settings toggles and tap the gear icon.4 Alternatively, you can go to Settings > System & updates > Languages and input > Keyboards > Gboard or Virtual keyboard > Gboard.03 Once you turn off autocorrect, your Android won't change what you type or offer predictive text options.2

 

[acptulsa]

Sure, there is a time to meet them face-to-face and slog it out. But an important principle of battlefield strategy is to never let your enemy dictate the terms of battle.

Indeed, don't even let them choose the battlefield.

So, there's a contradiction: the DC Swamp has 1,000 times the amount of absolute power that the CCP does, and yet, somehow, the Swamp is unable to impose even very basic social controls that the CCP has imposed in its sleep. Something is causing this disconnect.

Sorry, [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION], but there's something to be said for being the place that all the malcontents immigrated to. Of course, in those days immigrants weren't fed, watered and provided wifi for their phones as they came. But for thousands of years China has been a place people with gumption leave behind, not a place they flock to.

Web-search AI says the following, I have no idea if it's correct or not:

One way to find out. Thanks!

 

[Anti Federalist]

Sorry, [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION], but there's something to be said for being the place that all the malcontents immigrated to. Of course, in those days immigrants weren't fed, watered and provided wifi for their phones as they came. But for thousands of years China has been a place people with gumption leave behind, not a place they flock to.

Zuh?

Almost all of western expansion and exploration and the following colonization and conquering of the seas, was based on finding the fastest trade routes to China and the Far East.

Hong Kong is an international mecca of immigration and trade.

For years we had people on this site extolling the virtues of communist China, in regards to how easy it was, supposedly, to do business there.

The difference is, the Chinese have not been infected with the alien mind virus. They could allow 100 million invaders in, that would not change, culturally, one single thing, unless the Chinese wanted it that way. And if they found out it was changing the nation in an unacceptable manner, they would have no problem rounding up non Chinese and tossing them out, tout de suite.

not a place they flock to

With 8 billion people on the planet, most of them that are hostile to everything Western Civilization is, and has done, and represents, you cannot allow them to invade.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1692399889550909499

 

[Philhelm]

I had to look that one up.

Then I busted a gut laughing.

You sailors have the best lingo.

I'd +rep you, but I'm out.

If I ever need a ship captain, it's definitely going to be Anti Federalist. Especially if Dutch Rudders are on the table!

 

[Anti Globalist]

Trump has broken so many gag orders at this point it's surprising he hasn't been thrown in jail yet. He's literally just daring them to do it.

 

[69360]

She definitely helped him. He would be expected to rage tweet and make the usual ass of himself, and now he has an excuse not to do it.

Doesn't change the fact that doing all this to a presidential candidate is unprecedented and a threat to the republic. Also doesn't change the fact that he's charged with doing things that a great many Democrats have also done.

It's selective prosecution, no doubt. Yes democrats have done some of the same things and got away with it. Doesn't make him not guilty of them. He is going to lose his trials.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Judge Threatens to Hold Trump in Contempt After Deleted Post is Found on Campaign Website

https://www.breitbart.com/news/judg...er-deleted-post-is-found-on-campaign-website/

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NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial judge threatened Friday to hold the former president in contempt, raising the possibility of fining or even jailing him because a disparaging social media post about a key court staffer remained visible for weeks on his campaign website after the judge had ordered it deleted.

Judge Arthur Engoron said the website’s retention of the post was a “blatant violation” of his Oct. 3 order requiring Trump to immediately delete the offending message. The limited gag order, hours after Trump made the post on the trial’s second day, also barred him and others involved in the case from personal attacks on members of Engoron’s judicial staff.

Engoron did not immediately rule on potentially sanctioning Trump, the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, but noted that “in this current overheated climate” incendiary posts can and have led to harm.

Trump, who returned to the trial Tuesday and Wednesday after attending the first three days, wasn’t in court on Friday. During his appearance this week, he reserved his enmity for Engoron and New York Attorney General Letitia James, whose fraud lawsuit is being decided at the civil trial. Neither are covered by Engoron’s limited gag order.

Trump lawyer Christopher Kise blamed the “very large machine” of Trump’s presidential campaign for allowing a version of his deleted social media post to remain on his website, calling it an unintentional oversight.

Engoron, however, said the buck ultimately stops with Trump — even if it was someone on his campaign who failed to remove the offending post.

“I’ll take this under advisement,” Engoron said after Kise explained the mechanics of how Trump’s post was able to remain online. “But I want to be clear that Donald Trump is still responsible for the large machine even if it’s a large machine.”

Engoron issued a limited gag order on Oct. 3 barring all participants in the case not to smear court personnel after Trump publicly maligned his principal law clerk, Allison Greenfield, in what the judge deemed a ”disparaging, untrue and personally identifying” Truth Social post. The judge ordered Trump to delete the post, which he did, and warned of “serious sanctions” for violations.

The post included a photo of Greenfield, posing with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., at a public event. With it, Trump wrote that it was “disgraceful” that Greenfield was working with Engoron on the case.

Before Trump deleted the post from his Truth Social platform, as ordered, his campaign copied the message into an email blast. That email, with the subject line “ICYMI,” was automatically archived on Trump’s website, Kise said.

The email was sent to about 25,800 recipients on the campaign’s media list and opened by about 6,700 of them, Kise told Engoron after obtaining the statistics at the morning break. In all, only 3,700 people viewed the post on Trump’s campaign website, the lawyer said.

“What happened appears truly inadvertent,” Kise said. The lawyer pleaded ignorance to the technological complexities involved in amplifying Trump’s social media posts and public statements, calling the archiving “an unfortunate part of the campaign process.”

“President Trump has not made any statements of any kind about court staff, has abided by the order completely, but it appears no one also took down the ICYMI — in case you missed it — link that is in the campaign website in the back pages,” Kise explained.

New York law allows judges to impose fines or imprisonment as punishment for contempt. Last year, Engoron held Trump in contempt and fined him $110,000 for being slow to respond to a subpoena in the investigation that led to the lawsuit.

James’ lawsuit accuses Trump and his company of duping banks and insurers by giving them heavily inflated statements of Trump’s net worth and asset values. Engoron has already ruled that Trump and his company committed fraud, but the trial involves remaining claims of conspiracy, insurance fraud and falsifying business records.

 

[acptulsa]

https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/status/1715389715900207323

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1716555218500866134
to: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1716556003284566078