Judge Napolitano flat-out lies about Ted Cruz on Fox News

[TaftFan]

I am so disappointed in Judge Napolitano. Beyond words.

From Fox News: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/23/judge-napolitanos-constitutional-disagreements-ted-cruz

"Napolitano also said his "heart sank" when he heard Cruz talk about a "federal right to education"

Naturally, I had to find out the truth. I watched the speech. Here is what Ted Cruz said in his speech, word for word:

"Instead of a federal government which seeks to dictate curriculum through Common Core. Imagine repealing every word of Common Core. Imagine embracing school choice as the civil rights issue of the next generation. That every single child, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, regardless of wealth or zip code, every child in America has a right to a quality education."

 

[phill4paul]

I am so disappointed in Judge Napolitano. Beyond words.

From Fox News: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/23/judge-napolitanos-constitutional-disagreements-ted-cruz

"Napolitano also said his "heart sank" when he heard Cruz talk about a "federal right to education"

Naturally, I had to find out the truth. I watched the speech. Here is what Ted Cruz said in his speech, word for word:

"Instead of a federal government which seeks to dictate curriculum through Common Core. Imagine repealing every word of Common Core. Imagine embracing school choice as the civil rights issue of the next generation. That every single child, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, regardless of wealth or zip code, every child in America has a right to a quality education."

Someone has to pay for it. Is Cruz for getting rid of the D.O.E.?

 

[TaftFan]

Someone has to pay for it. Is Cruz for getting rid of the D.O.E.?

His point is that poor kids should not be trapped in public schools. Put the money with the child, not the school. Allow competition in education.
Yes, he is for eliminating the Doe.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

The idea that "every child has a right to a quality education" and viewing education as a right instead of a good is a very proggy idea.

 

[orenbus]

Is the sticking point the word "federal"? What if he meant individual state right to education, assuming k-12? How is any of this any different than what we have now?

 

[TaftFan]

The idea that "every child has a right to a quality education" and viewing education as a right instead of a good is a very proggy idea.

When people say a kid has a right to an education, they aren't being philosophical. In the context of this, the point is that they are being deprived from it thanks to the federal and state governments.

We are getting away from the topic of the thread, which is that Napolitano claimed Cruz supported a "federal right to education" which is obviously a falsehood.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The idea that "every child has a right to a quality education" and viewing education as a right instead of a good is a very proggy idea.

Yeah, that's probably the rub with Napolitano. Defining goods or services that must be provided by others as "rights" sometimes leads to problems.

The statement by Cruz was fairly vague, but certainly leads to questions about how this new "right" to "quality education" would be implemented.

 

[TaftFan]

Is the sticking point the word "federal"? What if he meant individual state right to education, assuming k-12? How is any of this any different than what we have now?

I believe Napolitano put the word "federal" in Cruz's mouth because he wanted to show Cruz as not being as constitutionally-strict as Rand Paul.

And as I mention below, this wasn't a philosophical discussion on rights. Cruz's point is that government is making it hard for children to get a quality education. That is wrong. A quality education is something we should all want for children.

 

[Henry Rogue]

Does school choice mean voucher? Vouchers for public schools may not have much of an affect on prices, but vouchers for private schools could have a devastating affect on the market clearing price. Subsidies distort markets.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

His point is that poor kids should not be trapped in public schools. Put the money with the child, not the school. Allow competition in education.
Yes, he is for eliminating the DoD.

The DOD? Now that would be news.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I am so disappointed in Judge Napolitano. Beyond words.

From Fox News: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/23/judge-napolitanos-constitutional-disagreements-ted-cruz

"Napolitano also said his "heart sank" when he heard Cruz talk about a "federal right to education"

Naturally, I had to find out the truth. I watched the speech. Here is what Ted Cruz said in his speech, word for word:

"Instead of a federal government which seeks to dictate curriculum through Common Core. Imagine repealing every word of Common Core. Imagine embracing school choice as the civil rights issue of the next generation. That every single child, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, regardless of wealth or zip code, every child in America has a right to a quality education."

What? There is a RIGHT to education? That is completely tyrannical.

 

[TaftFan]

Does school choice mean voucher? Vouchers for public schools may not have much of an affect on prices, but vouchers for private schools could have a devastating affect on the market clearing price. Subsidies distort markets.

The distortion is that private schools would be more competitive with public schools.

 

[acptulsa]

Someone has to pay for it. Is Cruz for getting rid of the D.O.E.?

The Department of Energy?

They ran out of alphabet, so the Department of Education is officially the E.D.

His point is that poor kids should not be trapped in public schools. Put the money with the child, not the school. Allow competition in education.
Yes, he is for eliminating the DoD.

The Department of Defense will be eliminated over Cruz' gory bones.

As for Judge Nap, I think he assumed facts not in evidence. But considering the context of that speech at that moment, I can certainly see how it happened...

Instead of a federal government that wages an assault on our religious liberty. That goes after hobby lobby, that goes after the little sisters of the poor, that goes after Liberty University. Imagine a federal government that stands for the first amendment rights of every American.

Instead of a federal government that works to undermine our values, imagine a federal government that works to defend the sanctity of human life. And to uphold the sacrament of marriage.

Instead of a government that works to undermine our second amendment rights, that seeks to ban our ammunition. Imagine a federal government that protects the right to keep and bear arms of all law abiding Americans.

Instead of a government that seizes your emails and your cell phones, imagine a federal government that protected the privacy rights of every American. Instead of a federal government that seeks to dictate school curriculum through common core imagine repealing every word of common core.

Imagine embracing school choices the civil rights issue of the next generation. But every single child, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, regardless of wealth or zip code, every child in America has a right to a quality education.

If he changed the subject, he certainly did an abrupt job of it.

 

[TaftFan]

What? There is a RIGHT to education? That is completely tyrannical.

I think if you pinned him down on it, he would not say that.

He was just using general language to emphasize that the government is messing up education and that the less involvement, the better.

 

[Henry Rogue]

The distortion is that private schools would be more competitive with public schools.

The distortion is that prices will increase, making it more expensive for people who previously didn’t need vouchers to send their kids to private schools. It's the exact opposite of competition. Competition pushes prices lower.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I think if you pinned him down on it, he would not say that.

He was just using general language to emphasize that the government is messing up education and that the less involvement, the better.

I disagree. Cruz is a Roman Catholic and as a matter of theology he believes that he must fight for "the common good" and that some property is common. Read my thread called "The Roman Catholic Socialist Agenda" to find out more.

 

[acptulsa]

The distortion is that prices will increase, making it more expensive for people who previously didn’t need vouchers to send their kids to private schools. It's the exact opposite of competition. Competition pushes prices lower.

Speaking of health care, and a thousand other examples...

 

[phill4paul]

The Department of Energy?

They ran out of alphabet, so the Department of Education is officially the E.D.

Thanks for the correction. Can't hit you for a rep presently.

 

[Henry Rogue]

Speaking of health care, and a thousand other examples...

Exactly.

 

[acptulsa]

Thanks for the correction. Can't hit you for a rep presently.

Of course, there are other reasons for things like that. I don't suppose I need to explain why the USDA is not fond of the acronym DOA...