Joe Biden Isn’t a Liberal or a Moderate. He’s a Christian Democrat.

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Joe Biden Isn’t a Liberal or a Moderate. He’s a Christian Democrat.

With his Iraq freedom war vote, segregationist ties and very controversial stances on gays/gay marriage pre recent evolution, Joe almost seemed like some right-wing conservative centrist Dem. But here is another characterization of his political makeup.


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June 22, 2020
Joseph R. Biden Jr. voted for the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, blocking federal recognition of same-sex marriages. Two years earlier, he voted to cut off federal funds to schools that teach the acceptance of homosexuality. In 1973, Mr. Biden, in an off-handed response to a question, wondered if homosexuals in the military or government were potential security risks.
nytimes.com/2020/06/21/us/politics/biden-gay-rights-lgbt.html
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/The_Morning_News_Tue__Sep_25__1973_.pdf

Biden had called Republican Vice President Mike Pence - a religious conservative who as Indiana governor in 2014 signed a state law banning same-sex marriage - a “decent guy”


Joe Biden Isn’t a Liberal or a Moderate. He’s a Christian Democrat.


The Democratic front-runner’s ideology has less to do with Obama or the Clintons than a distinct style of European conservatism.

By Carlo Invernizzi Accetti | March 16, 2020, 10:47 AM

Joe Biden is nothing if not familiar to Americans. After watching him in the spotlight of U.S. politics for more than four decades, there’s a natural tendency to assume one already knows the former vice president—not just his personality and biography but the character of his political ideas. It has become second nature to describe his politics with such ready-made labels as “centrist” or “moderate.”
None of these labels is entirely false. But they also obscure much of the specific content of Biden’s platform and worldview. Biden is, in fact, a moderate—but he’s of a type that will likely be less familiar at first glance to American voters.

Biden’s campaign has thus far been very different from those of recent Democratic presidential nominees. Hillary Clinton embodied a form of technocratic liberalism based on a deep-seated faith in data, free markets, and the benign nature of U.S. military hegemony abroad. None of these is prominent in Biden’s current platform, which is much more about restoring a lost unity and civility at home than pursuing a forward- or outward-looking agenda.
Similarly, there was a charge of idealistic progressivism in Barack Obama’s two successful bids for the presidency that is entirely absent from Biden’s mode of self-presentation. In fact, the most obvious reason why Obama chose Biden as his running mate on both occasions is precisely that he was intended to function as a counterpoint to Obama’s own disruptive appeal, complementing the overall message of “Change!” with a more familiar and reassuring under-melody. It is therefore a mistake to assume that Biden merely stands for “Obamaism without Obama”—and even more so to think that his campaign constitutes a reiteration of Clinton’s failed bid for the presidency in 2016.

A more fruitful comparison emerges from the obvious fact that Biden seeks to trace a middle path between Donald Trump’s far-right nationalism and Bernie Sanders’s democratic socialism. Long before the notion of a “Third Way” was appropriated by British Labour Party leader Tony Blair in the 1990s, this was a staple talking point of a specific strand of continental European conservatism, which sought to distinguish itself from both fascism on the far-right and revolutionary socialism on the far-left during the interwar and immediate postwar years: the political tradition of Christian democracy.

This is the family of political parties that came to power in most continental European countries in the aftermath of World War II under the leadership of such figures as Konrad Adenauer, Alcide De Gasperi, and Robert Schuman. But it also remains prominent today in Germany under the chancellorship of Angela Merkel and in the European Union’s Parliament and Commission, with Ursula Von der Leyen at the helm.
Biden’s two main political rivals at the moment are routinely thought of in reference to European political traditions—social democracy in the case of Sanders and far-right nationalism in the case of Trump. It’s time to do the same for Biden. The Democratic front-runner’s political ideology isn’t a watered-down version of his rivals’ or even his predecessors’. It is best understood as approximating a distinct European tradition—one that may indicate Bidenism’s ultimate legacy in the United States.

Stemming out of a 19th century intellectual endeavor to reconcile Catholic social doctrine with modern democracy, the Christian democratic ideology can be characterized in terms of three core principles: a morally tinged conception of the “natural order” as a harmonious and organically integrated society; a remedial conception of the welfare state as a way to protect social unity and stability from the threat of radical takeover; and a conception of democratic practice as a constant process of compromise and reconciliation between conflicting social interests.

Each of these three features finds a powerful echo in Biden’s current political stance and rhetoric. Consider his campaign’s constant claim that it’s involved in “a battle for the soul of America”: This points to the idea of a spiritual and ultimately existential threat against which Biden presents himself as a bulwark. The threat in question is evidently the divisive politics and abrasive style of the current U.S. president. In standing against him, Biden therefore claims to be restoring national unity and a sense of mutual civility.
This concept of America’s “soul” is given further substance by Biden’s frequent references to notions of “dignity,” “honor,” “decency,” and “hard work.” All these terms point to an idealized vision of American society as a harmonious and organically integrated order, one that rests on a foundation of mutual cooperation and a shared set of moral values—and, crucially, is temporally situated somewhere in the past. “This is not how our parents educated us” is a frequent refrain in Biden’s stump speeches.
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foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/16/joe-biden-election-liberal-moderate-christian-democrat/
 
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Biden is a career politician that has never had a real job . He has been on the dole forever . He is an old school pay to play dem . He is everything wrong with America . Sloth and corruption . Congratulations to the dem party for the longest string of worst candidates ever in the history of the world .Douchebags.
 
Biden is a socialist on economics, a cultural marxist on social issues & a Warmonger on Foreign Policy.
 
Biden is a complete and utter joke. Hasn't done a damn thing in his lustrous 40+ years as a politician. Anyone that votes for him is just as dumb as he is.
 
Biden is a career politician that has never had a real job . He has been on the dole forever . He is an old school pay to play dem . He is everything wrong with America . Sloth and corruption . Congratulations to the dem party for the longest string of worst candidates ever in the history of the world .Douchebags.

Strong statement and language.

Did not know that Dems lately rising star Biden never had a job. He was Obama VP that is mostly a cushy job (GOP VP Pence actively working as head of Coronavirus Task Force is more of an exception as one of the toughest jobs fell on his shoulders).

That said, don't think there are any clear winners in fielding the best/worst PR offcers candidates by both well funded parties.

D-String:
Bill Clinton, Obama, Hillary Clinton, Biden.

G-String:
Bush Sr, W Bush, McCain, Trump
 
Strong statement and language.

D-String:
Bill Clinton, Obama, Hillary Clinton, Biden.

G-String:
Bush Sr, W Bush, McCain, Trump

Any wonder we're in the mess we're in? I also noticed, all these presidents are post Cold War. Maybe that's something, maybe not.
 
Strong statement and language.

Did not know that Dems lately rising star Biden never had a job. He was Obama VP that is mostly a cushy job (GOP VP Pence actively working as head of Coronavirus Task Force is more of an exception as one of the toughest jobs fell on his shoulders).

That said, don't think there are any clear winners in fielding the best/worst PR offcers candidates by both well funded parties.

D-String:
Bill Clinton, Obama, Hillary Clinton, Biden.

G-String:
Bush Sr, W Bush, McCain, Trump

You forgot Gore and Kerry . Anyway , the liberals here and everywhere should be voting libertarian not biden
 
Biden is the Dunning Kruger effect personified, an arrogant grandstanding windbag now bordering on completely senile. It really is hard to believe to the Dems thought he was the best candidate to put forward but I don't think they have any intention on him actually being president in anything but name.
 
Biden is the Dunning Kruger effect personified, an arrogant grandstanding windbag now bordering on completely senile. It really is hard to believe to the Dems thought he was the best candidate to put forward but I don't think they have any intention on him actually being president in anything but name.

He is the best candidate, for the DEMS. He will be the best sock puppet president we've ever had. The Deep State and the DEM agenda will have their hand so far up his arse they will be moving his mouth.
 
Biden is the Democrats best chance of keeping the New York Democrat in office.

Check if Trump has donated to his campaign.(out of habit)
 
Biden is the Democrats best chance of keeping the New York Democrat in office.

Check if Trump has donated to his campaign.(out of habit)


Whaddaya know:

Kamala Harris received money from Donald Trump as recently as six years ago. Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner hosted a Park Avenue fundraiser for Cory Booker. Kirsten Gillibrand took in Trump family donations three times across a seven-year period
Harris, Booker and Gillibrand — along with Joe Biden, John Kerry and Terry McAuliffe — all share a common bond of receiving Trump family donations, adding another wrinkle to a crowded primary where candidates are expected to trumpet their distance from the president.
politico.com/story/2019/03/05/2020-presidential-dems-trump-money-1202938

Nice call.


Relational

Trump: 'I probably identify more as Democrat'
CNN 7.22.15

It's actually very simple. Instead of running as a Democrat, he is running GOP, so he must attack the Democrats. Some of his kids didn't get the memo though.

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Any wonder we're in the mess we're in? I also noticed, all these presidents are post Cold War. Maybe that's something, maybe not.

To me it seems like a logical and perfectly predictable progression.
My understanding has improved of politics when started looking at who the top donors and real final deciders are, a good actor could play the role of many of the 'political leaders' easily.

You forgot Gore and Kerry . Anyway , the liberals here and everywhere should be voting libertarian not biden

Good catch, missed those. But they are kinda forgetable.
 
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Biden is a socialist on economics, a cultural marxist on social issues & a Warmonger on Foreign Policy.

A dolt, Biden is a dolt.

Biden is a complete and utter joke. Hasn't done a damn thing in his lustrous 40+ years as a politician. Anyone that votes for him is just as dumb as he is.

To be devil's advocate, if he is that bad, why would America First quality folks fund/support him?

Kamala Harris received money from Donald Trump as recently as six years ago. Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner hosted a Park Avenue fundraiser for Cory Booker. Kirsten Gillibrand took in Trump family donations three times across a seven-year period
Harris, Booker and Gillibrand — along with Joe Biden, John Kerry and Terry McAuliffe — all share a common bond of receiving Trump family donations, adding another wrinkle to a crowded primary where candidates are expected to trumpet their distance from the president.
politico.com/story/2019/03/05/2020-presidential-dems-trump-money-1202938
 
To be devil's advocate, if he is that bad, why would America First quality folks fund/support him?

Kamala Harris received money from Donald Trump as recently as six years ago. Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner hosted a Park Avenue fundraiser for Cory Booker. Kirsten Gillibrand took in Trump family donations three times across a seven-year period
Harris, Booker and Gillibrand — along with Joe Biden, John Kerry and Terry McAuliffe — all share a common bond of receiving Trump family donations, adding another wrinkle to a crowded primary where candidates are expected to trumpet their distance from the president.
politico.com/story/2019/03/05/2020-presidential-dems-trump-money-1202938

Maybe its a tax write off for Trump and they make promises to scratch each others backs.
 
Maybe its a tax write off for Trump and they make promises to scratch each others backs.

Even if so, that would have been pre America First revolution.
Post that revolution, there has been no credible proof of quid pro quo type family business/government policy nexus.

India is the Trump Organization's second-largest market outside of North America.

The Trump family has been intimately involved in all facets of some Indian projects, when government regulations threatened one deal; Donald Trump Jr. intervened directly with a high-level official. These deals produced royalties of up to $11 million between 2014 and 2017.
In November 2016, a week after winning the election, Trump met with 3 Indian business partners – the brothers Chordia and their partner Kalpesh Mehta - at Trump Tower in New York.
See Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump, Atul Chordia, Donald Trump, Sagar Chordia, Donald Trump Jr.
Eric-Trump-Ivanka-Trump-Atul-Chordia-Donald-Trump-Sagar-Chordia-Donald-Trump-Jr.-Photo.-Douglas-Gorenstein.jpg

Trump’s subsidiaries for his business in India were incorporated through a third-party registration agent in Delaware — according to the Institute for Economic and Tax Policy a state that is an “onshore tax haven” and a “magnet” for anonymous shell companies. This structure makes it almost impossible to follow the flow of finances between the Trump Organization and its Indian partners.

US approves more H-1B visas this year
Oct 14, 2019


  • US has approved a higher number of H-1B applications this year
  • 3.89 lakh applications were approved for the fiscal 2019, up from last year's 3.35 lakh
  • In past years, more than 70% of the aggregate H-1B visa applications for new jobs and visa extensions given to those born in India

MUMBAI: The US has approved a higher number of H-1B applications (both for initial visas and visa extensions for continued employment) this year, showing that the demand for these work visas continues unabated. This is a relief to Indians, who are the dominant holders of H-1B visas, especially after processing regulations got more stringent post-2015 .
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/more-scrutiny-but-more-h-1b-visas-okd/articleshow/71572241.cms

Temporary relief to Indians in US! Work ban on H-1B visa holders' spouses pushed back till 2020

A 2015 rule issued by Barack Obama allowed work permits for certain categories of H-4 visa holders (dependent family members - spouse and children - of the H-1B visa holders), who otherwise could not be employed
September 19, 2019
 
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