Jobs for Americans Now

Americans1st

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Experimenting with some new activism. Any help of course welcome including meeting up with local folks. It seems the only thing Americans care about is their own personal security. And could care less if other honest Americans lose their jobs and businesses to immigration, outsourcing, insourcing, bailouts and other policies. Funny though, they don't want to pay the trillions in taxes to pay for it all. Becoming a third world nation will have a terrible price.

Perhaps "YOUR JOB IS NEXT" might give pause.

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You know, the things I don't get about this type of activism is there is no action step for the viewer and there's not enough to make me understand what you are trying to accomplish. If I saw that I'd say ok, but by the time I got to a computer to look it up it would be out of my mind. Is there a jobs4americans.com, that you are trying to drive people to? If so, the sign should say ".com" Just based on what is there, I have no clue what your angle is. We all want jobs, but are you pushing "jobs for Americans" by use of government force? That is my presumption, knowing nothing other than what is posted on that bridge. And it's not something I am likely to bother looking into. I applaud people trying to spread the messages that are important to them, but I just don't understand how this works.

This is not just specific to you. About a week ago, I saw two people waving a "Don't Tread on Me" Gadsden flag on an overpass. I understood generally their point, but if I hadn't already been familiar with the Gadsden flag/Tea Party connection, it wouldn't have meant anything to me and by the time I got to a safe place to use the Internet, I would've forgotten to look into what those flag-waving people were doing.

I do get these type of efforts when you are trying to build name recognition, (e.g. Google Ron Paul). Obviously, the more people you can get to see the name the better, and this is an effective way of reaching a large amount of people. But I don't think it works the same way for a vague message, without an attached action. I want to understand your cause because it's here on RPF, but if I just saw your sign, you don't give me enough to get me to want to do more.

I don't mean to be a killjoy, but effectively conveying a message once can be more fruitful than 100 vague signs.
 
You do not understand the concept of Jobs for Americans? I guess we need 50% unemployment higher rents, higher taxes, more outsourcing, more Americans losing their businesses and 50 million more immigrants for you to understand. Carry on with your internet fantasy world where reality is a website.
 
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I've personally seen too many Americans turn jobs down. You're better off protesting the schooling system. It has infected the minds of Americans and created zombies that think they are above manual labor.

I don't know anybody that is hoping for their kids to grow up to be roofers or farmers. Too busy chasing that "business degree".
 
I've personally seen too many Americans turn jobs down. You're better off protesting the schooling system. It has infected the minds of Americans and created zombies that think they are above manual labor.

I don't know anybody that is hoping for their kids to grow up to be roofers or farmers. Too busy chasing that "business degree".

Manual labor jobs just don't pay what they used to. There is too much competition with illegals. Some of the skilled trade jobs can pay well if you live in the right area but often you have to start at very low wages if you don't have experience. Even with these jobs there is usually a barrier to entry that requires at least some college, or at least the right contacts.
 
You do not understand the concept of Jobs for Americans? I guess we need 50% unemployment higher rents, higher taxes, more outsourcing, more Americans losing their businesses and 50 million more immigrants for you to understand. Carry on with your internet fantasy world where reality is a website.
Pretty bad idea for a newbie to start dissing people right off the bat.
 
You do not understand the concept of Jobs for Americans?

I understand wanting jobs for Americans. How do you want those jobs created? Are you saying that the government should be creating jobs, or are you saying the government should get out of the way so that businesses can afford to create jobs for Americans and individuals can monetize their own abilities. If you are saying you want the government to do anything other than de-regulate and lower taxes, I'm not behind you. The government cannot create jobs indefinitely. So what the hell is the point of your sign? What are you trying to accomplish and how do you want it accomplished?
 
I understand wanting jobs for Americans. How do you want those jobs created? Are you saying that the government should be creating jobs, or are you saying the government should get out of the way so that businesses can afford to create jobs for Americans and individuals can monetize their own abilities. If you are saying you want the government to do anything other than de-regulate and lower taxes, I'm not behind you. The government cannot create jobs indefinitely. So what the hell is the point of your sign? What are you trying to accomplish and how do you want it accomplished?

The government created the problem by not only invited 50 million immigrants but gave them special privileges. Including business, education loans, grants and contracts. Native born Americans are denied jobs, business, education. Corporations use slave labor, monopolize industries and get trillions from the government paid for by the American taxpayer. Americans have to pay the billions in welfare, health care, education, prisons to subsidized the 'cheap labor'. Americans have been robbed of their birthright and savings from criminals in both government and business. This is how third world nations are run. Completely void of anything remotely "Libertarian" and personal responsibility.
 
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I've personally seen too many Americans turn jobs down. You're better off protesting the schooling system. It has infected the minds of Americans and created zombies that think they are above manual labor.

I don't know anybody that is hoping for their kids to grow up to be roofers or farmers. Too busy chasing that "business degree".



What jobs have they "turned down"? McDonalds? Schooling? Americans are denied education slots over immigrants along with Affirmative Action. What's wrong with being a farmer? Look what we have now. Poisoned food from Monsanto and other 'farmers'. Third rate construction by those that use 'cheap labor'. Everything is third rate garbage.
 
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You can have my job, if I can keep the money.

I have a job...I must be at a neo con forum with this nasty attitude. I guess you folks never listened to what Ron Paul had to say.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Samuel Adams, (1722-1803)
 
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The government created the problem by not only invited 50 million immigrants but gave them special privileges. Including business, education loans, grants and contracts. Native born Americans are denied jobs, business, education. Corporations use slave labor, monopolize industries and get trillions from the government paid for by the American taxpayer. Americans have to pay the billions in welfare, health care, education, prisons to subsidized the 'cheap labor'. Americans have been robbed of their birthright and savings from criminals in both government and business. This is how third world nations are run. Completely void of anything remotely "Libertarian" and personal responsibility.

Ok, let's take a few deep breaths and cool off for a moment.

While our views differ, as far as how we are assigning blame. I think fundamentally we are on a similar page as to the root cause: too much government.

I have to go back to a great-great-great grandmother until I have a Native American ancestor. Most of my family came to the US from Europe in the late 1800s/early 1900s. While born in the US, I consider myself to be the descendant of immigrants. I am not sure where the number 50 million comes from, but I suspect most of the 300 million US citizens, if not immigrants themselves, are descendents of immigrants, many of whom came here after the Revolutionary War. So why are the last 12% to arrive here that is prompting such vitriol?

I think the problem lies not in the people that have come here - these immigrants have as much right to live on this land as any of us whose families arrived here during an earlier time. The problem we have is that we have programs that incentivize reliance on the government to take from some to give to others. As long as there is government, there will always be some who by the use of force or the threat of force, will have part of their wealth stolen from them in the name of the "public good". The recipients of welfare are at least two-fold; the connected class and the dependent class. While not innocent in this scheme, the dependent class are largely scapegoats, most of the animosity for what taxes are funding gets focused on them. Meanwhile, the connected class have collect bloated salaries for their public sector jobs, have $700 billion bail-outs, set regulations that reduce the ability of others to compete, etc.. And most of this welfare that the connected class receives goes largely uncontested - as people are too busy fighting against, for example, "immigrants."

Surely, you can see that imported products and services have done as much to change the US economy, as the last 50 million immigrants. So why are the people that have re-located here, more detestable than the products that are produced elsewhere and brought here.

In order to have jobs for Americans, we need to de-regulate industries and lower taxes. We need to stop subsidizing large businesses, and make it easier for individuals to start businesses that can compete. We need to lower taxes and make it affordable for businesses to conduct their business here.

I have self-employment and I would love to grow my business, but the mandatory insurance, regulations and taxes prevent me from expanding. Looking at what we would need to produce & sell to outweigh the additional overhead, it becomes very apparent that it doesn't make sense to do so, based on how we currently do business. The only way we can grow with a reasonable expectation of preserving our profits as well, as to start importing a similar product produced in China - but if we are importing the product from China we don't need workers here. So our options are: stay small (no jobs created,) import from China (no jobs for Americans created), or try to comply with all of the regulations and grow how we ideally would like, (since we cannot realistically have competitive pricing that covers the additional overhead, this would make us operate at a loss, and we'd quickly be out of business or in deep debt.) The government has made it so that I cannot create jobs, and many others with small businesses are in the same boat. It's not that we don't want to expand and create jobs, it's that the US does not currently have a market that is conducive for many without prior connections, to do so. In my view, getting the government out of the way, is 100% necessary to reverse this.

I've been watching PR, to see how their economy is doing after the reforms under Luis Fortuna. Reducing the size of government and removing barriers for business, seems to have been positive for their economy. I am watching to see if they can keep on that course, now that Fortuna is no longer in office. Does anyone have any on the ground insight on the state of PR now?
 
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