Jim Webb Is the Democrats' Rand Paul

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The biggest dark horse of the 2016 presidential campaign has clashed frequently with his party's higher-ups. He is known for his outspoken views on the surveillance state, his opposition to overseas entanglements, his warnings about the broken criminal-justice system, his desire to expand the party's tent to include voters otherwise alienated by identity politics—and for the Confederate-flag-waving supporters who'd follow him anywhere.

Unfortunately for Jim Webb, I'm talking about Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.

Since launching a presidential exploratory committee last month, the former one-term Virginia senator, author, Navy secretary, and Vietnam vet has spent the first weeks of his nascent campaign drawing a contrast with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the party's most likely nominee. The little-touted candidacy of Webb, who was floated as a running mate during President Barack Obama's first campaign, is a reminder of how far the ground has shifted since his first run for office nine years ago. Two years after leaving the Senate, Webb's ideas are finally ascendant—but under a different banner.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/jim-webb- democrats-rand-paul
 
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The closest person to being Rand in the democrats is probably Dennis. Then again, he's out of congress so maybe it's
Ron=Dennis
Jim=Rand
Jim Webb has a terrible record, he voted for TARP, Obamacare, and renewing the Patriot Act.

Maybe he changed? Walter Jones at one point had a horrible record, but now is one of the best congressmen we have seen since his buddy Ron.
 
—and for the Confederate-flag-waving supporters who'd follow him anywhere.

Why do we categorically refuse to break links to brainless, propaganda-filled hit pieces?
 
Maybe he changed? Walter Jones at one point had a horrible record, but now is one of the best congressmen we have seen since his buddy Ron.

I don't have any reason to think he has changed, has he said he regretted any of those votes? If he did, I missed it.

Kucinich certaily was the closest thing there was to a principled Democrat in recent history, but even he ended up voting for Obamacare. And he knew better too.
 
Kucinich certaily was the closest thing there was to a principled Democrat in recent history, but even he ended up voting for Obamacare. And he knew better too.

He voted for it because they convinced him it was the necessary path to a single-payer healthcare system. Don't fool yourself, he supported it fully because of that.
 
He voted for it because they convinced him it was the necessary path to a single-payer healthcare system. Don't fool yourself, he supported it fully because of that.

But he knew better, he knew it was a bad law, and he was against it before he was for it. Which makes his vote even worse. I'm just saying he opposed it at first as corporatism. He was clearly sold on it eventually as he voted on it, but he knew it was bad.
 
But he knew better, he knew it was a bad law, and he was against it before he was for it. Which makes his vote even worse. I'm just saying he opposed it at first as corporatism. He was clearly sold on it eventually as he voted on it, but he knew it was bad.

Of course.

Problem>Reaction>Solution

Because democratic governance just doesn't get you down the rabbit hole fast enough if you don't chase the people down that rabbit hole with a cattle prod.

Even four out of five principled progs agree. Which does sort of beg the question: Is a 'principled progressive' always a damned fool, or is that phrase simply an oxymoron? Because, you know, you hear a lot abut unicorns, too, but...
 
Of course.

Problem>Reaction>Solution

Because democratic governance just doesn't get you down the rabbit hole fast enough if you don't chase the people down that rabbit hole with a cattle prod.

Even four out of five principled progs agree. Which does sort of beg the question: Is a 'principled progressive' always a damned fool, or is that phrase simply an oxymoron? Because, you know, you hear a lot abut unicorns, too, but...

I completely agree. I am not aware of any truly principled progressives in politics.
 
Webb said a lot of the right things and offered good amendments but ultimately voted with his party's line 95% of the time. He's a lot like Bob Barr that way.

PS - This article shouldn't have been moved to the anti-Rand subforum since it's not really anti-Rand. It should maybe be in the 2016 general forum.
 
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