I've decided that a collapse is not imminent.

[Minarchy4Sale]

Ive decided that a collapse is not imminent.

After a considerable amount of study of the history of our current problems, like many of you, I have come to the conclusion that there has been a sort of 'open conspiracy' of both socialists/collectivists and corporatists/bankers/globalists to rob the U.S. of her productive capacity, destroy the US middle class, and enrich elites at the expense of the most productive Americans. If you look at what policies have been implemented, almost every institution seems to have the weakening of the US economic base and the destruction of our currency values as its goal.

But here is the thing.

If the Dollar collapses tomorrow, trade stops flowing, but domestic demand for goods doesnt go away. We still have a sufficient knowledge, capital, and tool base that would allow us to retool, mine and harvest natural resources, and rebuild our industries. In the short term, the complete collapse of the dollar would be the best thing that could happen for the liberty movement, as we regained our self-sufficiency...

THAT IS WHY A COMPLETE COLLAPSE OF THE DOLLAR WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BY THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING COMMUNITY. It is in the best interest of all the players that the continual slow rape continue. China needs to keep their factories going. The elites only own 90% of the wealth in this nation, and we still have our guns. We can still fight back. The final curtain wont be pulled until we are disenfranchised, disarmed, drugged, and incapable of independent survival.

So the endgame is NOT, I repeat NOT here yet. They have alot of work to do. They are patient and meticulous. We have at least 5 years before the final plays are implemented, almost certainly 10, and maybe even 20. Dont despair.

 

[MrNick]

I came to the conclusion a long time ago this is not the endgame.

 

[Dr.3D]

Well, sometimes the best laid plans don't work out as planned.

If they loose control of what is happening, they may in fact have a crash long before they are ready for it.

 

[slacker921]

.... "war changes everything"

All it takes is a nudge in the right direction when you're off balance and you end up on your face.

Don't be too confident in evaluating the future based on the current situation. Too many people in power would profit in both money and power if the US suddenly found itself in dire straits.

 

[Brassmouth]

Bureaucrats aren't smart enough to pull off any "conspiracies." Do you honestly think the same people that brought you the Katrina aid and the DMV can orchestrate a mass conspiracy?

 

[acptulsa]

Well, sometimes the best laid plans don't work out as planned.

If they lose control of what is happening, they may in fact have a crash long before they are ready for it.

On the one hand, yes the Chinese like selling to us. On the other hand, we are pretty obviously running full speed down a dead-end alley right now, so how long could they expect our market to be lucrative in any case? So, given the choice between foisting their crap on us for another year or two and turning the yuan into the world's dominant currency, which will they consider to be more advantageous?

And if they choose the former, can we continue to build this movement anyway? I think so, myself...

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

On the one hand, yes the Chinese like selling to us. On the other hand, we are pretty obviously running full speed down a dead-end alley right now, so how long could they expect our market to be lucrative in any case? So, given the choice between foisting their crap on us for another year or two and turning the yuan into the world's dominant currency, which will they consider to be more advantageous?

And if they choose the former, can we continue to build this movement anyway? I think so, myself...

The thing is, as far as China is concerned, it really doesnt matter if our currency proves eventually to be worthless, because they are amassing REAL wealth and productive capacity out of the deal.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

Bureaucrats aren't smart enough to pull off any "conspiracies." Do you honestly think the same people that brought you the Katrina aid and the DMV can orchestrate a mass conspiracy?

LOL, you think Im referring to the Government? I am referring to their masters. They, like the CIA, have proven to be relatively effective at controlling national and regional events.

 

[AuH20]

Bureaucrats aren't smart enough to pull off any "conspiracies." Do you honestly think the same people that brought you the Katrina aid and the DMV can orchestrate a mass conspiracy?

There's the conventional government edifice and behind that a shadow government. There's NASA and there's an independent, top secret space program which makes NASA look like child's play. They show you what they want you to see. I know it sounds crazy.

 

[pinkmandy]

How do we know what their goal is? We assume it's money, but is it? Power? Or are they just means to an end?

And I know it's wonderful here on the forums and in other liberty minded online places. But in the real world MSM has trained the people to be putty in their hands and MSM isn't going anywhere. Sure, the collapse of the dollar could mean a resurgence of freedom but it can also mean the path to despotism, tyranny and total control. Most people choose their leaders like they choose American Idol winners.

Even now, look at everything we've lost in this country. Taken away by the leaders we 'elect'. Most people will do nothing and even if they're starving, homeless, jobless they will turn to those who promise to help them (even if it means enslaving them) over freedom.

 

[pinkmandy]

Also, the bankers fund both sides historically. I'm sure if there is some kind of major resurgence of freedom they'll be helping finance that, too. They won't actually lose control. They'll step in and 'help'. And people wonder why Glenn Beck is allowed to rant on Fox like he does.

 

[amonasro]

There's the conventional government edifice and behind that a shadow government. There's NASA and there's an independent, top secret space program which makes NASA look like child's play. They show you what they want you to see. I know it sounds crazy.

How do normal people see inside the shadow government with enough light to figure out what's going on? Where do they get funding and more importantly, why do they allow themselves to be exposed?

 

[acptulsa]

Even now, look at everything we've lost in this country. Taken away by the leaders we 'elect'. Most people will do nothing and even if they're starving, homeless, jobless they will turn to those who promise to help them (even if it means enslaving them) over freedom.

Well, before they turn to anyone they'll look for answers--answers to questions like, 'how could this happen?' And when they do, we had better be ready and we had better be good. Everything depends upon us.

Of course, if we're looking too good and too strong, they'll try to prevent the endgame from going down. They'll do anything to prevent it, in fact--including providing responsible and competent governance for a change. And I think we'll find that to be their best tactic--and it might work, too, unless the Chinese weigh in...

 

[pinkmandy]

Well, before they turn to anyone they'll look for answers--answers to questions like, 'how could this happen?' And when they do, we had better be ready and we had better be good. Everything depends upon us.

Of course, if we're looking too good and too strong, they'll try to prevent the endgame from going down. They'll do anything to prevent it, in fact--including providing responsible and competent governance for a change. And I think we'll find that to be their best tactic--and it might work, too, unless the Chinese weigh in...

I agree and I do have hope that we will prevail.

My guess is, though, that they'll take the 'answers' they get from MSM as truth. I think that's why we should be focused on discrediting MSM, all the pundits, all the lies. MSM has the power to undermine, discredit and marginalize the freedom movement.

 

[AuH20]

How do normal people see inside the shadow government with enough light to figure out what's going on? Where do they get funding and more importantly, why do they allow themselves to be exposed?

William Cooper documented much of this in his book.

I can only speculate funding was siphoned to clandestine departments via clever accounting loopholes found in the massive DoD budget. Don't forget the capital generated from the illegal drug trade as well.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

THAT IS WHY A COMPLETE COLLAPSE OF THE DOLLAR WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BY THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING COMMUNITY. It is in the best interest of all the players that the continual slow rape continue.

What makes you think it is possible for them to avoid hyperinflation? Their not as in control as you think.

 

[acptulsa]

What makes you think it is possible for them to avoid hyperinflation? Their not as in control as you think.

That's another point. Every arsonist reaches a point of no return. Once lit, fired often grow.

 

[amonasro]

What makes you think it is possible for them to avoid hyperinflation? Their not as in control as you think.

They must know hyperinflation is a real threat in this scenario. I'm sure they are prepared for it, but will probably throw most people under the bus in the process of getting out... cowards.

But then who the hell is "they"? Some form of shadow government or idiot politicians and bankers flying by the seat of their pants? I'd like to think the latter.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

They must know hyperinflation is a real threat in this scenario. I'm sure they are prepared for it, but will probably throw most people under the bus in the process of getting out... cowards.

But then who the hell is "they"? Some form of shadow government or idiot politicians and bankers flying by the seat of their pants? I'd like to think the latter.

I dont think it is as clear cut as all that. There are a number of groups involved manipulating events and government policies to their advantage. The biggest threat at the moment are the banking cartels, but there are many other players in this game.

 

[american.swan]

Let's imagine for a moment that all the economies of the world have been under IMF and World Bank tinkering for decades, can you give me one example where hyperinflation was avoided? Can you also tell me where after hyperinflation happened the people rose up and the new government was "more free" than before?

I think you will find hyperinflation right down their power hungry ally. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't a religious take down of the USA to destroy protestantism and their free market, liberty experiment. Non-protestants have no interest in freedom. Israeli people didn't come up with our Constitution. The Hispanic people didn't rise up and create our constitution. I live in Asia and you'll be hard pressed to find true liberty over here. The protestants are the only group that recognize liberty. The Bible is a law of freedom. The ability to walk down the street and not get beat up or molested or have your property taken away. That's all Biblical concepts.