It's OK to vote for Romney as long as you don't praise him.

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I understand the lesser of two evils argument for voting for Romney. It's a valid argument (although I'm still voting for Gary Johnson). What bothers me is that most of the conservative commentors are PRAISING Romney while at the same time BASHING libertarians like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. That shows me they simply do not believe in capitalism and free markets. If you say something like "Hey, I'd much rather have a libertarian minded candidate but I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Romney to keep Obama out of office." that's fine. I get that. But if you actually think Romney is a BETTER candidate then Gary Johnson or Ron Paul you're an idiot. How can you call yourself a believer in freedom?
 
I haven't made up my mind whether I want 4 years of Obama destroying our economy or 4 years of re-molding the entire middle east. Of course, nation building costs money so the economy is probably screwed anyway. Then again, Obama does have the distinction of being the first president to assassinate a U.S. citizen with a drone strike.

There should be a scale that weighs evil so we can visually tell who is worse.

(of course I'm not seriously considering voting for either of them, I just wonder by what measurement people are arguing that one could possibly be any better than the other)
 
It would be a lot tougher for me if I didn't live in NJ - it's going to Obama no matter what I do.

But I already donated money to RP and voted for him in June, so what else can I do at this point?

I will probably sit out of voting this turn, or if I have time that day (doubtful) I would vote for Johnson, but I understand people supporting (lessor of 2 evils) Romney in a swing state.
 
It would be a lot tougher for me if I didn't live in NJ - it's going to Obama no matter what I do.

But I already donated money to RP and voted for him in June, so what else can I do at this point?

I will probably sit out of voting this turn, or if I have time that day (doubtful) I would vote for Johnson, but I understand people supporting (lessor of 2 evils) Romney in a swing state.

Check if there's a Republican running down-ballot you really like and try to give a hand to that campaign.
 
If it wasn't for local elections (mainly the mayoral race even though neither candidate is great but the Dem is basically a socialist) I probably would have sat this one out. I'll probably just end up tossing GJ a vote. It's really a damned if you damned if you don't situation.

The best case scenario might be Obama winning the election and a Republican controlled congress, then hope that there's gridlock.
 
I understand the lesser of two evils argument for voting for Romney. It's a valid argument (although I'm still voting for Gary Johnson). What bothers me is that most of the conservative commentors are PRAISING Romney while at the same time BASHING libertarians like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. That shows me they simply do not believe in capitalism and free markets. If you say something like "Hey, I'd much rather have a libertarian minded candidate but I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Romney to keep Obama out of office." that's fine. I get that. But if you actually think Romney is a BETTER candidate then Gary Johnson or Ron Paul you're an idiot. How can you call yourself a believer in freedom?
Who are these "conservative" commentators you speak of?

Just curious, because if we're talking about Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, they are not really conservative.
 
I'm writing in Ron Paul.

with the 'top two voting' in CA there are only Dems running in my area, otherwise, and awful ones at that. There are a lot of propositions, though.
 
It's OK to vote for Romney as long as you don't praise him.

Uh, no its not.

What you do when you vote for either one of them is to support the idea that your vote somehow counts. Obama vs Romney is Keynesianism vs Keynesianism. After the election, someone is going to ask you who you voted for. You'll probably get sick of answering "I used to support Ron Paul, but voted for so and so..." which will just turn into "I voted for so and so..." They will see that you did not stick to your guns. If those people are Ron Paul supporters, they will see you as a Non Ron Paul Supporter. Non Ron Paul Supporters will see you as a person that buys into their ideas, and because you do, they will be much more inclined to stay asleep and not call out the Status Quo for what they are.

I do not think it is okay to say you voted for Romney for any reason because to do so says that we lack the courage of our convictions and the belief will be maintained that maintaining the Status Quo is just fine with many of the Ron Paul people.
 
Who are these "conservative" commentators you speak of?

Just curious, because if we're talking about Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, they are not really conservative.

Yeah, I should have said "supposedly" conservative commentators. That's really the point of my post. I didn't want to get into the "voting for the lesser of two evils" vs "principle" argument. Mostly I'm just pissed off at guys like Rush Limbaugh who claim to be in favor of limited government. I need to quit listening to those shows. I aways tune in just out of curiosity and after a minute ot two I turn off the radio cussing to myself.
 
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Voting for the lesser of two evils puts your hand of authorship on the evil to come. Personally.... I could not bear that moral burden.
 
I understand the lesser of two evils argument for voting for Romney. It's a valid argument (although I'm still voting for Gary Johnson).


I am torn about this myself. I would rather Gary Johnson be elected, but this country may not be around in 4 years of Obama gets a second term. It is clearly the lesser of two evils since the options, other than Johnson, are Ultra Left Wing Big Goverment Democrat and a Semi Left Wing Semi Large Goverment Republican. But if Obama gets another term, that would be far worse than anything Romney does. By voting for Johnson, don't you risk of handing Obama the election? I can't imagine many Obama supporters are debating between him and Johnson -- I would guess most people who like Johnson are torn between him or Romney. Is a vote for Gary Johnson worth the risk of making Obama a more likely winner?

And if it wasn't clear in what I wrote above -- Romney isn't a good candidate!
 
But if Obama gets another term, that would be far worse than anything Romney does

I fail to see this.

What is this based on?

What Romney says?

LOL - He says anything.

Thankfully, I live in a battleground state that counts write ins - NH.

I'll be writing in Ron Paul, happily, cheerfully, proudly.
 
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They are not praising him because they actually feel he represents some kind of philosophical belief they hold to be true. They are simply playing hard for the home teem in hopes of a keeping a job the next 4 years. except Hanity he is just an evil fucking retard.
 
I understand the lesser of two evils argument for voting for Romney. It's a valid argument (although I'm still voting for Gary Johnson). What bothers me is that most of the conservative commentors are PRAISING Romney while at the same time BASHING libertarians like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. That shows me they simply do not believe in capitalism and free markets. If you say something like "Hey, I'd much rather have a libertarian minded candidate but I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Romney to keep Obama out of office." that's fine. I get that. But if you actually think Romney is a BETTER candidate then Gary Johnson or Ron Paul you're an idiot. How can you call yourself a believer in freedom?

If you want to go vote for the lesser evil, it's better that you keep it to yourself instead of embarrasing yourself by publicly admitting it. No one has to know how badly you screwed up.
 
I am torn about this myself. I would rather Gary Johnson be elected, but this country may not be around in 4 years of Obama gets a second term.

It may not be around in 4 years if Romney is elected....and you only have 1 vote and it's too insignificant by itself to deny Obama a 2nd term...it will not be a tiebreaker swing vote that by itself causes Obama to lose the election.
 
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