Iraq Government Signs a Deal With Boeing

[VoteForRonPaul]

Boeing's Statement on Iraqi Government's Fleet Selection

SEATTLE, March 31, 2008 -- Boeing and the government of Iraq have signed an agreement in Baghdad for the purchase of 30 Next-Generation 737s and 10 787 Dreamliners with options for 10 additional 737s and five 787s. The order will be booked and added to Boeing's Orders & Deliveries Web site upon completion of the final contractual terms of the agreement.


On 9/11 2001, 4 Boeing airplanes hit the towers -------> In 2003 Bush invades Iraq --------> In 2008 the Iraqi government signs a contract worth 5.5 billion dollars with Boeing/the invader



By Michael Abramowitz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 20, 2007; Page A17

WICHITA -- It's not often that the folks at the Boeing plant here get a visit from the main passenger on one of their most important airplanes.

But there was President Bush last week, dropping in at the facility where workers are refurbishing one of the two specially configured 747s that are used as Air Force One.

In a rare visit to McConnell Air Force Base, Bush thanked the workers who are taking care of Air Force One.

"Thank you for making this a really comfortable airplane," Bush gushed after landing at McConnell Air Force Base Friday. "I can't tell you what an honor it is to fly overseas in Air Force One and have that big bird park, have people around the world see the great majesty of our country reflected in this airplane."

The presidential fleet consists of two Boeing 747-200B aircraft -- with tail numbers 28000 and 29000 -- designated by the Air Force as VC-25A aircraft. Whenever the president is aboard either craft, the radio call signal is "Air Force One."

 

[dirtyp]

thats kinda good. We recently outsourced a bunch of jets.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Just about every plane flown in the US was made by Boeing. Are you trying to imply that Boeing is somehow profiting because of 9/11? Would you prefer that Iraq bought planes from Russia or China instead of the US? This is good for American manufacturing jobs. Some have complained that the US does not produce as many goods as we used to so this is definately a good thing.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

Just about every plane flown in the US was made by Boeing. Are you trying to imply that Boeing is somehow profiting because of 9/11?

What do you call 6 billion dollars deal?

Would you prefer that Iraq bought planes from Russia or China instead of the US? This is good for American manufacturing jobs. Some have complained that the US does not produce as many goods as we used to so this is definately a good thing.

If China invaded your country would you sign a deal with a Chinese air line?

 

[Zippyjuan]

What do you call 6 billion dollars deal?

Jobs for Americans. They are not getting the order just because the planes used in 9/11 happened to be Boeing planes.

Again, do you think that Iraq should buy planes from someone else? They don't make their own.
Why do you consider this a bad thing?

 

[LiveFree79]

It may not be a bad thing but it's pretty fucking ironic. I mean come on people. It's no different than us going in and destroying Iraq and giving no bid contracts to Halliburton but yet most of you saying how great this is...........are the first to criticize Halliburton. Hell why don't we just send our military to every corner of the world, invade, bomb, take over, and then push American companies onto them. Hell I don't need a Phd in 6 Sigma to see the brilliance of that plan! Read War is A Racket by Smedley Butler. America would die a fast death without our military's ablility to prop up the M-I complex that is destroying the very fabric of our nation.......but in all honesty the M-I complex has always been the "fabric of our nation" no? War keeps America's economic wheels turning. It's the "business" cycle.

 

[Desperado]

What the hell is the government of Iraq going to do with those passenger planes?
Not only that you really hhave to wonder if it is the Government of Iraq or the US tax payers that will pay for them.

 

[Zippyjuan]

They will probably use them to fly people from one place to another like every other country that has passenger planes. Here you can go from say Chicago to Atlanta or even New York to London. Pretty neat.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

Again, do you think that Iraq should buy planes from someone else? They don't make their own.

Sorry, but why this question is so naive?
Of course Iraq should buy planes from any country except those countries who were and are involved in this criminal war!

Jobs for Americans.

Nice then let us invade Iran, cause a million Iranian to die and 5 million to be refugees, so that way we can create American jobs. So cool

 

[Zippyjuan]

Iraq was not invaded to create jobs for Boeing. Boeing is not getting the sale here because Boeing planes were flown into the World Trade Center and Pentagon on 9/11. They sell planes to lots of countries we have not invaded.

 

[Bossobass]

The important question, as always, and as always is never mentioned is: Who will finance the deal?

I imagine this is only one of many deals between Iraq and the US mega-corporations that will all be financed by the same small cast of characters.

Can anyone guess what Iraq might have to put up as collateral for these multi-billion dollar loans?

Bosso

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

Iraq was not invaded to create jobs for Boeing.

I agree! Boeing does not care about American jobs or all this junk, big corporations like Boeing care only about profit!

Iraq was not invaded to create jobs/profits for Boeing.

Should we also say; Iraq was not invaded because of oil? Oops I forgot, it was invaded because of weapons of mass destruction

Boeing is not getting the sale here because Boeing planes were flown into the World Trade Center and Pentagon on 9/11.

There were no Boeing planes flown into the Pentagon on 9/11. Not I know of!

Boeing is not getting the sale here because Boeing planes were flown into the World Trade Center and Pentagon on 9/11. They sell planes to lots of countries we have not invaded

So why they are getting that deal in your opinion? What makes Boeing superior to other companies that do not belong to the invaders?

 

[Zippyjuan]

What makes Boeing superior to other companies that do not belong to the invaders?

Why are 65% of the commercial planes sold in the world made by Boeing? They must do something good. In wide body planes, their market share is 82%. http://www.eubusiness.com/news_live/1168848002.41/
And, yes, that was a Boeing that hit the Pentagon on 9/11. Hundreds of people saw it and wreckage from it- including the black box- was recovered at the site.

Boeing does not care about American jobs or all this junk, big corporations like Boeing care only about profit!

All companies need profit- otherwise they will not be able to stay in business.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

Why are 65% of the commercial planes sold in the world made by Boeing? They must do something good. In wide body planes, their market share is 82%. http://www.eubusiness.com/news_live/1168848002.41/

You did not answer my question!
If China invaded your country tomorrow, would you allow your government to make a deal with a major Chinese corporation after tomorrow?
Please answer!

And, yes, that was a Boeing that hit the Pentagon on 9/11. Hundreds of people saw it and wreckage from it- including the black box- was recovered at the site.

Can you prove your claim?
Do you have any video shows that a plane has hit the Pentagon at that day?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Do you have video of anything else hitting the Pentagon that day? Or eyewitnesses? Or physical evidence like missle parts? There is one very poor video taken at one frame a second which shows just a tiny part of the plane. There are hundreds of eye witnesses and physical evidence including plane parts found. I do tend to believe that.

We already have planes- we do not need to buy from China. Iraq did not have any planes left. If China had invaded them, they probably would have bought planes from them, yes. If nobody had invaded Iraq there was still a 65% chance that they would have bought planes from Boeing.

As part of the package, Iraq also bought planes from Canada. Canada did not invade Iraq. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/BusinessTravel/wireStory?id=4310302 Canada in fact refused to take part in the war.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

Do you have video of anything else hitting the Pentagon that day? Or eyewitnesses? Or physical evidence like missle parts? There is one very poor video taken at one frame a second which shows just a tiny part of the plane. There are hundreds of eye witnesses and physical evidence including plane parts found. I do tend to believe that.

Sorry I did not see any tiny part of the plane, could you please show me that tiny part?

Another question, could you tell me why there is only one very poor video available in one of the world's largest office buildings?

We already have planes- we do not need to buy from China. Iraq did not have any planes left. If China had invaded them, they probably would have bought planes from them, yes. If nobody had invaded Iraq there was still a 65% chance that they would have bought planes from Boeing.

As part of the package, Iraq also bought planes from Canada. Canada did not invade Iraq.

You are acting exactly like McCain when Ron Paul was asking him about sun shine. You are trying to escape from answering the question with filling your reply with all this kind of non sense!

Answer by YES or NO!

If China would to invade your country tomorrow, would you approve your government to make a deal with a major Chinese corporation after tomorrow?

 

[Zippyjuan]

If you calm down, we can try to have a reasonable discussion.
If we had no planes and the country was taken over by China, then we would probably buy Chinese planes. Yes. That does not mean that the only reason they bought Boeing planes was because we invaded. They bought Canadian planes too and Canada did not invade. Boeing makes 65% of all planes so even if we did not invade, there was a better than average chance that in the absence of a US invasion, they would have bought Boeing planes anyways. They had Boeing planes prior to the invasion. SInce they already owned Boeing planes, they would have most likely purchased more of them even if the US military was not there. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/saddam-iap.htm

Baghdad International Airport [BIAP]
Saddam International Airport
Saddam International Airport is located approximately 16 kilometers West of Baghdad. The airfield is a joint civil-military airport, with a civil international terminal on one side and a smaller military ramp on the other. The airport is served by a Class I runway 13,000 feet long and a second runway on the military side of the airfield measuring 8,800 feet. According to the "Gulf War Air Power Survey, there were 8 hardened aircraft shelters at Saddam IAP of 1991.

An Iraqi Airways Boeing 737 made a test flight from Amman to Baghdad 24 August 2004. The company has $300 million to lease or buy aircraft from Airbus and Boeing. Ticket prices of Iraqi Airways appeared to be nearly 20 per cent higher than normal, but it could be due to high war insurance. Round-trip airfare from Amman to Baghdad is US$750.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Airways

Former fleet
Iraqi Airways fleet was composed of mostly Boeing aircraft ordered during 1970s and served with the carrier until the 1990 ban on air travel. Until 2003, some of these aircraft were stored in Amman, Jordan; Beirut, Lebanon and Tehran, Iran, because of the Gulf War and ban on air travel in Iraq. However, some air worthy crafts operated a few Hajj flights during the 1990s. After the 2004 re-organization, several restored 727s and 737s, in addition to leased 757-200 and 767-200 aircraft, operated flights for the carrier.

Antonov An-24
Boeing 707-320
Boeing 727-200
Boeing 737-200
Boeing 747-200
Boeing 747SP
Boeing 757-200
Boeing 767-200
Ilyushin IL-76
Four Airbus A310-300 were also ordered in the late 1980s but war related sanctions prevented Iraq from getting them and they were never built.

As for Pentagon pictures, I would have to search, but I have seen photos of an engine and a landing gear in the rubble of that section of the Pentagon- and missiles do not have landing gear. Please share some of your evidence.

Portions of the plane found: http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dy...www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/pentagon.terrorism/

In the first hours after Tuesday morning's attack it was feared as many as 800 lives may have been lost when the hijacked Boeing 757 slammed into the complex, setting off a fierce fire.

But word came Wednesday that the dead may number just over 200, including the 64 people on the plane.


However, there is no hope of finding any more survivors in the rubble that still smoldered 24 hours after American Airlines Flight 77 slammed into the Pentagon.

The intense heat and smoky blaze that resulted from the fully fueled jetliner crashing into the building has convinced Pentagon officials that anyone who might have survived the initial impact could not have survived the fire.

The attack penetrated three of the Pentagon's five rings, and the fire spread through the wooden roof. For now, roughly one-half of the Pentagon is closed, sealed off by armed sentries posted at all five rings on all five floors.

FBI evidence teams combing the area of impact along the building's perimeter found parts of the fuselage from the Boeing 757, said Michael Tamillow, a battalion chief and search and rescue expert for the Fairfax County, Virginia, Fire Department. No large pieces apparently survived.

Agents also were looking for the plane's black box and flight data recorder

Here is the best known photo: http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dy...p://www.news.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=2445
The plane did impact at very high speed so not much of the plane survived intact. It is not always as it looks in the movies. Most plane crashes you see on TV are when a plane is landing or taking off and this travelling at a much slower speed.
Some eyewitness reports: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html (I have never seen any that said they saw a missile).
More photos including the landing gear http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/nodebris.html

The "Black Boxes" found: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/september01/wash_9-14.html

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

If we had no planes and the country was taken over by China, then we would probably buy Chinese planes. Yes.

Thanks!

As for Pentagon pictures, I would have to search, but I have seen photos of an engine and a landing gear in the rubble of that section of the Pentagon- and missiles do not have landing gear. Please share some of your evidence.

What evidence? I do not know what has hit the Pentagon but you claim it is an airplane while you have no proof.

Here is the best known photo: http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dy...p://www.news.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=2445

This picture is a joke and even kids would laugh at it!
I cannot believe you brought it here!

Some eyewitness reports: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html (I have never seen any that said they saw a missile).

Eyewitnesses are easy to be bought by money specially if they were working for an organizations like the USA TODAY.

The "Black Boxes" found: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/september01/wash_9-14.html

What did they find in the black box?

http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight77BlackBoxes.shtml

September 14, 2001 -- Dick Bridges, deputy manager for Arlington County, Va., said the voice recorder was damaged on the outside and the flight data recorder was charred. But he said the FBI still was confident the data can be recovered from both devices.

September 14, 2001 -- FBI Director Robert Mueller said Friday investigators have recovered some information from the flight data recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, the hijacked jet that slammed into the Pentagon.

Feb. 25, 2002 --FBI Director Robert Mueller said Flight 77's data recorder provided altitude, speed, headings and other information, but the voice recorder contained nothing useful.

FBI Director Robert Mueller said that the voice data recorder contained nothing useful, it would imply that there are no words of the hijackers on the tape

You seem like you are submitting to what the FBI has told the public.

So now could you please let me know why your trusted FBI did not release any other videos which shows clearly that an air plane has hit the Pentagon? It must not be an airplane then

How come we did not get anything useful from the black box?

 

[yongrel]

Why is a fuss being worked up over this? Boeing ain't gonna deliver the planes any time soon.

To digress: I see VoteForRonPaul is up to his usual antics.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

To digress: I see VoteForRonPaul is up to his usual antics.

CIA agents are not allowed in this topic!