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UPDATE: I received a reply from Debbie Hopper on this...
Don't email the campaign anymore as we have received a response from them on this issue.
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I emailed Trevor Lyman to tell him about the opposition toward July 4th and asked him to check out some of the discussion about it on the forum. I asked him to instead switch his focus toward the July 19th Ready Ames Fire money bomb, because there's a great deal of enthusiasm building around that date. He replied back to me with his opinion on the situation.
I won't post any quotes without his permission, but l will tell you that there is nothing that will change his mind about canceling July 4th, not even an email campaign convincing him to do so. Judging from his responses in the large 42 page thread that's now on the fundraising board, I'm sure you can imagine what his reply was to me. But the fact of the matter is that he won't be canceling it, so we need to make a decision here on what to do. He's going to be promoting July 4th through his email list, so many people that do not visit this forum will get his email and start promoting it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this in my opinion. More money for the campaign. If you wish to support it then go ahead and do so. You can even donate on that day if you wish to.
My major concern though is whether the campaign will endorse July 4th or wait and endorse the much preferred date of July 19th. For those who believe having two money bombs within 14 days of each other is a huge mistake, my suggestion would be to contact the campaign and tell them your concerns. Make sure they completely understand that you don't want them to endorse July 4th as an official money bomb date.
June 5th wasn't being supported until the campaign sent an email out about it. Because of that, we were then forced to get behind that date or allow the campaign's fundraising day to be painted as a failure by the media. Don't let that happen this time. Tell the campaign personally that you don't want them to endorse July 4th, state your reasons and then suggest that they do endorse July 19th. If we do nothing and the campaign endorses the 4th by sending out an email about it, then it will already be too late, and we'll be forced to interrupt the promotion of Ready Ames Fire to instead support the promotion of July 4th. We need our entire focus on promoting the 19th with no interruptions to knock us off track. Momentum is building toward something huge. We wouldn't want to lose that momentum.
So if you agree with this, we need contact information for the campaign. I don't have it, so if somebody does, please post it here for others who need it.
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EDIT: I was instructed to contact debh at ronpaul2012.com. I"m not sure if this is the right person to contact, but I suggest you do the same or contact the person in the campaign that's most responsible for this. Here is the email I sent her...
Hi Debbie, it was suggested for me to email this to you. If I've sent this to the wrong person could you please let me know who would be responsible for this?
The majority of grassroots supporters on RonPaulForums.com have been supporting the July 19th Ready Ames Fire date as the next official money bomb. For a poll showing the amount of support over the July 4th/5th date, check out the following link...
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?296954-Vote-on-the-next-moneybomb(s)!
The reason why I'm emailing you is that we're concerned that the campaign is going to endorse and promote the July 4th/5th date as the next money bomb. We do not want the campaign to endorse this date. As for reasons why, most of the reasons are located in the discussion in the forum thread I just linked. Just a couple examples would be that it's on a date where people are not at home. They're traveling or outside the house having parties. Also, instead of allowing us to coordinate an end of the quarter donation push, it would encourage people to save their money until the beginning of the next month, something I know the campaign would not want.
The biggest reason of all though is that endorsing July 4th would sabotage the July 19th Ready Ames Fire money bomb. There is a lot of enthusiasm building on the internet around this date. I'm predicting it to become one of the largest money bombs we've had since 2007. The July 19th money bomb has almost 1,300 attendees on Facebook as of this writing where the July 4th money bomb has only 38 attendees. There is just no excitement for it. If the campaign endorses and promotes that date, it will have the unfortunate side effect of redirecting promotion for the July 19th money bomb, which is ONLY 14 DAYS LATER! That would be a massive error by the campaign in my opinion. It would sabotage July 19th and result in two sub-standard money bombs. We need our full focus to be on the promotion of July 19th.
Trevor Lyman is running the one on the 4th/5th. I've emailed him detailing the concerns of the grassroots and he responded back by telling me that there's no chance he will cancel his date. He will be promoting the 4th/5th through his email lists, so I ask the campaign now to not make the mistake of endorsing that date in any mass email. Many people are upset that Trevor is acting on this without any discussion on the issue. He seems to be acting alone on this and most are afraid he's going to sabotage July 19th. So please, allow him to promote that date by himself. It will help guarantee a donation bump on the 4th without creating any of the expectations from the media that would result from a campaign endorsement email. Like I said, doing so would force the grassroots to redirect attention away from promoting a much more popular money bomb. We also risk the chance of coming up short on July 4th because of the grassroots opposition to the date, which would attract negative media attention. If you could give us confirmation after you've made your decision that no endorsement will be made, it would ease our fears. We all want Dr. Paul to get as much money as possible, so we believe that an end of the quarter push followed by an endorsement of the July 19th money bomb is the best strategy to go with. Thanks for your time and I hope you understand the seriousness of this issue.
Don't email the campaign anymore as we have received a response from them on this issue.
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I emailed Trevor Lyman to tell him about the opposition toward July 4th and asked him to check out some of the discussion about it on the forum. I asked him to instead switch his focus toward the July 19th Ready Ames Fire money bomb, because there's a great deal of enthusiasm building around that date. He replied back to me with his opinion on the situation.
I won't post any quotes without his permission, but l will tell you that there is nothing that will change his mind about canceling July 4th, not even an email campaign convincing him to do so. Judging from his responses in the large 42 page thread that's now on the fundraising board, I'm sure you can imagine what his reply was to me. But the fact of the matter is that he won't be canceling it, so we need to make a decision here on what to do. He's going to be promoting July 4th through his email list, so many people that do not visit this forum will get his email and start promoting it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this in my opinion. More money for the campaign. If you wish to support it then go ahead and do so. You can even donate on that day if you wish to.
My major concern though is whether the campaign will endorse July 4th or wait and endorse the much preferred date of July 19th. For those who believe having two money bombs within 14 days of each other is a huge mistake, my suggestion would be to contact the campaign and tell them your concerns. Make sure they completely understand that you don't want them to endorse July 4th as an official money bomb date.
June 5th wasn't being supported until the campaign sent an email out about it. Because of that, we were then forced to get behind that date or allow the campaign's fundraising day to be painted as a failure by the media. Don't let that happen this time. Tell the campaign personally that you don't want them to endorse July 4th, state your reasons and then suggest that they do endorse July 19th. If we do nothing and the campaign endorses the 4th by sending out an email about it, then it will already be too late, and we'll be forced to interrupt the promotion of Ready Ames Fire to instead support the promotion of July 4th. We need our entire focus on promoting the 19th with no interruptions to knock us off track. Momentum is building toward something huge. We wouldn't want to lose that momentum.
So if you agree with this, we need contact information for the campaign. I don't have it, so if somebody does, please post it here for others who need it.
---
EDIT: I was instructed to contact debh at ronpaul2012.com. I"m not sure if this is the right person to contact, but I suggest you do the same or contact the person in the campaign that's most responsible for this. Here is the email I sent her...
Hi Debbie, it was suggested for me to email this to you. If I've sent this to the wrong person could you please let me know who would be responsible for this?
The majority of grassroots supporters on RonPaulForums.com have been supporting the July 19th Ready Ames Fire date as the next official money bomb. For a poll showing the amount of support over the July 4th/5th date, check out the following link...
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?296954-Vote-on-the-next-moneybomb(s)!
The reason why I'm emailing you is that we're concerned that the campaign is going to endorse and promote the July 4th/5th date as the next money bomb. We do not want the campaign to endorse this date. As for reasons why, most of the reasons are located in the discussion in the forum thread I just linked. Just a couple examples would be that it's on a date where people are not at home. They're traveling or outside the house having parties. Also, instead of allowing us to coordinate an end of the quarter donation push, it would encourage people to save their money until the beginning of the next month, something I know the campaign would not want.
The biggest reason of all though is that endorsing July 4th would sabotage the July 19th Ready Ames Fire money bomb. There is a lot of enthusiasm building on the internet around this date. I'm predicting it to become one of the largest money bombs we've had since 2007. The July 19th money bomb has almost 1,300 attendees on Facebook as of this writing where the July 4th money bomb has only 38 attendees. There is just no excitement for it. If the campaign endorses and promotes that date, it will have the unfortunate side effect of redirecting promotion for the July 19th money bomb, which is ONLY 14 DAYS LATER! That would be a massive error by the campaign in my opinion. It would sabotage July 19th and result in two sub-standard money bombs. We need our full focus to be on the promotion of July 19th.
Trevor Lyman is running the one on the 4th/5th. I've emailed him detailing the concerns of the grassroots and he responded back by telling me that there's no chance he will cancel his date. He will be promoting the 4th/5th through his email lists, so I ask the campaign now to not make the mistake of endorsing that date in any mass email. Many people are upset that Trevor is acting on this without any discussion on the issue. He seems to be acting alone on this and most are afraid he's going to sabotage July 19th. So please, allow him to promote that date by himself. It will help guarantee a donation bump on the 4th without creating any of the expectations from the media that would result from a campaign endorsement email. Like I said, doing so would force the grassroots to redirect attention away from promoting a much more popular money bomb. We also risk the chance of coming up short on July 4th because of the grassroots opposition to the date, which would attract negative media attention. If you could give us confirmation after you've made your decision that no endorsement will be made, it would ease our fears. We all want Dr. Paul to get as much money as possible, so we believe that an end of the quarter push followed by an endorsement of the July 19th money bomb is the best strategy to go with. Thanks for your time and I hope you understand the seriousness of this issue.
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