I Just Sold Stocks and Bought Gold

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This year has been super for stocks! Yeehah! So, for portfolio balancing I just sold some and bought some gold. I now keep about 25% of my portfolio in gold. But don't worry, I will still have about 25% in stocks as well, so in case the stock market keeps going up, I will continue to profit from that, as well.

That's part of the beauty of the Permanent Portfolio plan I follow, devised by Harry Browne and some associates back in the late 1970s. You rebalance whenever one of the assets gets to be too high of a percentage of the portfolio. That makes you automatically do the smart thing: sell after something has gone way up, such as the stock market in this case, and by doing that you lock in your profits. And at the same time, it also makes you buy an asset after its price has gone way down, which in this case is gold. Buy low and sell high is, of course, exactly what one wants to do if he wants to make profits. Mathematically, it is very clear and straighforward, but actually doing it in real life turns out to be anything but easy! But lucky for me, the Permanent Portfolio that Harry designed makes it so it is very easy -- it's essentially automatic. Stocks have had a big run-up so that they now consist of more than 35% of the portfolio? You sell, and buy whatever is now below 15%, bringing everything back in line to a four-way 25% split. It's simplicity itself! It's brilliant!

It takes a truly brilliant mind and a deep, focused effort to take something that is highly complex and difficult, like investing or handheld computing, and distill it down to something elegant and simple, like the Permanent Portfolio or the iPhone. Thank you, Mr. Browne, and over the years I'm sure my bottom line will thank you, too.
 
Got Bitcoins?

Your son figured out that bitcoins make sense long before I did, and I have already made a small pile of money on them.

You better hop on the train before it leaves town captain.
 
It sure sounds like you're pimping PRPFX Permanent Portfolio which is -0.93 YTD.
 
Your son figured out that bitcoins make sense long before I did, and I have already made a small pile of money on them.

You better hop on the train before it leaves town captain.

Would've should've could've...
 
it can be frustrating for the public to see a web site pop up that was just taken down.

is this a reference to SR?

frustrating to the public, huh? speak for yourself.
 
It sure sounds like you're pimping PRPFX Permanent Portfolio which is -0.93 YTD.
Hello, jbauer! Good job, finding PRPFX. No, I do not invest in PRPFX. I take a do-it-yourself approach, which I believe is superior for a variety of reasons. The Permanent Portfolio strategy is simple enough that such a do-it-yourself approach is not only possible, but easy.

I could go into the reasons if you are interested. Let me know!

That said, PRPFX could be a good alternative for an investor with a very small amount of money, say just $1,000, who wants the benefits of the protection a permanent portfolio provides.
 
Bullshit.

If you had your portfolio balanced out at 1% bitcoin you would be doing a lot better.
Are you familiar, then, with the Permanent Portfolio philosophy, and the reasoning that forms its foundation?

If so, could you explain to me how Bitcoin fits in? Thanks.
 
Would've should've could've...

It ain't too late man.

Think of it this way:

As long as market adoption is at a minimum, then bitcoin can only still skyrocket.

When these things become mass-market commodities, then their market value will necessarily go through the stratosphere because their scarcity is built-in.

It's either that, or they never become popular for some reason.

The risk to possible reward ratio is still unimaginable, because it's not every day that a new banking paradigm gets invented if you know what I'm saying.

Everyone who could halfway afford it should gamble on owning at least one unit.

If you only have $50 to gamble, hell, just gamble that.
 
it can be frustrating for the public to see a web site pop up that was just taken down.

is this a reference to SR?

frustrating to the public, huh? speak for yourself.

I believe you intended to post this in a different thread.
 
Are you familiar, then, with the Permanent Portfolio philosophy, and the reasoning that forms its foundation?

If so, could you explain to me how Bitcoin fits in? Thanks.

You make bitcoin 1% of your permanent portolio and as it rises and becomes a bigger percentage you sell some and buy other assets, like I have been doing with silver. Every time bitcoin goes up a whole bunch I buy a little bit of silver. I have more silver than I had $'s from my original investment, and I still have bitcoin.

Do you not have any bitcoin at all, or are you saying that bitcoin is a seperate investment for you that you do not consider into the permanent portfolio investment?
 
You make bitcoin 1% of your permanent portolio and as it rises and becomes a bigger percentage you sell some and buy other assets, like I have been doing with silver. Every time bitcoin goes up a whole bunch I buy a little bit of silver. I have more silver than I had $'s from my original investment, and I still have bitcoin.
What should one do if Bitcoin goes down?

Or do you believe it is inevitable that Bitcoin will continue going up, and so have not bothered to come up with any plan for the unthinkable, impossible, and indeed perhaps you would say laughable scenario in which it goes down?

Do you not have any bitcoin at all, or are you saying that bitcoin is a seperate investment for you that you do not consider into the permanent portfolio investment?
I have no Bitcoins at all. And I see no way in which Bitcoin fits into the Permanent Portfolio strategy. Based on your answer to my question of how it could fit in (which amounts to: "It goes up!"), I infer that you are not familiar with the reasoning behind the PP, dannno. Is that right?
 
I like the concept of re-balancing, but if the theory does not allow you to invest in bitcoin then it is highly flawed.

Bitcoin is selling for $750, people here have been telling you to buy since it was around $10. I believe bitcoin could possibly go to $10k - $1 mill. per coin some day, which makes what you are doing a waste of time if you can't include some bitcoin in your investments.
 
IF DOW rises from 10-20K and during the same period gas goes from 3-6 and Gold 1200-2400 how much have you gained in stocks? 0
 
What should one do if Bitcoin goes down?
Don't invest more than you can afford to lose.

Well that is very good advice, and I agree, but it does not actually answer my question. What should one do if Bitcoin goes down? Nothing? Just take the loss and lose the money? Or is there something you recommend that one should do in such an eventuality?

What is your plan, dannno? What would you do if in 2014 Bitcoin goes down 75%?

I am not talking down Bitcoin. But if you have made a speculation -- whatever it is -- without considering your exit plan, you could greatly benefit from making such a plan. And if you have not even allowed yourself to consider the possibility that your speculation will experience a long-term downward trend in value, then that is a major, major problem, bordering on delusional. This applies to any speculation, of any kind, in anything, not just Bitcoin.
 
IF DOW rises from 10-20K and during the same period gas goes from 3-6 and Gold 1200-2400 how much have you gained in stocks?
Well, it depends on how much of your personal expenses are devoted to gas and gold. If you are like most people and a relatively small protion of your budget as a consumer is spent on gas and gold products, then you have approximately doubled your money, but it will be somewhat less than double, because then taxes must be subtracted from that, esp. if you want to realize your gains immediately.

Does that answer your question?
 
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IF DOW rises from 10-20K and during the same period gas goes from 3-6 and Gold 1200-2400 how much have you gained in stocks? 0

Not true. You gained on both. Whether or not you lost real purchasing power will depend on what happened with price inflation during that time. If prices doubled, then you gained nothing on both. And you only gained if you bought at the beginning price and sold it at the higher price. Otherwise your gains only exist on paper.
 
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