Barack Obama How to convince people Obama is NOT good?

[Lishy]

Hey guys. I keep hearing on my local radio mainstreampropagandaBS about the American elections (WTF is a QUEBEC radio station talking about America's election for?) and they began ranting about giving Obama a "chance" because he "inherited" Bush's mess.

This made me realize in the general scope of things that Obama supporters really do believe he has been given an "unfair" chance, and that they believe he is a good president "fighting for our rights". And then they link this site.... http://obamaachievements.org/

I'm not an encyclopedia. I cannot counter an entire pro-Obama website.

Which brings me to my question: Can anyone make a comprehensive list of things Obama has done WRONG, especially used to counter that website? MY philosophy is if someone promises you $1000 bucks, then punches you in the face, and gives you only $100 bucks, they've still punched you in the face! But how do we transfer that stance into an anti-Obama argument?

 

[kylejack]

For one thing, that list is a little sweepingly deceptive. Obama has only stopped defending one part of DOMA, the national part. Expanding access to healthcare only seems like an achievement to people who don't remember that he was promising universal healthcare.

"Invested in clean energy" is blatantly hilariously deceptive, since the Solyndra deal went down in flames.

"Eliminated several other Al-Qaeda leaders" is another way of saying he conducted an extrajudicial assassination of an American citizen.

He didn't end the war in Iraq. Bush signed the treaty to pull out the troops by 12/31/11. Obama begged the Iraqis to let him stay and they refused. It was either pull the troops out or break the treaty and infuriate the Iraqis.

 

[kylejack]

Then you've also got what they're failing to mention, his handouts to the banks, failure to close Guantanamo, escalation of war in various countries, etc etc

 

[Lishy]

What about the "sources"? And what exactly should I say to an Obama supporter to make them think twice about him? (I mean, in the general scope of things, to someone who isn't too informed on politics in general. No particular issue.)

 

[FlatIron]

tell people to look at Obama's top campaign donors from 2008, there all investment banks who got bailouts. JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, etc.

 

[Lishy]

tell people to look at Obama's top campaign donors from 2008, there all investment banks who got bailouts. JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, etc.

Source?

Also, besides NDAA, what are some specific examples of him punching us in the face? (Even if he did some "nice" things too?)

 

[GraniteHills]

He oversees the killing of human beings via undeclared war, military operations, and assassinations. Case closed.

 

[ryanmkeisling]

What about the "sources"? And what exactly should I say to an Obama supporter to make them think twice about him? (I mean, in the general scope of things, to someone who isn't too informed on politics in general. No particular issue.)

Just look at the facts. He inherited the mess and made it worse, end of discussion. Ask them for evidence on how this isn't true? Blank stares. I get this all the time. Obama supporters are generally mindless lemmings who have no clue what the issues are.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

WALL STREET, THE BANKSTERS, and Corporations own him.

Opensecrets.com

 

[Lishy]

Can I get specific names on corrupt people he has ties with, and more specifics on what he did?

 

[emazur]

Can I get specific names on corrupt people he has ties with, and more specifics on what he did?

Yes:





If you want a whole book on Obama's crooked connections (and believe me, it's easy to fill a book with them), take a look at Obamanomics which even Ron Paul gave a plug: “Every libertarian and free-market conservative needs to read Obamanomics.”
Here's a clip from the audiobook:

 

[Lishy]

Hrmm.. A comprehensive list would be nice? (offtopic, but we need 100 crimes done by Obama, similar to the 100 achievements...)

 

[Kandilynn]

NDAA.
Takedown of MegaUpload.

 

[tttppp]

Hey guys. I keep hearing on my local radio mainstreampropagandaBS about the American elections (WTF is a QUEBEC radio station talking about America's election for?) and they began ranting about giving Obama a "chance" because he "inherited" Bush's mess.

This made me realize in the general scope of things that Obama supporters really do believe he has been given an "unfair" chance, and that they believe he is a good president "fighting for our rights". And then they link this site.... http://obamaachievements.org/

I'm not an encyclopedia. I cannot counter an entire pro-Obama website.

Which brings me to my question: Can anyone make a comprehensive list of things Obama has done WRONG, especially used to counter that website? MY philosophy is if someone promises you $1000 bucks, then punches you in the face, and gives you only $100 bucks, they've still punched you in the face! But how do we transfer that stance into an anti-Obama argument?

1. Obama stated during his campaign that there would be a dollar of cuts for every dollar of spending. Then how the hell did he double our debt if he made a dollar of cuts for every dollar of spending. Clearly he lied. Now he wants tax increases to fix the debt. This goes against what he said in his campaign.

2. Obama stated during his state of the union that we have a crumbling infrastructure and that we needed to invest in it to fix it. Well what the hell was his stimulus package for? It was suppose to fix the crumbling infrastructure. He completely pissed away the money. There should be an investigation to determine exactly what Obama did with the money. Because it clearly didn't go to fix our infrastructure. Obama said he would fix our infrastructure, he lied.

3. Said there would be no more bailouts. Bailed out GM. The auto industry is as pathetic and uncompetitive as its ever been. He did not save the auto industry, he made it worse.

 

[ryanmkeisling]

1. Obama stated during his campaign that there would be a dollar of cuts for every dollar of spending. Then how the hell did he double our debt if he made a dollar of cuts for every dollar of spending. Clearly he lied. Now he wants tax increases to fix the debt. This goes against what he said in his campaign.

2. Obama stated during his state of the union that we have a crumbling infrastructure and that we needed to invest in it to fix it. Well what the hell was his stimulus package for? It was suppose to fix the crumbling infrastructure. He completely pissed away the money. There should be an investigation to determine exactly what Obama did with the money. Because it clearly didn't go to fix our infrastructure. Obama said he would fix our infrastructure, he lied.

3. Said there would be no more bailouts. Bailed out GM. The auto industry is as pathetic and uncompetitive as its ever been. He did not save the auto industry, he made it worse.

Some of that money did go to fixing the infrastructure because they repaved all of the roads in my area. It took a long time and was surly a waste of money but it did happen. They had flaggers on the road while they were paving and one day I found myself stopped right next to one. I asked him, being that the state of Ca is broke, "where is the money coming from to do this?" he looked at me and said "Obama, but it is a shame because in the long term this is a bad thing." I said to the guy, "Ron Paul?" He smiled and said, "you too?"

This guy was getting mad overtime and still he understood, so people are aware. It made me realize that this thing could be won this time, this was in August of last year.

 

[tttppp]

Some of that money did go to fixing the infrastructure because they repaved all of the roads in my area. It took a long time and was surly a waste of money but it did happen. They had flaggers on the road while they were paving and one day I found myself stopped right next to one. I asked him, being that the state of Ca is broke, "where is the money coming from to do this?" he looked at me and said "Obama, but it is a shame because in the long term this is a bad thing." I said to the guy, "Ron Paul?" He smiled and said, "you too?"

This guy was getting mad overtime and still he understood, so people are aware. It made me realize that this thing could be won this time, this was in August of last year.

Thats the first I've ever heard of it. My area (Connecticut) has been in need of new roads for years and nothing got done.

When you decide to spend money, you need to have a specific project in mind before you spend it. Or else your just spending money for the sake of spending it.

Our electric grid is crap, even Obama stated this during his state of the union. Nothing obviously got done. Our public transit in most cities is poor to non-existent, and nothing got done. A developing country like China has futuristic high speed rail and we have none, even after the stimulus. These are the types of positive things government can do when they spend money. I haven't heard of any of these things getting done. If you're going to spend money at least get something in return. In my opinion Obama would have been better off donating the stimulus to charity.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

ask... are you happy after 3-4 years under Obama?

 

[AceNZ]

How to convince people Obama is NOT good?

Use his own words against him.

For starters:

Solyndra
Ener1
His Chicago connections
Leo Gerard
How many more people are on food stamps now
Shore Bank (now Urban Partnership Bank)
Railing against the rich while taking frequent vacations and spending money like it was water
Jetting around the world at huge expense
His wife's extravagant travels
He and his wife's huge personal staff (are they public servants or King and Queen?)
Fast and Furious (gun running into Mexico authorized by the ATF under Obama's watch & possible direction)
Obamacare
The current unemployment rate
The money from Obama's trillion dollar "stimulus" program went where?
His increasing push for globalization and the destruction of America

 

[Lishy]

Use his own words against him.

For starters:

Solyndra
Ener1
His Chicago connections
Leo Gerard
How many more people are on food stamps now
Shore Bank (now Urban Partnership Bank)
Railing against the rich while taking frequent vacations and spending money like it was water
Jetting around the world at huge expense
His wife's extravagant travels
He and his wife's huge personal staff (are they public servants or King and Queen?)
Fast and Furious (gun running into Mexico authorized by the ATF under Obama's watch & possible direction)
Obamacare
The current unemployment rate
The money from Obama's trillion dollar "stimulus" program went where?
His increasing push for globalization and the destruction of America

Could you please explain all of these in-depth?

 

[AceNZ]

Could you please explain all of these in-depth?

That's a big ask. You could probably write a book on many of them.

Let me give it some thought and see if I can come up with (or point to) some decent summaries.

BTW, for that website mentioned in the OP, one could also argue that most of those so-called "accomplishments" were anything but. Even on bin Laden, there's evidence that Obama was against the assault and in fact either didn't authorize it at all, or only authorized it after it was in motion.