How natural rights can work by sobering up tyranny

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Figure there are two necessary parts involved in the act of exploitation. While one part is the utilization of a superior position in order to take advantage of the inferior positions of others, the other part is the revelry involved afterwards when one celebrates their successful exploitations.
Natural rights don't work to combat exploitation the same way civil rights do. As civil rights work on the individual level either by weakening the superior position of the advantaged individuals or by strengthening the position of the inferior position of the disadvantaged people, natural rights work by shaming the tyrant or tyranny into sobering up. In doing so, any rights they may have felt in reveling in their exploitations become unjustified. Indeed, the ignorance concerning any pain and suffering they may have caused towards others is removed. In essence, the stimulating joy in the acts of their exploitation is nullified.
This is why I have been reducing to an American dichotomy. In comparison to the long lasting conflict going on between the people and the tyranny they are trying to control, with this being a quite pitiful relationship and one which has been going on forever, the false dichotomies, the wayward teachings supporting black versus white, male versus female, old against young, and so on, shrink in significance.
Over time, our government has become a bevy of drunkards intoxicated on the false powers of manipulation. I dare say that most in this forum are also under this influence. This is the reason for such irreverence against our Founding Fathers and The Declaration of Independence in exchange for reverence towards those modern legal sophisticates who push the U.S. Constitution instead. This is why people in here forsake the true power of natural rights for the false ones involving our civil rights.
Legally speaking, before a new marriage can be justified, the reasons for the divorce from the old marriage must be considered. This is why The Declaration of Independence must take precedence over The U.S. Constitution. In the end, the U.S. Constitution only has meaning because of how it concerns the people's Civil Purpose in The Declaration of Independence.

 

[jkr]

thats what im saying
after this "election" i am DROPPING the whole constitution discussion and differing to the Declaration of Independence.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

thats what im saying
after this "election" i am DROPPING the whole constitution discussion and differing to the Declaration of Independence.

Keep in mind, after we manage to regain control over tyranny, that we shouldn't resort to the utilization of civil rights in an attempt at putting our enemies out of business. That is the whole problem. It is the fallacy that 51% of us can put the other 49% out of business to the benefit of all. So, the real problem is too many lawyers.
I am here for happiness and, with a lot of encouragement from the Lord, for the happiness of others. It takes a lot of courage to walk that path. Really, there is no other reason to celebrate life than that we have finally successfully managed our lives to the extent that we are making a living serving people and making them happy.
Everything else is the workings of inequity.

 

[Czolgosz]

Read the Declaration, again. Save for the specific list of grievances, this is applicable today.

Free people should start another colony, together...and declare their independence.


Read it.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

 

[Anti Federalist]

Read the Declaration, again. Save for the specific list of grievances, this is applicable today.

Free people should start another colony, together...and declare their independence.


Read it.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

Shit, I find that many of the grievances still apply.


He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

thats what im saying
after this "election" i am DROPPING the whole constitution discussion and differing to the Declaration of Independence.

You know what??? Thats a good idea... I think im going to start doing that too.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Shit, I find that many of the grievances still apply.


He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

Indeed, one can see president Obama in these grievances. But be careful not to be ad hominem about it as Obama isn't the only one. My argument is these leaders aren't tyrants by conscience, but they have been made drunkards by the false powers of manipulation. Once they have been made aware of how they are in contempt of the people and their Civil Purpose, then there won't be any more joy left in the celebrating of their exploitations.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Shit, I find that many of the grievances still apply.


He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

duplicate

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Shit, I find that many of the grievances still apply.

QFT!!! I'd +rep ya, but You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again. I haz teh sad.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

QFT!!! I'd +rep ya, but You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again. I haz teh sad.

It would seem to me a good way to demonstrate how president Obama is behaving as a tyrant today in a similar fashion to how king George once behaved in the past would be to reference a certain particular grevience from the ones proclaimed by our Founders in The Declaration of Independence and to have quoted in reference to the similar offenses Obama is commiting today, you know, have it posted at the top of the page, before offering any further discussion on the issue. Indeed, king Obama surely feels just as justified within the loop of his vast Washingtonian empire as president George once did in England over his vast empire.