How can International Supporters of Ron Paul who ARENT US Citizens legally contribute

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How can International Supporters of Ron Paul who ARENT US Citizens legally contribute to the Ron Paul R3volution???
 
Chipin Accounts is the Answer!

Go to www.ronpaulgraphs.com/chipin.html

Here you will find lots of chipin accounts that can accept money from anywhere. These are not affiliated with HQ so its totally legal. I run the Euro-Aid For Ron Paul Chipin. We will be raising money o produce buttons and stuff to send them to the US. If it takes off we are considerng putting together radio adds and such. Also we would like to raise awareness of Ron Paul here in Europe. Many of us are American but some are European. There are lots of Europeans who understand the importance of getting Ron elected. I think there is an untapped resource here for the campaign.

Also, if you are American please give directly to the campaign. However, grassroots effort need support too because these give our movement flexibility and diversity. November the fifth was a grassroots effort. If you are an American who has already donated $2300 also consider donating to chipin accounts.

Peter
 
MODS! Is there any way to make this a title across tha main page?

"International supporters! Support the chip-ins!" (or something like that in a big banner)
 
It is ILLEGAL for non-US ciizens to donate to Ron Paul ChipIns!

Non US-citizens cannot directly or indirectly fund a US federal election campaign. :(

ChipIns are indirectly funding a campaign -- am I wrong? Is it worth getting the official campaign in hot water? I don't think it would be fair to Dr. Paul. Email and let me know what you think.

Lisa C.
Brisbane, Australia
iamvoting4ronpaul(at)mac.com

Official info here: http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml
 
IamVoting4RonPaul said:
Non US-citizens cannot directly or indirectly fund a US federal election campaign. :(

ChipIns are indirectly funding a campaign -- am I wrong? Is it worth getting the official campaign in hot water? I don't think it would be fair to Dr. Paul. Email and let me know what you think.

Lisa C.
Brisbane, Australia
iamvoting4ronpaul(at)mac.com

Official info here: http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml
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The person spending the money is local though, it's THEIR money
 
kimosabi said:
How can International Supporters of Ron Paul who ARENT US Citizens legally contribute to the Ron Paul R3volution???
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This is hopefully the correct answer (quoted below)
* If anyone else calls the FEC it is important to be able to document exactly what question is asked.

Thank you.
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posted by=torchbearer

"Also- foriegners can use Chipins that support the RON PAUL FORUMS. They can use chipins for a billboard being bought by Billy Bob in Kansas.... and then they can legally drop money into a chipin that helps Stacey in Alaska paint Ron Paul all over her car...etc.
As long as the money donated does not ended up in the campaign... directly, or indirectly (meaning, i can't take their money and then donate it to the campaign as my own)"

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Edit:

Here is another key point related to the law:

"Monitoring Prohibited Contributions

When a federal political committee (a committee active in federal elections) receives a contribution it believes may be from a foreign national, it must:..."

This is written "about federal political committees" which are registered.
We are independent individuals.
 
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Indy Vidual said:
This is hopefully the correct answer (quoted below)
* If anyone else calls the FEC it is important to be able to document exactly what question is asked.

Thank you.
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posted by=torchbearer

"Also- foriegners can use Chipins that support the RON PAUL FORUMS. They can use chipins for a billboard being bought by Billy Bob in Kansas.... and then they can legally drop money into a chipin that helps Stacey in Alaska paint Ron Paul all over her car...etc.
As long as the money donated does not ended up in the campaign... directly, or indirectly (meaning, i can't take their money and then donate it to the campaign as my own)"

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Edit:

Here is another key point related to the law:

"Monitoring Prohibited Contributions

When a federal political committee (a committee active in federal elections) receives a contribution it believes may be from a foreign national, it must:..."

This is written "about federal political committees" which are registered.
We are independent individuals.
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Excellent post. Have been asked before and wanted to ask this in the main Grassroots forum. I'm assuming this goes with the legal residents as well (green card holders, business visa etc). For these guys, Chipin it is!
 
I would like to propose that all us from overseas put into a fund where advertisements on the internet are purchased. It would be a way we could directly contribute to the campaign in a legal fashion, but also get the message directly to American voters. The aim would be to advertise on websites frequented by those in the position to vote for him in the primaries. I would like to know what everyone thinks about this one?
 
jordie said:
I would like to propose that all us from overseas put into a fund where advertisements on the internet are purchased. It would be a way we could directly contribute to the campaign in a legal fashion, but also get the message directly to American voters. The aim would be to advertise on websites frequented by those in the position to vote for him in the primaries. I would like to know what everyone thinks about this one?
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So many proposals, not enough dollars and action. I am pleading with you to support actions that are being done at grassroots level through chipins. Ours is at http://www.ronpaulinternational.com/ at the top of the list in Iowa but we've received no new donations - probably because you have to go through several pages and all ask that you have a green card or are a US citizen. These folks can give directly to the campaign. What we need is support for chipins. YOU cannot get Dr Paul in trouble because these donations DO NOT go to the official campaign. He cannot be responsible for what he has no control over.

We need massive lit drops now and local paper ad buys which are very cheap. And the media gives 10x the coverage to the "top tier" so even now many many people have never heard of Ron Paul or think he has no chance.

PLEASE SUPPORT CHIPINS!!! The grassroots really needs the support. I need to buy ads, yard signs and slimjims to get to the 12,000 voters in our county in Iowa but we have no money. see http://www.myspace.com/ronpaul_liberty to donate. You don't have to be a US citizen to give a few dollars to chipins.

Thanks !
 
BrianH said:
So many proposals, not enough dollars and action. I am pleading with you to support actions that are being done at grassroots level through chipins. Ours is at http://www.ronpaulinternational.com/ at the top of the list in Iowa but we've received no new donations - probably because you have to go through several pages and all ask that you have a green card or are a US citizen. These folks can give directly to the campaign. What we need is support for chipins. YOU cannot get Dr Paul in trouble because these donations DO NOT go to the official campaign. He cannot be responsible for what he has no control over.

We need massive lit drops now and local paper ad buys which are very cheap. And the media gives 10x the coverage to the "top tier" so even now many many people have never heard of Ron Paul or think he has no chance.

PLEASE SUPPORT CHIPINS!!! The grassroots really needs the support. I need to buy ads, yard signs and slimjims to get to the 12,000 voters in our county in Iowa but we have no money. see http://www.myspace.com/ronpaul_liberty to donate. You don't have to be a US citizen to give a few dollars to chipins.

Thanks !
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Hi Brain,

Thanks for the information. I'm more than happy to donate to the chip-ins, and I plan to. I just noted that I didn't see any chipin group for internet advertisements, which i think can play a crucial role, specifically about increasing awareness about Ron Paul within America.

I was talking to trevor from teaparty about having an 'international fund' that would be separate, but would still be aimed at having a large donation on the same day. He did put up a page, www.teaparty07.com/chipin.htm. He however has since taken this page down, due to advice. Most likely his call to FEC from what I've read just now.

I'll try to get in touch with him again, as from these forums it appears chipins might be allowed. But perhaps instead we could get him to list or link to all the current chipins instead? This would get a lot more traffic from the teaparty site and newsletter. It would also get international supports more likely to spread the message if they know they and their friends can be involved. This in-turn would also inform more Americans.
 
Teaparty too late for Iowa

Our primary is January 3rd so we need to ramp up some action now as well as in late December. Grass roots supporters strength is in those DISSILLUSIONED with politics and these folks are very reluctant to respond to the RP official campaign pleas to do telephoning. But they will do lit drops on cars. We need to but local ads and buy slim jims but our supporters all donated on Nov 5th and don't have money for more donations. So I think we have the only Iowa chipin right now and we are first in the Primaries. Our chipin is at http://www.myspace.com/ronpaul_liberty

Thanks

Many chipins are listed by Dan at Ronpaulgraphs.com I really encouraged him to do this and he's got tons there now. By the time we got ours set up his page was full and not accepting new chipins. From what I can see there is not much action there in terms of donations. The grassroots in rural areas holds the key to getting a lot of votes and needs support.
 
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There is one guaranteed legal way

There is one guaranteed legal way to support him: produce our own stuff. YouTubes, pamphlets, posting links to news sites, blogging, spreading the word. What we do by ourselves, for ourselves, is simply outside the scope of USA law - no matter how it's interpreted.
 
Send me money and I will donate it on the 16th. I will not be able to afford much for the 16th.

Besides that you could donate towards a Youtube Ron Paul Blimp - YRPB.
 
Elijah said:
Send me money and I will donate it on the 16th. I will not be able to afford much for the 16th.

Besides that you could donate towards a Youtube Ron Paul Blimp - YRPB.
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I would love to, but that has been deemed most clearly illegal by the FEC. Its considered 'indirectly' funding the campaign by foreigners. If we went ahead with it and people found this post, you'd be in deep trouble and we'd might have trouble entering the US on travel. So we shouldn't go ahead with it at all.

We need to find proper methods for how international supporters can help out within the system. For now, chipins and personal works seem the best route. The last thing we want is to endanger the campaign through illegal activity and gain bad press. Its not like it is 'any press is good press' either, as I can't see Americans being too happy about it as the media would surely represented it as foreigners trying to meddle in American politics.
 
BrianH said:
So many proposals, not enough dollars and action. I am pleading with you to support actions that are being done at grassroots level through chipins. Ours is at http://www.ronpaulinternational.com/ at the top of the list in Iowa but we've received no new donations - probably because you have to go through several pages and all ask that you have a green card or are a US citizen. These folks can give directly to the campaign. What we need is support for chipins. YOU cannot get Dr Paul in trouble because these donations DO NOT go to the official campaign. He cannot be responsible for what he has no control over.

We need massive lit drops now and local paper ad buys which are very cheap. And the media gives 10x the coverage to the "top tier" so even now many many people have never heard of Ron Paul or think he has no chance.

PLEASE SUPPORT CHIPINS!!! The grassroots really needs the support. I need to buy ads, yard signs and slimjims to get to the 12,000 voters in our county in Iowa but we have no money. see http://www.myspace.com/ronpaul_liberty to donate. You don't have to be a US citizen to give a few dollars to chipins.

Thanks !
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ok brian , i chipped in ... every little bit helps



kill the banks
 
One Legal Way for Foreign Nationals to Help

IANAL, but I am a paralegal, and I have researched this subject extensively, as I am forming a 527 soft money fund, and would love to be able to receive money from foreign nationals, but I cannot. I cannot give you legal advice, but I can give you my $.02.

IamVoting4RonPaul is correct. Direct or indirect influence by foreigners in US elections is illegal. ChipIns, PAC's, 527's, or other funds where the money will be used to influence elections are not allowed, either.

While this thread is titled about foreign nationals, there are some mentions about those in the US. With most ChipIn funds, the donors can reasonably expect a substantial portion of their contributions to go to the express advocacy of Ron Paul's election. Accordingly, it will count as a donation to his campaign.

I have found one way that is 100% legal for foreign nationals to contribute to sharing an important message of liberty that is very aligned with Ron Paul. There is even legal precedent on it. The details are at http://www.ronpaulmax.com/foreign_nationals.html.

Please pass word.

Update: New thread here.

Yours in Liberty,

Jerry
RonPaulMax.com
 
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