Help me answer this guy.

[LuisLA]

KingKhalil. you know nothing about politics ..or anything to do with government. If your going to give your opinion atleast back it up with facts


If you comprehended the most basic things about the market and private property then you'd understand what I'm talking about, since that's not the case, things that should be apparent need "facts" for you.


lol Tell me then. What about our free market?


Our free market needs regulation in order to encourage competition, helloo? If the market isn't heavily regulated and the lower classes helped by the government firms can not only take advantage of the consumers by creating monopolies but also exploit workers who see themselves forced to work on harsh conditions due to the government not offering them viable ways of survival. The private system exists for profit and creating libertarian policies will create an unbalanced society where the rich hold all the power. It also, contrary to popular belief, doesn't advance much. It's market regulation that ensures competition by helping small companies and restricting big ones. What does competition means? Lower prices, commodity, and new products... All the things companies do in order to sell more. The government also makes sure that every individual has a chance to excel without their economic circumstances closing doors for them. This accounts for a society full of workers that are able to provide new products and services for society. Progressive taxes in order to balance out and make sure that everyone pays their respective part to the public. There's also the case of the government taxing you for things you do that affect other people, like with gas emission laws, it pushes out the bad companies with a lot of polution out of the market with heavy taxes and the lighter companies have less of a burden and thus, more profit to invest. The ideal market system is a heavily regulated one, that's how society advances and benefits as a whole... If you want rich elites and foreign companies dictating the suffering of your children (effects of neo liberalism in south America, for example) then that's okay, you can stick to your libertarian doctrine.

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[ShowMeLiberty]

KingKhalil. you know nothing about politics ..or anything to do with government. If your going to give your opinion atleast back it up with facts


If you comprehended the most basic things about the market and private property then you'd understand what I'm talking about, since that's not the case, things that should be apparent need "facts" for you.


lol Tell me then. What about our free market?


Our free market needs regulation in order to encourage competition, helloo? If the market isn't heavily regulated and the lower classes helped by the government firms can not only take advantage of the consumers by creating monopolies but also exploit workers who see themselves forced to work on harsh conditions due to the government not offering them viable ways of survival. The private system exists for profit and creating libertarian policies will create an unbalanced society where the rich hold all the power. It also, contrary to popular belief, doesn't advance much. It's market regulation that ensures competition by helping small companies and restricting big ones. What does competition means? Lower prices, commodity, and new products... All the things companies do in order to sell more. The government also makes sure that every individual has a chance to excel without their economic circumstances closing doors for them. This accounts for a society full of workers that are able to provide new products and services for society. Progressive taxes in order to balance out and make sure that everyone pays their respective part to the public. There's also the case of the government taxing you for things you do that affect other people, like with gas emission laws, it pushes out the bad companies with a lot of polution out of the market with heavy taxes and the lighter companies have less of a burden and thus, more profit to invest. The ideal market system is a heavily regulated one, that's how society advances and benefits as a whole... If you want rich elites and foreign companies dictating the suffering of your children (effects of neo liberalism in south America, for example) then that's okay, you can stick to your libertarian doctrine.

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Congratulations, you've just rewritten the Communist Manifesto in 500 words or less. Care to discuss free markets now?

 

[LuisLA]

that should be my response?

 

[ShowMeLiberty]

that should be my response?

That's what I would say, but that's me. This person obviously has no concept of what a free market really is and it would take a very long time to educate them. At most I'd offer links to mises.org though I doubt this person would read anything there with an open mind. The person seems quite content with socialism.

 

[LuisLA]

Can someone please try to help me answer this guy.. A good answer. Take ur time on it.

 

[TheEvilDetector]

Ok here is how you go about it..

Just copy my comments.

KingKhalil. you know nothing about politics ..or anything to do with government. If your going to give your opinion atleast back it up with facts

Ok. I will try my best to learn.

If you comprehended the most basic things about the market and private property then you'd understand what I'm talking about, since that's not the case, things that should be apparent need "facts" for you.

Yes.

lol Tell me then. What about our free market?


Our free market needs regulation in order to encourage competition, helloo?

Why would competition be discouraged with less or no regulation?

If the market isn't heavily regulated and the lower classes helped by the government firms can not only take advantage of the consumers by creating monopolies

But a market without regulation cannot prohibit entry by a new competitor offering products at cheaper prices.

but also exploit workers who see themselves forced to work on harsh conditions

Workers can unite and strike, put fear into their employer as far as bottom line goes.

due to the government not offering them viable ways of survival.

People can survive without government.

When the first caveman exited the cave, he didn't drop dead due to lack of government. You can extrapolate from that, consider nomads.

The private system exists for profit and creating libertarian policies will create an unbalanced society where the rich hold all the power.

No, rich only have power if government helps them out. Without government rich only have power to buy things, not to compel.

It also, contrary to popular belief, doesn't advance much.

How about US, it was much more libertarian earlier, it advanced quite a bit.

Was the envy of the world for some time.

It's market regulation that ensures competition

What ensures healthy competition is sound currency and free markets.

by helping small companies and restricting big ones.

That is not a free market

What does competition means? Lower prices, commodity, and new products... All the things companies do in order to sell more. The government also makes sure that every individual has a chance to excel without their economic circumstances closing doors for them.

Take from Peter to pay Paul?

Peter is not helped.

This accounts for a society full of workers that are able to provide new products and services for society. Progressive taxes in order to balance out and make sure that everyone pays their respective part to the public.

Thats legalised theft.

There's also the case of the government taxing you for things you do that affect other people, like with gas emission laws, it pushes out the bad companies with a lot of polution out of the market with heavy taxes and the lighter companies have less of a burden and thus, more profit to invest.

The same could be achieved without emission laws, due to private property litigation on the basis of pollution and people choosing vehicles that emitted less for health reasons.

The ideal market system is a heavily regulated one,

Quite the opposite. It's also illogical. If more regulation leads to a more ideal market, then at what point do you stop introducing laws ? It seems you don't until you regulate every microactivity possible. This leads to inefficiency, given that there exist many ways to do something and government cannot possibly know the best way.

that's how society advances and benefits as a whole...

Society is stifled by excessive government. Taxes too high, regulations too burdensome.
People can't run profitable businesses. People choose to go on benefits because its deemed easier.
People work 6 months of the year for government.

If you want rich elites and foreign companies dictating the suffering of your children (effects of neo liberalism in south America, for example) then that's okay, you can stick to your libertarian doctrine.

That's quite an assumption you make. Where are all these facts to back this up.

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HTH

 

[Danke]

The irony is that people were clamoring to tax those that benefited from privileges of government dealings (a 100+ years ago). That is what brought about the income tax. What started out as a just tax, has been misinterpreted (and applied) to ordinary gains and profits in the private sector unrelated to government privileges.

The tax code is still constitutional in that regard, but most don't realize it and want to abolish it for lack of knowledge as to which activities it applies.

It is hard to undo decades of misinformation and resentment about taxation.

 

[Indy Vidual]

The ideal market system is a heavily regulated one, that's how society advances and benefits as a whole...

Totally false...

Central gov power allows well-connected people to abuse the system.
True (decentralized) freedom is how society advances and benefits as a whole.

 

[LuisLA]

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