Gun laws in canada

[r33d33]

I'm having trouble discussing gun laws with a canadian citizen who showed me how much less murders are comitted in Canada vs. the US per capita and canada has very stringent gun laws. Can anyone help me out here?

 

[Bman]

Antarctica has no gun laws and no gun violence.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm having trouble discussing gun laws with a canadian citizen who showed me how much less murders are comitted in Canada vs. the US per capita and canada has very stringent gun laws. Can anyone help me out here?

Apples and bowling balls.

Canada has much less crime overall than the US.

For reasons that, if discussed in "polite society", will get you shouted down.

 

[Southron]

Personally, I wouldn't argue it based on the effectiveness of gun laws.

Try arguing it from a moral point of view.

 

[Mini-Me]

I'm having trouble discussing gun laws with a canadian citizen who showed me how much less murders are comitted in Canada vs. the US per capita and canada has very stringent gun laws. Can anyone help me out here?

I'm just here to post a quick hit and run, so here goes.

I don't know off the top of my head where to find the numbers, but compare the murder rates in places like Chicago, D.C., NYC, etc., which have very restrictive gun laws, to the murder rates in places that respect gun rights. If you do, you'll find that people making international comparisons are abusing statistics: The trick here is that the US is not a homogeneous unit with a single set of gun laws, and the places with strict gun control are ironically [but unsurprisingly] the very places that make our murder rates look so bad in the first place. In any case, the most reliable statistical comparisons you can do are between the same city (or state, etc.) before and after gun control laws become much stricter or much more relaxed. International comparisons are probably the worst and most unreliable comparisons anyone could possibly make, because they are the very worst at isolating the variable in question, and that is especially true when the US is involved (since it has such wildly varying gun laws in different locations).

Obviously, the US has some major crime problems, but they have nothing to do with the ridiculous notion that there are "too many guns on the streets." The real reasons are totally different: For instance, the enormous War on Drugs has created a violent black market, which is deeply exacerbated by our abysmal education system, inflationary policies, an increasingly corporatist and less productive/efficient economy, and deliberate social stratification (by TPTB, to keep us divided). These circumstances have created a lot of desperate people with no guidance, no role models, no productive goals for the future, and nothing to lose. There are other cultural factors at play too, and our crime rate was actually at its worst a few decades ago anyway, but the above combination alone is a pretty potent recipe for high crime rates.

 

[Toureg89]

and everything said above me, lol.

I'm having trouble discussing gun laws with a canadian citizen who showed me how much less murders are comitted in Canada vs. the US per capita and canada has very stringent gun laws. Can anyone help me out here?

a concept such as "crime rate" is way too complex to determine just by easy access to a firearm.

so tell your canadian friend that just because there might be less crime in Canada, there is no way he can logically prove that it is specifically because of gun laws.

 

[Deborah K]

People don't commit less crime because there are no guns allowed. They'll just resort to other methods. Less crime is usually the result of less addiction and less economic hardship.

Canadians are screwed if their gov't ever decides to turn on them. They'll have no way to defend themselves.

 

[Pericles]

Switzerland - over 500 thousand automatic select fire, real deal assault rifles in people's homes don't seem to be a problem in a country of less than 7.5 million population.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Switzerland - over 500 thousand automatic select fire, real deal assault rifles in people's homes don't seem to be a problem in a country of less than 7.5 million population.

That is a good example.

 

[Toureg89]

Switzerland - over 500 thousand automatic select fire, real deal assault rifles in people's homes don't seem to be a problem in a country of less than 7.5 million population.

yeah, this more or less proves the point that easy access to a firearm is but one of MANY factors effecting crime rate in a society.

 

[puppetmaster]

Apples and bowling balls.

Canada has much less crime overall than the US.

For reasons that, if discussed in "polite society", will get you shouted down.

This is the truth