Goverment to take 100% control of student loans!

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http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090918-707269.html

Holy crap....

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- The U.S. House of Representatives approved legislation Thursday that would effectively end private-lender involvement in the student loan market, establishing the federal government as the sole provider of college loans.

The bill introduces sweeping changes to the U.S. higher education system, and serves as the third central plank of U.S. President Barack Obama's domestic agenda. It aims to make college more accessible and improve graduation rates.

"This bill will end the billions upon billions of dollars in unwarranted subsidies that we hand out to banks and financial institutions, and will use that money to guarantee access to low-cost loans," Obama said in a statement.

Like the continuing efforts at overhauling health care, the changes to the federal government's higher education policies would have a serious impact on the bottom line for private-sector players currently serving the market place.

The House vote was 253-to-171, largely along party lines.

Under the legislation, all lenders would be cut out of the market for originating loans. There would still be a role for private banks and lenders to bid for a limited number of contracts to service the loans after they are made by the government.

The Federal Family Education Loan Program, wherein the government guarantees loans made by private lenders, remains the single largest source of college loans. Lenders made related loans for students at 4,465 schools for the 2008-09 academic years. Loan volume totalled $74 billion, up 13% from $65.3 billion a year earlier.

For companies like SLM Corp. (SLM), better known as Sallie Mae, the proposed changes are already having an impact. This week, Fitch Ratings downgraded Sallie Mae to BBB- status, and called its outlook negative.

Sallie Mae's shares closed down 2.71% at $8.99.

"Today the House made a clear choice to stop funneling vital taxpayer dollars through board rooms and start sending them directly to dorm rooms," said Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., the chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee.

The Obama administration would use anticipated savings from the measure to increase grants for low-income students, boost funding for minority student groups, provide money for school construction, with a small portion left over to pay down the deficit.

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office said that ending fees paid to private lenders would save the taxpayer $87 billion over the next decade.

An alternative proposal floated by a group of lenders including Sallie Mae would realize the same level of savings, the CBO said.

In the Senate, staff on the Health Education Labor and Pensions Committee are drafting legislation similar to the House version, according to a Senate Democratic aide.

The Senate bill also would end private-lender origination of loans, the aide said, leaving the federal government as the sole provider of college loans.

Martha Holler, a spokeswoman for Sallie Mae, said the Senate has the opportunity to pass legislation that realizes significant savings "without sacrificing choice and competition for students."

The House vote comes after more than two years of turmoil for the student loan industry.

In 2007, Congress reduced government payments to lenders making federally guaranteed student loans by more than $20 billion.

The resulting cut in profits came just as credit markets were beginning to seize up, eventually making it nearly impossible for lenders to package student loans into securities and sell them to investors, a key source of liquidity in the student loan market.

Complaining that the business is no longer profitable, more than 180 lenders have exited all or part of the federal student loan program since the fall of 2007.

Still, remaining lenders have fought against the changes, arguing that providing loans to students is among the best ways to establish a relationship with new clients that could lead to more lucrative business in the future.

Passage of the legislation would require the Department of Education to accommodate around 4,000 schools by next July 1. And those schools would have to have their processing systems prepared well before that since most financial aid packages are typically distributed in the spring.

Lending experts at some of the largest schools in the country, such as the University of Notre Dame, have said that they won't have sufficient time to make the transition to a government-run lending program.


Having lined up additional contractors to handle the anticipated increase in direct-loan volume, federal officials say they are prepared. Absent an unanticipated breakdown in the system, industry observers say borrowers are unlikely to notice the shift.

House lawmakers attached a measure to the student loan bill ending all federal government funding of the community organizing group Acorn - the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. The group has long been in the cross hairs of Republicans, but more recently has been accused of widespread fraud and other illegal activities.
 
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And as a result, tuition will soar since all loans will be government backed.

And students will be compelled to take part in Obama Youth programs to get a portion of their student loans forgiven.
 
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Guys, this actually is an improvement. The federal loans of the past were actually loans from banks like citi and BoA. Interest was payed by tax payers, so the banks basically had a zero risk loan. Now the government is dealing with all the money, taking banks out of the picture (well, almost).

Of course, this doesn't mean you can't get private loans, it's just that the government backed loans are done completely (almost) in house now. I just see it as citibank having one less way to drain money out of tax payer pockets.
 
As a result, tuition will soar since all loans will be government backed.

And students will be compelled to take part in Obama Youth programs to get a portion of their student loans forgiven.

You got it - this is a step toward the Obama youth Corp.

Also note the bit about minorities - like in the health care bill - if you're a minority, medical school here you go! and on the gvmts dime, but if your a WASP, well, sorry - your out of luck.

And you're right - tuition rates are going to skyrocket! Perhaps private schools will benefit from this.

supposedly, this is going to save the gvmt 80 Billion a year... Education rationing here we come!

YeeHaw!!!!!!!!!

-t
 
Guys, this actually is a deterioration. The federal loans of the past were actually loans from banks like citi and BoA. Interest was payed by tax payers, so the banks basically had a zero risk loan. Now the government is dealing with all the money, taking banks out of the picture (well, almost).

Of course, this doesn't mean you can't get private loans, it's just that the government backed loans are done completely (almost) in house now. I just see it as Government having one MORE way to drain money out of tax payer pockets.

fixed that for ya
 
I feel bad for new students to universities that need loans.

Get grants and scholarships to pay all you can.

My loan was transfered to the Dept of Education and they are relentless with telling me that my payments are due at the end of the year. They even sent me separate letters saying what my interest is on certain payment styles. I plan on paying it off in 3 months or less :|

I'd rather be paying Wachovia back instead of these goons even if it is fiat money.
 
Actually, this is an improvement over the previous system.


Before this legislation banks would borrow from other banks at the LIBOR rate or from the Fed at rates as low as 1% then lend to students at 6.2% (set by Congress). The government also backed the debt in case the student defaulted. So the government was the only one who could lose, and the banks could make 5.2% with OPM.
 
You guys probably aren't old enough to remember, but they certainly didn't plan to to take over student loans. They were only going to provide a public, affordable option.
 
Guys, this actually is an improvement. The federal loans of the past were actually loans from banks like citi and BoA. Interest was payed by tax payers, so the banks basically had a zero risk loan. Now the government is dealing with all the money, taking banks out of the picture (well, almost).

Of course, this doesn't mean you can't get private loans, it's just that the government backed loans are done completely (almost) in house now. I just see it as citibank having one less way to drain money out of tax payer pockets.

Agreed. IMO, its an improvement. Obviously not what I wanted, but an improvement still.
 
Actually, this is an improvement over the previous system.


Before this legislation banks would borrow from other banks at the LIBOR rate or from the Fed at rates as low as 1% then lend to students at 6.2% (set by Congress). The government also backed the debt in case the student defaulted. So the government was the only one who could lose, and the banks could make 5.2% with OPM.

You just made the case for ending the Fed and getting government involvement completely out of the business of financing higher education, not getting more involved in it.
 
Where in the Constitution is this authorized? Can anyone cite this?!?!

Technically speaking the current system (government subsidizing private bank loans) isn't in the constitution either. I'm not really sure about this one. Nobody has debated that the change won't save money. Some in the GOP are complaining about the potential loss of 34,000 jobs in the finance industry. But I didn't think the student loan program was supposed to be a jobs program.

What we need to look at is are there free market approaches that can reduce the cost of a college and/or university education? Take law school for instance. I could save a ton of money if I went to Nashville School of Law or to an online law school. But the ABA has a lock on state bar panels and the deck is stacked against non ABA approved schools. I read a case of a lawyer who graduated from NSL, was able to practice in Tennessee, but wasn't allowed to stand for the bar across the border in Kentucky. The KY bar did "evaluate" NSL to see if it met their standards. The evaluator they sent was a dean from a KY ABA approved law school. Talk about your conflict of interest! :eek:
 
Of course, this doesn't mean you can't get private loans, it's just that the government backed loans are done completely (almost) in house now. I just see it as citibank having one less way to drain money out of tax payer pockets.

So the only instrument in the banking industry the government won't insure are the instruments are in the markets that the government competes in?

Citibank can't drain your wallet unless you choose to allow them to drain your wallet. The government feeds at will.

Analysts have said this will be the end of the private student loan market, by the way. And the article above says, "The Senate bill also would end private-lender origination of loans, the aide said, leaving the federal government as the sole provider of college loans."
 
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So what does this mean? Interest rates will go up? Tuition will get more expensive? Education will be rationed? fuck
 
You just made the case for ending the Fed and getting government involvement completely out of the business of financing higher education, not getting more involved in it.

Yeah I did, and that is the position I hold.

Within the confines of the system, this is an improvement. Would I like to see educational loans go entirely free market? Of course.
 
So the only instrument in the banking industry the government won't insure are the instruments are in the markets that the government competes in?

Citibank can't drain your wallet unless you choose to allow them to drain your wallet. The government feeds at will.

Analysts have said this will be the end of the private student loan market, by the way.

Students choose whether to enter the federal loan program or not. Before this bill, banks made all the profits from the program. At least with this bill, some of the money will go back into the tax-payers hands, (though probably less than what went in).

Here's my main point: I think we all agree here that giant banks like Citi and BoA are just as much a part of the government as anything else. So I actually see this as government reducing waste in a way by taking some of the profiteers out of the picture. Of course I would like to see government staying out of loans all together, but that doesn't mean that this bill won't save tax payer money.
 
What we need to look at is are there free market approaches that can reduce the cost of a college and/or university education? Take law school for instance. I could save a ton of money if I went to Nashville School of Law or to an online law school. But the ABA has a lock on state bar panels and the deck is stacked against non ABA approved schools. I read a case of a lawyer who graduated from NSL, was able to practice in Tennessee, but wasn't allowed to stand for the bar across the border in Kentucky. The KY bar did "evaluate" NSL to see if it met their standards. The evaluator they sent was a dean from a KY ABA approved law school. Talk about your conflict of interest! :eek:
Yeah that's the prime reason that if I ever go to law school it won't be NSL. ALthough you and I both know someone who makes a TON of money as an atty who graduated from NSL and is now in an influential position politically speaking. ;) However my guess is that this person is the exception rather than the rule.
 
Yeah I did, and that is the position I hold.

Within the confines of the system, this is an improvement. Would I like to see educational loans go entirely free market? Of course.

No, this isn't an improvement. Wait until you see the collection procedures Uncle Sam uses.

Half your salary snagged on payday, and - even better, straight our of Obama's playbook - work for the government for a year and get the debt wiped clean.
 
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