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Germany repatriates more gold: Bundesbank

http://news.yahoo.com/germany-repatriates-more-gold-bundesbank-100251153.html

The German central bank or Bundesbank said Monday that it stepped up the repatriation of its gold reserves from overseas storage last year.

"The Bundesbank successfully continued and further stepped up its transfers of gold," the central bank said in a statement.

"In 2014, 120 tonnes of gold were transferred to Frankfurt from storage locations abroad: 35 tonnes from Paris and 85 tonnes from New York."

Germany's gold reserves are the second-biggest in the world after those of the United States and totalled 3,384.2 tonnes this month, according to the latest data compiled by the World Gold Council.

For decades the Bundesbank's gold holdings have been kept in the treasuries of other central banks -- in Paris, London and New York.

According to the German central bank's own data, 1,447 tonnes are stored at the Federal Reserve Bank in New York, 438 tonnes at the Bank of England in London and 307 tonnes at the Banque de France in Paris.

There were historical reasons for this.

After World War II and the export revival of West Germany's "economic miracle" in the 1950s, the central bank accumulated dollars it swapped for gold at the Federal Reserve. With Germany split between capitalist west and the communist East German state until 1990, storing most of the gold abroad was a way to keep it out of Soviet reach during the Cold War.

But surging mistrust of the euro during Europe's debt crisis fed a campaign to bring home Germany's gold reserve from New York and London, with some political parties fuelling fears the gold might have been tampered with.

Under the Bundesbank's new gold storage plan in 2013, it decided to bring back 674 tonnes from abroad by 2020 and store half of its gold in its own vaults.

"Implementation of our new gold storage plan is proceeding smoothly. Operations are running very much according to schedule," said Bundesbank executive board member Carl-Ludwig Thiele.

"We also called on the expertise of the Bank for International Settlements for the spot checks that had to be carried out. As expected, there were no irregularities," Thiele said.

Since the transfers began in 2013, the Bundesbank said it has relocated a total of 157 tonnes of gold to Frankfurt -- 67 tonnes from Paris and 90 tonnes from New York.
 
"In 2014, 120 tonnes of gold were transferred to Frankfurt from storage locations abroad: 35 tonnes from Paris and 85 tonnes from New York."

No, this can't possibly be true; many times I've read on here that 1) that gold isn't real, 2) we said no, they couldn't have it, or 3) it wasn't actually being transferred.
 
The German Bundesbank's plan back in January 2013 stated they were to repatriate ~700 Tonnes of gold, 373.7T(all 12 million ounces) from France and the balance from the US. Of course the NY FED stated it will take until 2020 for shipment completion and the bazaar statement that the German gold bars will have to first be melted down and reformed for shipment back to Germany. (probably stolen Libyan Gold)


Deutsche Bundesbank - Press Release


Deutsche Bundesbank | Communications Department Presentation | Carl Von-Ludwig Thiele download:
Deutsche Bundesbank’s new storage plan for Germany’s gold reserves
 
No, this can't possibly be true; many times I've read on here that 1) that gold isn't real, 2) we said no, they couldn't have it, or 3) it wasn't actually being transferred.

It's not that the gold isn't real. The problem is that there are likely many more paper claims on existing gold than there is gold to meet the claims. If lots of people start asserting their claims, things get interesting. Much like an old fashioned (pre-central bank) bank run. It pays to be one of the first to get your gold.
 
The German Bundesbank's plan back in January 2013 stated they were to repatriate ~700 Tonnes of gold, 373.7T(all 12 million ounces) from France and the balance from the US. Of course the NY FED stated it will take until 2020 for shipment completion and the bazaar statement that the German gold bars will have to first be melted down and reformed for shipment back to Germany. (probably stolen Libyan Gold)


Deutsche Bundesbank - Press Release


Deutsche Bundesbank | Communications Department Presentation | Carl Von-Ludwig Thiele download:
Deutsche Bundesbank’s new storage plan for Germany’s gold reserves

Link showing the gold was to be remelted and recast before shipment?

The company insuring the gold shipments from the US to Germany has been limiting their coverage on the shipments to one ton per week.
 
Having to remelt one's gold sounds blatantly fraudulent. Maybe they have to separate all the tungsten out of the gold bars
 
Link showing the gold was to be remelted and recast before shipment?

The company insuring the gold shipments from the US to Germany has been limiting their coverage on the shipments to one ton per week.

Sounds legit. Its not like the US government has the means to protect a gold shipment. You know, because of Obama's defense cuts. And because it is busy protecting the free world from evil doers on its shoestring budget. If they put all the gold on a few transport planes and guarded them with several hundred advanced fighters, a horde of ISIS fanatics on flying camels might intercept it and use the gold to fund their plan for world domination! So that gold is just going to have to travel a little bit at a time. On a small boat. For years. It has nothing to do with any problems with the way in which the gold has been stored - in piles with little signs on it. Or any financial shenanigans because, you know, banks are all on the up and up. Hehehe.
 
The company insuring the gold shipments from the US to Germany has been limiting their coverage on the shipments to one ton per week.

Time to either get multiple companies or the ones that insure the the large shipments to ASIA.
 
Its not like the US government has the means to protect a gold shipment.

How, exactly, is the US government involved with or obligated to this gold?


How many of your tax dollars would you like to go to protecting a foreign nation's gold while it's transferring from one private storage facility to another?
 
How, exactly, is the US government involved with or obligated to this gold?


How many of your tax dollars would you like to go to protecting a foreign nation's gold while it's transferring from one private storage facility to another?

The Federal Reserve is a creature of Federal Law. It's powers are granted by Congress. If you think the entire might of the US government is not on call to protect Federal Reserve assets, you are mistaken. In any event, Germany has an air force as well.

As for taxpayer dollars, I can assure you that every transport and fighter plane will be flying around burning fuel whether it is escorting gold or blowing up children. A single transatlantic flight would change nothing.

But actually I don't care if Germany gets its gold or not. I just find the insurance argument incredible. After all, an insurance policy pays in dollars, not gold. So if the gold were lost, Germany would get dollars. Guess who creates dollars out of thin air? Right. So insurance for a Fed shipment of gold is superfluous.
 
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One only knows the "best time to buy" in hindsight. Maybe today is the best current time to buy. Or maybe it is a bad time to buy. Maybe it will go up from here. Or maybe it will go down more.
 
One only knows the "best time to buy" in hindsight. Maybe today is the best current time to buy. Or maybe it is a bad time to buy. Maybe it will go up from here. Or maybe it will go down more.

Up or down against what? Dollar collectors are usually not interested in the archaic barbarism of gold hoarding. Bernanke told Ron that the FED only holds gold in it's vaults because of "tradition".

Must be a helluva strong tradition in Germany.
 
approximately $1200 is the bottom and you might see it dip below that but not for any serious amount of time.
 
Yet it was audited. German officials were satisfied with the results.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-bundesbank-meet-gold-audit-requirements.html

Bundesbank Says NY Fed to Help Meet Gold Audit Request

The Bundesbank said the Federal Reserve Bank of New York will help it meet auditing requirements related to its gold reserves that were demanded by Germany’s Audit Court.

“We have been in discussions with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York about the Bundesbank’s holdings of gold,” the Bundesbank said yesterday in a letter to the German parliament’s budget committee. “The discussions have been fruitful and the Federal Reserve has expressed a commitment to work with the Bundesbank to explore ways to address the audit observations, consistent with its own security and control processes and logistical constraints.”

The agreement is part of a compromise between the German central bank and the Audit Court, which has called on the Bundesbank to take stock of its gold holdings outside Germany, saying it has never verified their existence.

http://www.pfhub.com/german-reserve-horde-will-remain-in-u-s-after-positive-audit-884/

A German delegation was sent to New York to audit the nation’s gold holdings because one hadn’t been performed in a few decades. The group confirmed that everything was fine and that it would be easier to just simply store its gold reserves outside of the country for emergency swaps.

Any luck on that article saying the German gold had to be melted down first? Thanks for looking.

Are they sending Libyan gold? Libya has 144 tonnes of gold. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12824137 Assuming the US "stole" all of it, that is less than half the 300 tonnes Germany requested to be sent from the US.
 
Com'on douche... you can find it, go ahead an search, I'm not doing your work for you. No, the German plan was to repatriate 50 tons per year in the first 3 years, then ramp up to complete the 300 tons. What was the excuse of FED non delivery again?

Once again your selective horseshit posts... that is all.
Yet it was audited. German officials were satisfied with the results.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-bundesbank-meet-gold-audit-requirements.html



http://www.pfhub.com/german-reserve-horde-will-remain-in-u-s-after-positive-audit-884/



Any luck on that article saying the German gold had to be melted down first? Thanks for looking.

Are they sending Libyan gold? Libya has 144 tonnes of gold. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12824137 Assuming the US "stole" all of it, that is less than half the 300 tonnes Germany requested to be sent from the US.
 
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Com'on douche... you can find it, go ahead an search, I'm not doing your work for you. No, the German plan was to repatriate 50 tons per year in the first 3 years, then ramp up to complete the 300 tons. What was the excuse of FED non delivery again?

Once again your selective horseshit posts... that is all.

A one tonne shipment per week comes out to 52 tonnes a year. That is the rate it has been being shipped at and fits what you say.

You are sort of right that some was being recast- after it reached Europe- not before it left the Federal Reserve vaults according to this article.

Some gold bars were melted down in Europe to meet the London Good Delivery standard for bars, said Asche.

Though the scheme was first announced in January 2013, that remelting could have contributed to delays before the first shipments started in the fall of 2013, according to George Milling-Stanley, a consultant to central banks on gold buying.

Germany requested a phased delivery over seven years, with each shipment kept small and with no more than one ton in any single delivery, he told IBTimes. “Insurers will cover only deliveries by air, and will not insure shipments of more than one ton at a time,” he said, citing publicly available sources.

http://www.ibtimes.com/german-gold-makes-it-way-back-home-fed-slowly-1563651

It does not say if the re-cast gold was from France or the US. Not all of the gold is the same standard size and weight- depending on when it was first cast.

Lew Rockwell on it: http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/tyler-durden/germany-pries-more-gold-out-of-the-ny-fed/

The Bundesbank successfully continued and further stepped up its transfers of gold last year. In 2014, 120 tonnes of gold were transferred to Frankfurt am Main from storage locations abroad: 35 tonnes from Paris and 85 tonnes from New York. “Implementation of our new gold storage plan is proceeding smoothly. Operations are running very much according to schedule,” said Carl-Ludwig Thiele, Member of the Executive Board of the Deutsche Bundesbank.

The Bundesbank took advantage of the transfer from New York to have roughly 50 tonnes of gold melted down and recast according to the London Good Delivery standard, today’s internationally recognised standard. “We also called on the expertise of the Bank for International Settlements for the spot checks that had to be carried out. As expected, there were no irregularities,” said Mr Thiele.

According to its new gold storage plan, unveiled in January 2013, the Bundesbank will be storing half of Germany’s gold reserves in its own vaults from 2020 onwards. This necessitates a phased transfer to Frankfurt am Main of 300 tonnes of gold from New York and all 374 tonnes of gold from Paris.

Since the transfers began in 2013, the Bank has relocated a total of 157 tonnes of gold to Frankfurt am Main – 67 tonnes from Paris and 90 tonnes from New York. This is equivalent to roughly 23% of the total quantity to be transferred.

This article does not say where the Bundesbank melted down their gold but the Spanish article says it was in Europe.

It also says:
The Bundesbank assures the identity and authenticity of German gold reserves throughout the transfer process – from when they are removed from warehouses abroad until they are stored in Frankfurt am Main. As soon as the gold was removed from the warehouse locations abroad, Bundesbank employees cross-checked the lists of bars belonging to the Bundesbank against the information on the bars removed. Finally, once they arrived in Frankfurt am Main, all the transferred gold bars were thoroughly and exhaustively inspected and verified by the Bundesbank. When all the inspections had been concluded, no irregularities came to light with regard to the authenticity, fineness and weight of the bars

This seems to suggest that the gold was not recast until it was in Germany. (reports only mention 50 tonnes being recast- not all 90 tonnes which have been shipped so far)

The official explanation was as follows: “The Bundesbank explained [the low amount of US gold] by saying that the transports from Paris are simpler and therefore were able to start quickly.” Additionally, the Bundesbank had the “support” of the BIS “which has organized more gold shifts already for other central banks and has appropriate experience – only after months of preparation and safety could transports start with truck and plane.” That would be the same BIS that in 2011 lent out a record 632 tons of gold…

Welt goes on to “debunk” various “conspiracy websites” that the reason why the gold is being melted is not to cover up some shortage (and to scrap serial numbers), but that the gold is exactly the same gold as before. Finally, to silences all skeptics, the Bundesbank says that “there is no reason for complaint – the weight and purity of the gold bars were consistent with the books match.” In conclusion, Welt reports that in 2014 “larger transport volumes” can be expected from New York: between 30 and 50 tons.
 
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One of the values of Gold... It can be melted down, thus cannot be tracked or traced.

Now rumors are circulating that Libyan gold finding it's way to Germany... Imagine that, so much for the old serialized Deutschland GLD.

April 2013: Federal Reserve Refuses to Submit to an Audit of Germany’s Gold Held in U.S. Vaults

Ukraine's gold will probably end up in Germany too. Throw in some freshly stolen...err mined african gold and voila, Germany is eventually made whole again. A global ball and cups game. Makes me wonder who will be the last country to realize their "cup" is empty....
 
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