GAY MARRIAGE and the RON PAUL supporters ???

[speciallyblend]

I am very curious to see an honest poll on RPF and Ron Paul Supporters on this issue. I think our own RON PAUL Revolution should really see who thinks Liberty is for all and not just one group!

Do you support the rights of Gay Marriage?? here is a poll i made. I hope i covered the basics!

NOTE on last option, the decision to marry is upto the churches. no need for government to force churches to marry gays..
i only put the state in the poll ,since they will have to have sometype of legal marriage by the state for legal reasons!!

EDIT :as of 4/27/09 good news at least, only about 10(option 1) folks seem to be against other peoples freedom, my question to those 9 folks. unless your forced to marry your own sex. why are you concerned what others do in the privacy of their own lives?

how can you be for liberty but against it??

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

I don't see any poll..Ron Paul himself is against gay marriage. Grab a clue. How many times do we have to go into this? tones

 

[Rangeley]

I don't see any poll..Ron Paul himself is against gay marriage. Grab a clue. How many times do we have to go into this? tones

His position is government shouldn't be defining marriage at all. The same rights should be available to anyone, people can consent to give others visitation rights, etc, but marriage itself would be left to people to define. If you didn't want to recognize someone elses "marriage," you wouldn't need to, but the legal contracts would still be there regardless. Someones personal view of what marriage is, in this case, would be irrelevent.

And I agree with that position.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Ron Paul has said there is no reason to re define MARRIAGE..everyone knows what Marriage is about. What do you think he meant? I'm telling you he is NOT supportive of gay marriage. tones

 

[vodalian]

Me personally, I don't care who get's married.. It's none of my business as far as I'm concerned.

 

[speciallyblend]

100% for it, support their right to marry by state or a church

, then i guess me and ron paul differ on an issue. I am telling you to run with this issue with the gop ,be my guest and good luck!!

poll is up now

 

[Rangeley]

Its not just that the government shouldn't be redefining - its that they shouldn't be defining in the first place. Not at the federal level, for constitutional reasons, and not at the state level, for philosophical reasons.

 

[LibertyWorker]

Things I didn’t know about being a libertarian.

They believe in mob rule over other individual’s private lives.

They believe in using the government to push their group’s private belief system on other people.

Glad I'm not a libertarian they sound more like tyrants.

 

[speciallyblend]

I don't see any poll..Ron Paul himself is against gay marriage. Grab a clue. How many times do we have to go into this? tones

my clue for you is push this issue. then you go against the very foundation of what this revolution is about ,LIBERTY , you get a clue really!!

you are entitled to your opinion, when your forced to marry your own sex ,then you might have a decent argument, let me know.

 

[Kludge]

I don't quite understand the poll options. I'd like the government out of marriage entirely, but I support religious leaders' right to marry gays.

The State (individual states, ideally) may handle civil unions, but marriage is a religious tradition and has no place in the secular government of a secular society.

 

[Kludge]

Things I didn’t know about being a libertarian.

They believe in mob rule over other individual’s private lives.

They believe in using the government to push their group’s private belief system on other people.

Glad I'm not a libertarian they sound more like tyrants.

What is that rant based on?

 

[speciallyblend]

I don't quite understand the poll options. I'd like the government out of marriage entirely, but I support religious leaders' right to marry gays.

The State (individual states, ideally) may handle civil unions, but marriage is a religious tradition and has no place in the secular government of a secular society.

i didnt put that option in kludge sorry, but i understand what your saying ,marriage by state is just another tax anyway!

 

[UtahApocalypse]

Your missing the most important: 100% Against it, but support rights to their libert, church and states decide not federal.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Things I didn’t know about being a libertarian.

They believe in mob rule over other individual’s private lives.

They believe in using the government to push their group’s private belief system on other people.

Glad I'm not a libertarian they sound more like tyrants.

You fail to understand the libertarian stance on this issue. It is a matter that should be left to the church because marriage is a religious ceremony by nature. The State should have no say in the matter. (the State shouldn't exist in the first place, but that's for another thread.)

 

[speciallyblend]

Your missing the most important: 100% Against it, but support rights to their libert, church and states decide not federal.

can i re-edit the poll?? i do not see where i can add yours and one for kludge as well! then i think all bases are covered, i am kinda of tired but i think this is an important issue for the gop as well as the ron paul revolution!

 

[LibertyWorker]

What is that rant based on?

this poll was started because of this thread http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=190286 and boiled over to this one.

 

[Kludge]

this poll was started because of this thread [url]http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=190286[/URL] and boiled over to this one.

Ahhh, I see, now.

Hm.

 

[speciallyblend]

You fail to understand the libertarian stance on this issue. It is a matter that should be left to the church because marriage is a religious ceremony by nature. The State should have no say in the matter. (the State shouldn't exist in the first place, but that's for another thread.)

right but this is not what the gop stance is!! they are trying to force states to stop gay marriage aka marriage tax. a better angle would be abolish the marriage tax and leave it a church issue, then the right wing of the gop could shut up on gay marriage!!

unless churches are gonna invade other churches in america and stop gays from marrying in sanctioned churches.

 

[LibertyWorker]

right but this is not what the gop stance is!! they are trying to force states to stop gay marriage aka marriage tax. a better angle would be abolish the marriage tax and leave it a church issue, then the right wing of the gop could shut up on gay marriage!!

unless churches are gonna invade other churches in american and stop gays from marrying in sanctioned churches.

Government should not be aloud to have a opinion on any marriage.

 

[speciallyblend]

Ahhh, I see, now.

Hm.

this is a huge issue. if the gop pushes this issue. then i predict we might be able to take over the gop by 2012 after they lose 2 more elections.

this is a losing issue and a dumb issue to even be pushing as the gop already is!!