Gary Johnson promoting CPAC and RLC

[Matt Collins]

Looks like Gary's organization is trying to turn people out for the straw poll too?


This was just sent out via e-mail:

Dear Friends in Liberty:



I'm going to CPAC this year. Will you join me?



It's the largest annual political conference in the country and hundreds of libety activists will be attending February 10 - 12 in Washington, DC.Our America is making tickets available to RLC members and associates right now at a discounted rate.

Last year, attendees heard from speakers such as Judge Andrew Napolitano, Tom Woods and Gary Johnson. And of course, this year is expected to be even bigger as activists take part in an important 2012 Presidential straw poll. All stripes of conservatives will be at CPAC and it is important that liberty lovers have a strong presence.

Come to CPAC and make a statement about America's future. Bring your friends, classmates and fellow activists to this exciting event.

Recruit from liberty groups, friends, and campus organizations. Ask them to buy their ticket online


The liberty movement is sure to have a strong presence and this conference is crucial to shaping the conservative movement. Our America Initiative will also host a very special event that will be announced soon.

CPAC 2011 is February 10 - 12 at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel in Washington, DC. One student ticket costs only $11.


These discounted ticket prices are only available through Our America Initiative.



Having a strong pro-liberty presence at CPAC is vitally important for our goal of returning our nation to the principles of individual liberty and limited government.
See you at the RLC booth at CPAC!


Dave Nalle
National Chairman, Republican Liberty Caucus
Manor, Texas
P.S.: Don't forget to also plan to attend the RLC National Convention right after CPAC!

 

[muzzled dogg]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#!/event.php?eid=163666773672326

 

[Sola_Fide]

As a person who is not a Gary Johnson fan, I don't really know what to think of this yet.

 

[Tinnuhana]

So how are his discounts compared to C4L's? Hey, if they're better, get your tickets from Gary. Ron can think him later after the straw poll.

 

[speciallyblend]

I will glady join you to vote for RON PAUL!!! Gary johnson would be my second vote after that there really is no one i could support in 2012 within the gop!! Ron Paul 2012

 

[Thomas]

Gary will get my second vote...

 

[sailingaway]

Looks like Gary's organization is trying to turn people out for the straw poll too?


This was just sent out via e-mail:

The Republican LIBERTY CAUCUS doesn't mention Ron Paul but mentions Johnson and Woods, when they were only there as part of Ron's Campaign for Liberty event?

WTF?

Didn't Ron START the Republican Liberty Caucus?

I've chipped in to some, but can't attend. If I WERE attending I wouldn't vote for GJ though. He is starting to remind me of Bob Barr in all the bad ways...

 

[Matt Collins]

The Republican LIBERTY CAUCUS doesn't mention Ron Paul but mentions Johnson and Woods, when they were only there as part of Ron's Campaign for Liberty event?

WTF?

Didn't Ron START the Republican Liberty Caucus?

It's the impression that I get that the two individuals running the RLC on the national level, Aaron Biterman, and Dave Nalle, are actually anti-Ron Paul. I could be wrong, but based upon recent Facebook posts that is the conclusion I am led to. They are DEFINATELY working to help Gary Johnson, and I don't have any problem with that at all. However I think the manner in which they are doing it could potentially be detrimental to Ron. This remains to be seen.

 

[sailingaway]

It's the impression that I get that the two individuals running the RLC on the national level, Aaron Biterman, and Dave Nalle, are actually anti-Ron Paul. I could be wrong, but based upon recent Facebook posts that is the conclusion I am led to. They are DEFINATELY working to help Gary Johnson, and I don't have any problem with that at all. However I think the manner in which they are doing it could potentially be detrimental to Ron. This remains to be seen.

I definitely have always thought David Nalle was against Ron, it is insidious the way he does it, similar to but less honest in taking Ron on than Eric Dodo. But this is slimy mentioning Judge Napolitano and Woods as if they were Gary Johnson guys, for example, and not mentioning that when they were at CPAC it was as a part of Ron's generous nature in trying to spread the liberty message, as was his having GJ at the Rally for the Republic.

 

[Dave Nalle]

Ron Paul vs. Gary Johnson - seriously?

Guys, I worked on Ron Paul's 1988 campaign. I have donated money to his congressional campaigns. I have voted for him for president every time he ran. I'd gladly send out an email for him either personally (as I did for Johnson) or on behalf of the RLC.

However, no one from Ron Paul's organization has ever contacted me about promoting his appearance at CPAC and Gary Johnson's people did contact me. Gary Johnson has done about 40 events for the RLC for free in the last year plus he's speaking at our convention and Ron Paul provides us very little access and hasn't appeared at one of our events - even in Texas - in years.

Yes, I do, personally, find Johnson's positions to be slightly more authentically libertarian (in most areas) than Paul's, but that's quibbling. Both are excellent. Either would receive 100% of my support if they were to run for president.

Plus, the email in question does very little to directly promote Gov. Johnson. It's offering discounted admission and hotel rooms for the convention. You can get the discounts regardless of who you vote for. Why is that a problem? Take the discount, vote for Ron Paul and no one will know the difference.

And Matt, you ought to know better.
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Dave

 

[muzzled dogg]

yeah matt u ought to know better

 

[low preference guy]

Reminder: Gary Johnson is for waging war for "humanitarian reasons". Isn't he also in favor of smoking regulations?

 

[Elwar]

Johnson has been focussing on RLC for some time. Ron Paul left the organization long ago (with folks like Dondro in it, it's easy to see why).

Johnson's folks also contacted me and I sent out over 400 e-mails (the same one in the OP) to people who have signed up at garyjohnson2012.com.

Considering this is the first time I've seen anything from Ron Paul folks about Johnson's CPAC efforts, it appears that there isn't a whole lot of overlap. So it's not like Johnson is focussing on Ron Paul supporters.

I hope Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are the top two winners at CPAC. But realistically Johnson will probably be toward the bottom.

 

[Matt Collins]

Guys, I worked on Ron Paul's 1988 campaign. I have donated money to his congressional campaigns. I have voted for him for president every time he ran. I'd gladly send out an email for him either personally (as I did for Johnson) or on behalf of the RLC.

However, no one from Ron Paul's organization has ever contacted me about promoting his appearance at CPAC and Gary Johnson's people did contact me. Gary Johnson has done about 40 events for the RLC for free in the last year plus he's speaking at our convention and Ron Paul provides us very little access and hasn't appeared at one of our events - even in Texas - in years.

Dave,

Thanks for coming over here and sharing your side of the story; it's very insightful.


We'd love to have ya here more often if you have the time.

 

[sailingaway]

Guys, I worked on Ron Paul's 1988 campaign. I have donated money to his congressional campaigns. I have voted for him for president every time he ran. I'd gladly send out an email for him either personally (as I did for Johnson) or on behalf of the RLC.

However, no one from Ron Paul's organization has ever contacted me about promoting his appearance at CPAC and Gary Johnson's people did contact me. Gary Johnson has done about 40 events for the RLC for free in the last year plus he's speaking at our convention and Ron Paul provides us very little access and hasn't appeared at one of our events - even in Texas - in years.

Yes, I do, personally, find Johnson's positions to be slightly more authentically libertarian (in most areas) than Paul's, but that's quibbling. Both are excellent. Either would receive 100% of my support if they were to run for president.

Plus, the email in question does very little to directly promote Gov. Johnson. It's offering discounted admission and hotel rooms for the convention. You can get the discounts regardless of who you vote for. Why is that a problem? Take the discount, vote for Ron Paul and no one will know the difference.

And Matt, you ought to know better.
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Dave

Thanks for coming on here. I've read your stuff from time to time and there does seem to be an edge against Ron, to me. Why did you mention Johnson, Napolitano and Woods being at the last CPAC without mentioning Ron when the only reason they were there was in a subforum by Ron's Campaign for Liberty? It is that kind of thing that makes me think you are actually 'anti-Ron'.

That bit about Ron not appearing at your events I don't know about, but maybe you seem to others besides me (and Matt) to be anti-Ron.

Since you came on here, though, I'm willing to listen with an open mind.

 

[Dave Nalle]

The RLC supports any candidate who has the right pro-liberty values

Thanks for coming on here.

Glad to visit. I've had an account for a while, but I don't generally have the patience for the forum format so I don't visit that often.

I've read your stuff from time to time and there does seem to be an edge against Ron, to me.

I'll admit to occasionally being ticked off when Ron panders to the fringe and takes a states rights position on issues where I'd like him to take a clear stand. But I'm more critical of him because I hold him to a higher standard - and with good reason.

Why did you mention Johnson, Napolitano and Woods being at the last CPAC without mentioning Ron when the only reason they were there was in a subforum by Ron's Campaign for Liberty? It is that kind of thing that makes me think you are actually 'anti-Ron'.

I wasn't even aware of this. The original text of the email was sent to me by the Johnson campaign and though I changed some parts of it, that part was straight from them. I've never been to CPAC before and had no idea that was the situation under which Napolitano and Woods attended. BTW, both of them have been speakers at RLC events in the past year. As I understand it, C4L has cut back their CPAC participation this year. I hope that doesn't mean the schedule will be less liberty-oriented.

That bit about Ron not appearing at your events I don't know about, but maybe you seem to others besides me (and Matt) to be anti-Ron.

I hate to say it, but I think the split with Ron may at least partially be Eric Dondero's fault. It happened sometime before my time at the RLC. I only joined the RLC 6 years ago after being a long time member of the LP. It does seem like his parting from the RLC coincided both with the period where Dondero ran against him for Congress and when the RLC both in Texas and nationwide was having a lot of problems. All of that was before my time, and Dondero no longer plays any role in the operation of the RLC by mutual agreement and hasn't for years.

The RLC as it is now is very pro-Paul. That doesn't mean we don't also like Gary Johnson, but at this stage in the campaign I think it's very healthy to have both of them as potential candidates because the more people there are in the running who are promoting a libertarian message the more exposure the message will have and the more seriously it will be taken. The kinds of attacks which were leveled at Paul during the 2008 campaign would have been defused somewhat if he had not been the lone libertarian-leaning candidate in the field.

We invited Ron and Rand Paul to be featured speakers at our national convention which is right after CPAC. We're still holding out for Rand, but had no luck getting Ron to commit. With all the liberty Republicans we endorsed this year we've got a great field of other elected folks to draw on, so we're in good shape no matter what. We did a lot of promotion and fundraising for the Rand Paul campaign during the recent election so maybe he'll put in a good word for us and we can start to reestablish a closer relationship with Ron Paul as well.

Since you came on here, though, I'm willing to listen with an open mind.

Thanks. I appreciate it.

Dave

 

[sailingaway]

Since you came on here, though, I'm willing to listen with an open mind.

Thanks. I appreciate it.

Dave

And I did, and: Truce.

I agree the split seems to be from Dondero. I hope it all patches up; it seems like we should be all on the same side, from what you say.

I don't know if Ron would want to be a featured speaker if Gary is the keynote speaker, in case he actually is planning to run for President.....but Rand might speak, if they know you haven't cast your dice against the Paul family. I think a number of people think your organization has. New beginning, as far as I'm concerned.

However, we will have to agree to disagree on who has the edge for quality between Ron and Gary. I back Ron all the way in that contest.

 

[Dave Nalle]

All in for liberty

it seems like we should be all on the same side, from what you say.

Absolutely.

I don't know if Ron would want to be a featured speaker if Gary is the keynote speaker, in case he actually is planning to run for President.....but Rand might speak, if they know you haven't cast your dice against the Paul family. I think a number of people think your organization has. New beginning, as far as I'm concerned.

Rand's people certainly know. I appeared on several money bomb telethons and did mailings like the one I did for Gary Johnson to RLC members during Rand's campaign to help promote their money bombs. And other RLC folks have been out there stumping for him as well. It also looks like we're going to have some significant chapter growth in Kentucky in the aftermath of his campaign.

However, we will have to agree to disagree on who has the edge for quality between Ron and Gary. I back Ron all the way in that contest.

It's kind of like choosing between red and white wine.

Dave

 

[sailingaway]

I honestly don't see it that way, myself, but I'm biased perhaps.

On speaking at this event, I've gone to the C4L schedule for that time and given that Congress is also in session, that is going to be a hugely busy time for Ron and Rand. Your event actually competes with what they are already doing. I'd like to see them at future events of yours, though, if you really are not pushing GJ over Ron. I don't think it would be logical to expect him to be bringing people for the primary purpose of seeing a competitor in a campaign (unlike his doing exactly that for Gary when he wasn't actually running against him for anything.)

 

[klamath]

Guys, I worked on Ron Paul's 1988 campaign. I have donated money to his congressional campaigns. I have voted for him for president every time he ran. I'd gladly send out an email for him either personally (as I did for Johnson) or on behalf of the RLC.

However, no one from Ron Paul's organization has ever contacted me about promoting his appearance at CPAC and Gary Johnson's people did contact me. Gary Johnson has done about 40 events for the RLC for free in the last year plus he's speaking at our convention and Ron Paul provides us very little access and hasn't appeared at one of our events - even in Texas - in years.

Yes, I do, personally, find Johnson's positions to be slightly more authentically libertarian (in most areas) than Paul's, but that's quibbling. Both are excellent. Either would receive 100% of my support if they were to run for president.
Plus, the email in question does very little to directly promote Gov. Johnson. It's offering discounted admission and hotel rooms for the convention. You can get the discounts regardless of who you vote for. Why is that a problem? Take the discount, vote for Ron Paul and no one will know the difference.

And Matt, you ought to know better.
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Dave

What I thought.