G. Edward Griffin's documentary "What In The World Are They Spraying"

[Free Moral Agent]

So last week I had the opportunity to speak with and watch G. Edward Griffin's documentary "What In The World Are They Spraying"

YouTube - "What in the World are They Spraying?" - Official Trailer

I will admit that the phenomenon called chemtrails were an anomaly that I had never taken seriously or gave serious thought to despite clearly seeing such trails in the sky. When I heard that he would be tackling this topic, my interest instantly piqued, as I know he is not the type of person to take a stance on an issue without much consideration.

If you've never looked into it, I urge you to do so as it is something that is very real. In the documentary, soil samples were taken in areas where soil is otherwise supposed to have a pH of 5-5.5 acidic, however what they found was that the soil was unnaturally base.

In turn, this causes native vegetation to become weaker and water sources to become compromised. We can hypothesize the agenda behind the spraying; namely the complete dependency on GMO seeds and government regulated food sources... There already exists a patent for GMO seeds that are resistant to aluminum (which is what makes up the bulk of the chemical composition of the aerosols being sprayed). I haven't even gotten into the health problems...

If you still have doubts about the existence of chemtrails, look into geoengineering, an industry solely based of this concept.

 

[muzzled dogg]

gotta get around to seeing this

 

[Brian4Liberty]

And what is G. Edward Griffin's conclusion? With this and his vitamin B-17 stuff, he is losing credibility.

 

[dannno]

And what is G. Edward Griffin's conclusion? With this and his vitamin B-17 stuff, he is losing credibility.

LoL, his vitamin B-17 stuff is from the 70s.. And what exactly makes you think he is wrong about B-17?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

LoL, his vitamin B-17 stuff is from the 70s.. And what exactly makes you think he is wrong about B-17?

Good nutrition is very important. We should all eat complete and natural diets, including foods with all of the essential elements and vitamins.

My problem with laetrile ("B17") is all of the conspiracy talk that surrounded it. Why bring it up now? Because there was a thread on it here last month about Griffin's book on the subject:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=264530

If there is a truly effective and natural "drug" that works, word will spread, and it will become available. Aspirin and Vitamin C are good examples. They are not cure-alls, but they do have health benefits. They are plentiful, cheap, and come from a variety of manufacturers. Not the case with laetrile. All we have there is snake-oil and conspiracy talk.

 

[dannno]

Good nutrition is very important. We should all eat complete and natural diets, including foods with all of the essential elements and vitamins.

My problem with laetrile ("B17") is all of the conspiracy talk that surrounded it. Why bring it up now? Because there was a thread on it here last month about Griffin's book on the subject:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=264530

If there is a truly effective and natural "drug" that works, word will spread, and it will become available. Aspirin and Vitamin C are good examples. They are not cure-alls, but they do have health benefits. They are plentiful, cheap, and come from a variety of manufacturers. Not the case with laetrile. All we have there is snake-oil and conspiracy talk.

The government made laetrile illegal, they even made raw apricot seeds illegal for a while, they funded bullshit research to make laetrile look bad, they tell people it is a poison when thousands or more take it regularly... how is word supposed to spread when there is so much disinformation out there about it?

 

[dannno]

I'm sorry, but western medicine IS a conspiracy of well funded scientists, scientists funded by big pharma who use government coercion to take away natural and effective health remedies and put in their place expensive treatments that can be patented which generally only treat the symptoms rather than the problem.

If you can't see that, then you haven't looked into the health industry hard enough.

There ARE plenty of people, both on the left and the right, who have been able to see through the BS.. but you're not going to get these findings from mainstream medical literature, you actually have to go out and look for yourself.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The government made laetrile illegal, they even made raw apricot seeds illegal for a while, they funded bullshit research to make laetrile look bad, they tell people it is a poison when thousands or more take it regularly... how is word supposed to spread when there is so much disinformation out there about it?

Well, you can drink colloidal silver until you are blue in the face and it won't kill you. It won't help you a lot either. B17 is worse, as if you take too much, it will kill you. If it were miraculously saving lives and truly stopping cancer, it would spread. No one could stop it.

 

[dannno]

Well, you can drink colloidal silver until you are blue in the face and it won't kill you. It won't help you a lot either.

OMG, why can't you research ANYTHING related to health all the way through??

There are literally tens of thousands of people or more taking colloidal silver every day, just look at all the products out there that are selling.

If you did some actual research you would know that people who turn gray made the silver themselves and did it in concentrations thousands of times higher than the effective dose. However most of the photos on the internet of people who turned gray are obviously photochopped..

B17 is worse, as if you take too much, it will kill you.

I haven't heard any cases of anybody dying, have you? But one thing I will say is that NOBODY has died from taking the recommended dose of 7-10 apricot seeds daily.

If it were miraculously saving lives and truly stopping cancer, it would spread. No one could stop it.

Are you serious? I could take apricot seeds for 80 years, never get cancer, how would I know if that was due to me taking apricot seeds for 80 years or whether it was due to the fact that I wasn't ever going to get cancer in the first place?? So how do you prove this remedy? The fact is there have been cases of people surviving cancer by using this treatment, although it is supposed to be used primarily as a preventative, and there have been cases of people surviving cancer by using other alternative treatments as well. Why don't these spread like wildfire?? Maybe because when people go to the doctor and find out they have cancer, the doctor tells them what their treatment options are and don't get any of the alternatives. Maybe that is because if the doctor DID recommend the alternate treatments they would have their MD license suspended.

There is sooooo much government intervention in the medical industry, I don't know why you think that free market forces are just going to overcome all of this just like that *snap*

 

[Dr.3D]

Does anybody actually believe the cancer researchers really want to find something that cures or prevents cancer? If they did, they would be out of a job.

 

[dannno]

Does anybody actually believe the cancer researchers really want to find something that cures or prevents cancer? If they did, they would be out of a job.

It depends on why they became a scientist. Some people do it for the money, some people do it because they actually want to help people. The ones who want to help people don't end up doing important research, they are filtered out of the systems of control early on. They let them actually help individuals, on an individual basis, or do PR or something.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Does anybody actually believe the cancer researchers really want to find something that cures or prevents cancer? If they did, they would be out of a job.

There would be a lot of money to be made in curing cancer. Dead people don't generate you any revnue. Given the complexities and different types of cancer there likely isn't one "magic bullet" you can take and cure all of them.

 

[Dr.3D]

There would be a lot of money to be made in curing cancer. Dead people don't generate you any revnue. Given the complexities and different types of cancer there likely isn't one "magic bullet" you can take and cure all of them.

That would be the domain of the drug companies.

The American Cancer Society, American Association for Cancer Research etc. would lose all of their funding if some drug company as able to produce a drug that cured cancer.

 

[dannno]

There would be a lot of money to be made in curing cancer. Dead people don't generate you any revnue. Given the complexities and different types of cancer there likely isn't one "magic bullet" you can take and cure all of them.

If laetrile was 'proven' by the establishment to kill cancer, who would make money off of it when you can buy the same ingredient very cheaply in apricot pits?

 

[Zippyjuan]

If it worked, they would be working on a synthetic version they could patent and make huge profits off of.

 

[Free Moral Agent]

ahem* so what about those chemtrails...

 

[dannno]

If it worked, they would be working on a synthetic version they could patent and make huge profits off of.

Laetrile IS the 'synthetic' version that could be patented..


Try again:

If laetrile was 'proven' by the establishment to kill cancer, who would make money off of it when you can buy the same ingredient very cheaply in apricot pits?

It's the same reason they want to keep cannabis illegal. It is an incredible medicine, but it can't be patented. They can make all the synthetic versions of THC or cannabis that they want, but how are they going to make money on it when you or a neighbor can grow it in your back yard very cheaply? You can make cookies or butter or anything and it would have the same or better effect as buying it in pill form.

If they found that cannabis higher in certain cannabinoids and low in THC provides great relief for people who are nauseated from cancer or AIDS, and they find that cannabis high in THC and high in certain other cannabinoids is great for pain, and higher in other cannabinoids is great for stress or depression, then you can already breed different varieties that have these characteristics.

How much does viagra cost? Isn't it like $5 or more a pill?? What if you could grow viagra in your backyard and it would only cost $.50? Viagra would be out of business, or the government would have to make natural viagra illegal.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

ahem* so what about those chemtrails...

Lol.

What was G. Edward Griffin's conclusion again on chemtrails?

 

[dannno]

ahem* so what about those chemtrails...

Ya I see crazy contrails a LOT, often followed by odd weather patterns and strange 'coincidences'.. Makes me think that there was something more to them than just water vapor.

I still have to see the film in the OP, but we already know that the US, England and Germany have all been caught doing chemtrailing operations, so to deny that it is happening now is ridiculous. That's not proof that it is happening, but I think it is about 99%+ chance they are involved in some operations within the last year or two. That is how bad our govt. has gotten.

I think greater effort should be put forth to find out... but it's sorta like 9/11, it makes us look crazy, but if people look at the evidence of past involvement and possible current involvement then it is also a great tool to help wake people up. Ultimately, if we had an honest monetary system and a free market, I don't think there would be enough benefit to chemtrailing for an individual enterprise to carry it out... Right now they are doing it because the banks and the government steals trillions from us every year, they can do whatever the fuck they want.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Laetrile IS the 'synthetic' version that could be patented..


Try again:



It's the same reason they want to keep cannabis illegal. It is an incredible medicine, but it can't be patented. They can make all the synthetic versions of THC or cannabis that they want, but how are they going to make money on it when you or a neighbor can grow it in your back yard very cheaply? You can make cookies or butter or anything and it would have the same or better effect as buying it in pill form.

If they found that cannabis higher in certain cannabinoids and low in THC provides great relief for people who are nauseated from cancer or AIDS, and they find that cannabis high in THC and high in certain other cannabinoids is great for pain, and higher in other cannabinoids is great for stress or depression, then you can already breed different varieties that have these characteristics.

How much does viagra cost? Isn't it like $5 or more a pill?? What if you could grow viagra in your backyard and it would only cost $.50? Viagra would be out of business, or the government would have to make natural viagra illegal.

You can get vitamins at very low cost today simply from foods yet the vitamin market is worth millions if not billions (one source says $25 billion in the US alone) so I am questioning your assumption on this matter. Max Tishler received a patent on Vitamin B2 http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynam...hall_of_fame/1_1_6_detail.asp?vInventorID=145

In all Tishler received more than 100 patents relating to medicinal chemicals, vitamins, and hormones during his 33 years in industrial research. He retired from Merck in 1969 to become professor of chemistry and, subsequently, professor of the sciences, emeritus at Wesleyan University