France may make wolf-whistling and asking women for their phone number a CRIMINAL offence

[Anti Federalist]

France may make wolf-whistling and asking women for their phone number a CRIMINAL offence

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4506566/france-wolf-whistling-chatting-up-telephone-number-sexism/

Surveys show virtually all French women have been harassed on public transport, in the street or elsewhere at some time

By Patrick Knox

20th September 2017, 11:55 amUpdated: 20th September 2017, 2:47 pm

WOLF-WHISTLING is set to be banned in France as the government declares war on men hassling women in public.

Under new plans bugging women for their telephone numbers and following them could also be prohibited.

The red card could be shown to French lads who wolf-whistle.

The crackdown comes after surveys show virtually all French women have been harassed on public transport, in the street or elsewhere at some time.

France’s new leader, President Emmanuel Macron, has pledged to end this during his election campaign this year.

Only a few countries, including Belgium and Portugal, have banned such behaviour.

The UK and others have broader laws against harassment in general but none so specific.

Some lawyers believe men should only be prosecuted when police officers witness an offence.

Others say women should be able to file criminal lawsuits against offenders at a later date.

President Emmanuel Macron wants to end France's legendary sexist behaviour.

But Marlène Schiappa, the under-secretary for gender equality, defended the plan and gave an example of behaviour that would be illegal.

She said: "You are a woman in an underground train. I am a man. I follow you.

"You get off the train. I get off.

“You get on another train. I get on too. I ask you for your telephone number. I ask again. I ask a third time.

“You feel oppressed. That is street harassment."

Gilles-William Goldnadel, a lawyer, accused Ms Schiappa of seeking to outlaw "heavy Latin chat-up lines".

He said the only consequences of the law would be to enrich feminist lawyers and to clog up the court system.

 

[dannno]

President Emmanuel Macron wants to end France's legendary sexist behaviour

Lol, ya, that's the problem.

 

[Raginfridus]

Define harassment.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Every graveyard in France will vibrate from the men spinning in their graves.

 

[William Tell]

Finally neutering the frogs, eh?

 

[RonZeplin]

Apparently same-sex wolf-whistling is still OK in France?

 

[William Tell]

Apparently same-sex wolf-whistling is still OK in France?

Probably depends on the context. If it is perceived to be mocking it would probably be a severe hate crime.

 

[Raginfridus]

Gentlemen, look on the bright side: laws like these could mean the end of the music.

(OK, no they don't. The Music Industry will continue, but honestly: how many fun songs can you name whose lyrics wouldn't qualify as harassment? Concerts will need to be segregated.)

 

[euphemia]

I really get it about the censorship and hate crime and blah, blah, blah. I get it.

But I really hope you all don't do that. Men have no idea how their size and physical presence can overwhelm even the most assertive woman. I have no problem ignoring the whistle or whatever, but I would have a big problem with a strange man chasing me from train to train to ask for my phone number. If a woman wants to meet him, she would have responded after the whistle.

A 1-in-a-million chance doesn't mean you have a chance and probably shouldn't risk it. A whistle might be a compliment. Anything more is aggressive.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I really get it about the censorship and hate crime and blah, blah, blah. I get it.

But I really hope you all don't do that. Men have no idea how their size and physical presence can overwhelm even the most assertive woman. I have no problem ignoring the whistle or whatever, but I would have a big problem with a strange man chasing me from train to train to ask for my phone number. If a woman wants to meet him, she would have responded after the whistle.

A 1-in-a-million chance doesn't mean you have a chance and probably shouldn't risk it. A whistle might be a compliment. Anything more is aggressive.

Bad manners are bad but they shouldn't be illegal.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I really get it about the censorship and hate crime and blah, blah, blah. I get it.

But I really hope you all don't do that. Men have no idea how their size and physical presence can overwhelm even the most assertive woman. I have no problem ignoring the whistle or whatever, but I would have a big problem with a strange man chasing me from train to train to ask for my phone number. If a woman wants to meet him, she would have responded after the whistle.

A 1-in-a-million chance doesn't mean you have a chance and probably shouldn't risk it. A whistle might be a compliment. Anything more is aggressive.

Emasculated "western" men are, in my view, highly unlikely to be the ones doing the "harassing", least of the type as described in this article.

I'd be willing to wager most of it is "cultural enrichment" coming from millions of new French citizens that have recently arrived, which should therefore be embraced, and it's probably racist in some way to outlaw it.

That said, perhaps this would be a good thing.

Dealing with most modern women these days is like dealing with cops.

Best to be avoided at all costs, in other words.

 

[phill4paul]

Men have no idea how their size and physical presence can overwhelm even the most assertive woman.

Shoulda met my petite lil ole maw-maw.

 

[euphemia]

Shoulda met my petite lil ole maw-maw.

I know, but I hope you hear what I'm saying. In my home a strange man might find himself staring down the business end of something he didn't plan on, but it's a different story in a strange train station with a man I have never met before.

 

[phill4paul]

I know, but I hope you hear what I'm saying. In my home a strange man might find himself staring down the business end of something he didn't plan on, but it's a different story in a strange train station with a man I have never met before.

I do hear what you are saying. My maw-maw was a .38 pistol packin' firehouse. I'm sure that's not allowed in France. My mom related a story in which a neighbor down the road came crying to maw-maw about how her husband had started to drinking and had eventually became physically abusive. Maw-maw told her the next time it happened to wait until he passed out, then take a 12" cast iron skillit and beat the tar out of him. Then she said to tell him "If you ever hit me again the next time you pass out I will kill you, dead." He did. She did. And for what it's worth their marriage lasted.

 

[TheTexan]

Finally neutering the frogs, eh?

It's France. The frogs were gay looooooong time ago.

 

[euphemia]

I do hear what you are saying. My maw-maw was a .38 pistol packin' firehouse.

Sounds like a woman worth knowing. I'm glad you had her in your life.

 

[Danke]

I really get it about the censorship and hate crime and blah, blah, blah. I get it.

But I really hope you all don't do that. Men have no idea how their size and physical presence can overwhelm even the most assertive woman. I have no problem ignoring the whistle or whatever, but I would have a big problem with a strange man chasing me from train to train to ask for my phone number. If a woman wants to meet him, she would have responded after the whistle.

A 1-in-a-million chance doesn't mean you have a chance and probably shouldn't risk it. A whistle might be a compliment. Anything more is aggressive.

Women should not leave the home without a male escort, preferably a relative.

 

[Raginfridus]

But I really hope you all don't do that.

It depends, like it would for most men. Central authorities have no business mandating Puritanical laws for what passes as petty behavior. If this is what Parisians want, let them have it. I guarantee the rural districts don't care what ile-de-Frenchy says; they've been governing themselves for millennia. What gives with this illiberalism, and from allegedly liberal governments? I thought Murka was Christian Nation. If French social justice warriors ask for Plymouth Plantation mandates, they need to quit masquerading as Liberals and just come out as Roundheads. It seems socialism never falls far from the tree.

Men have no idea how their size and physical presence can overwhelm even the most assertive woman. I have no problem ignoring the whistle or whatever, but I would have a big problem with a strange man chasing me from train to train to ask for my phone number. If a woman wants to meet him, she would have responded after the whistle.

Its a fact societies have changed for the worse in ways. Honestly, part of that has been making women legally men. Let's face it, the standard was within communities, people actually knew one another, and brothers and fathers would kick the snot out of men for actually harassing their women. Women wanted to be level in a man's world, so this is what they've got - its on them to man-up, get a man, or meet boys online. Funny how with respect to individuality, liberty, and security, Feminism has backfired on women and made a culture of nuns out of them as of late.

I also guarantee the gendarme won't care, nor pursue the woman's stalker, just because a law says its illegal now. C'mon now, cops hate these kinds of codes, just like they hate domestic calls. Unless there's some monetized, personal, or other incentive, the gendarme won't pursue something this petty. Especially not for tourists, or when it might mean going into parts of the city they'd rather not.

A 1-in-a-million chance doesn't mean you have a chance and probably shouldn't risk it. A whistle might be a compliment.

Never tell me the odds.

Anything more is aggressive.

I'm sure France have had laws against aggression for a really long time. How's that worked out for them?

 

[euphemia]

I get what you're saying, but I am trying to give you the other side of the coin. There is a predatory aspect to a man's sexuality. It can be a good thing if he is marriage ready by the time he is an adult, but to a man who has not learned how to handle the responsibilities of a man, it is a deadly thing.

I do not mean to be hurtful to any of you, please understand that. I am just observing trends, and I think the lack of real fathering has led to a society that sees the need for regulation of behavior that should have been handled in the family.

 

[euphemia]

Women should not leave the home without a male escort, preferably a relative.

That's what happens in Muslim countries where women have to be covered head to toe.