Focusing on Blue Republicans is a Waste of Time

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Focusing on trollish naysayers is a waste of time. Even if they're campaign functionaries. Just pwn them and move on with your good work.
 
I hate to pan your video because I know you put some time into organizing your thoughts and creating the vid, but we need everyone we can get.

It's tempting to put people - voters - into groups and treat them as collectives, but isn't it wiser to treat people as individuals? I mean, isn't that what this whole campaign is about? I'd rahter have a million tentacles reaching out to as many different people, than waste our time trying to centrally plan a win.

If you don't like a particular tactic, don't employ it. Focus your energy where you think it is best served. And even if someone else's tactics may be of little value in your estimation, they still provide a value. Each of us need to do what we feel comfortable doing and what excites us.

I just don't want anyone throwing cold water on someone else's efforts.
 
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So basically your opinion is do not expand the base. Focus on likely GOP voters only... even if many establishment GOPers hate RP and will never vote for RP in a caucus or primary (but they will vote for RP in the general election)... continue to beat that dead horse. It does not matter if non republicans can be convinced to become Ron Paul republicans. Focus only on the establishment GOP. Do not expand the base.

Got it... good luck with that.
 
CaptUSA said:
I hate to pan your video because I know you put some time into organizing your thoughts and creating the vid, but we need everyone we can get.

It's tempting to put people - voters - into groups and treat them as collectives, but isn't it wiser to treat people as individuals? I mean, isn't that what this whole campaign is about? I'd rahter have a million tentacles reaching out to as many different people, than waste our time trying to centrally plan a win.

If you don't like a particular tactic, don't employ it. Focus your energy where you think it is best served. And even if someone else's tactics may be of little value in your estimation, they still provide a value. Each of us need to do what we feel comfortable doing and what excites us.

I just don't want anyone throwing cold water on someone else's efforts.
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I would say demonizing our fastest-growing demographic is a waste of time. But it's something far, far worse than that. It's the best way we've got to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
I convinced two libs to switch to R and goto the caucus for Ron Paul back in 2008. Even an ex girlfriend who hated me. BLUE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT A WASTE OF TIME. They are a good use of time, because dems and independents are who we need to win!
 
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I convinced two libs to switch to R and goto the caucus for Ron Paul back in 2008. Even an ex girlfriend who hated me. BLUE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT A WASTE OF TIME. They are a good use of time, because dems and independents are who we need to win!
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Good job.

This isn't about the false paradigm of left v. right. Not any more. This is the corporatists versus We, the People. And I do mean all of We.

Deomonize class warfare all you want. We, the People did NOT fire the first shot. Or the second. Or the third...

We need to start fighting back about a decade ago. Or sooner.
 
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There are certainly exceptions, but generally it is a more efficient use of time to convince likely GOP voters to support Ron, rather than convincing Dems to switch parties and vote for Ron. Use your judgement.
 
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There are certainly exceptions, but generally it is a more efficient use of time to convince likely GOP voters to support Ron, rather than convincing Dems to switch parties and vote for Ron. Use your judgement.
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In my judgement, I'm anti-authoritarian enough to piss a good many Repubilcans off, and I'm winning over 'Blue R' converts. Ain't liberty grand? With liberty, I don't have to be 'one size fits all' to have a positive impact.

Pincers movement for the win! Herd 'em in from the right, herd 'em in from the left, reunite We the People against the corporatists, and renew this nation.
 
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This is a good debate to have now.

Thanks for all of the responses.
My main reason for making this video is because I'm hearing a lot of buzz from our activists about this Blue Republican thing. Sure, some of you can provide anecdotal stories about a person you converted, but, I stress, this will not win Ron Paul a Republican primary victory or a straw poll. The numbers are stacked against you.

In response to:

"It's tempting to put people - voters - into groups and treat them as collectives, but isn't it wiser to treat people as individuals? I mean, isn't that what this whole campaign is about? I'd rahter have a million tentacles reaching out to as many different people, than waste our time trying to centrally plan a win.

If you don't like a particular tactic, don't employ it. Focus your energy where you think it is best served. And even if someone else's tactics may be of little value in your estimation, they still provide a value. Each of us need to do what we feel comfortable doing and what excites us."

Again, my concern is that you folks who are promoting this stategy of reaching progressives are leading our new activists/members down a non-effective path. You guys are also acting as a collective and trying to persuade people to do things. I'm simply presenting some facts about how this tactic is dead wrong.
*Take that with a grain of salt! I'm reaching out to progressives all of the time, but even in a liberal community, this is not my primary focus...watch the video to get the context.

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radiofriendly said:
Thanks for all of the responses.
My main reason for making this video is because I'm hearing a lot of buzz from our activists about this Blue Republican thing. Sure, some of you can provide anecdotal stories about a person you converted, but, I stress, this will not win Ron Paul a Republican primary victory or a straw poll. The numbers are stacked against you.

In response to:

"It's tempting to put people - voters - into groups and treat them as collectives, but isn't it wiser to treat people as individuals? I mean, isn't that what this whole campaign is about? I'd rahter have a million tentacles reaching out to as many different people, than waste our time trying to centrally plan a win.

If you don't like a particular tactic, don't employ it. Focus your energy where you think it is best served. And even if someone else's tactics may be of little value in your estimation, they still provide a value. Each of us need to do what we feel comfortable doing and what excites us."

Again, my concern is that you folks who are promoting this stategy of reaching progressives are leading our new activists/members down a non-effective path. You guys are also acting as a collective and trying to persuade people to do things. I'm simply presenting some facts about how this tactic is dead wrong.
*Take that with a grain of salt! I'm reaching out to progressives all of the time, but even in a liberal community, this is not my primary focus...watch the video to get the context.

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I absolutely agree with your asessment, liberals/progressives are not the path to victory, if we're gonna win it's gonna come down to winning over social conservatives in Iowa.
 
radiofriendly said:
Thanks for all of the responses.
My main reason for making this video is because I'm hearing a lot of buzz from our activists about this Blue Republican thing. Sure, some of you can provide anecdotal stories about a person you converted, but, I stress, this will not win Ron Paul a Republican primary victory or a straw poll. The numbers are stacked against you.
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First, remember that not all states have closed primaries. Second, mine does, and I have caused people to re-register as Republicans. I have. I don't care to name names in a public forum, but I have done this.

But mostly, if you look at the official polls of 'likely Republican primary voters' (i.e. those who are registered Republican whether they need to be in their state or not and have voted in Republican primaries before) you'll find that your own numbers are stacked against you as well right now. Of course, you haven't finished your job any more than we're through with ours. But we both have to face the facts--neither one of us may be able to get enough converts to Paul in time to win the primaries. So, why the hell wouldn't we both continue to do what we're good at, and see if our converts plus your converts equals enough converts?

Let me reiterate--adding me to the numbers trying to do what you're doing will not help because I'm no good at what you're doing. I am, however, if I do say so myself, quite good at doing what I'm doing. So, if your tactic may not be enough, and my tactic may not be enough, why the hell wouldn't we check and see if your tactic and my tactic are enough together? Why?

This is why people are objecting to the negative message and calling it trollish. We just may need both. At least I'm busy trying to win people over to the cause. Are you? Or are you merely trying to tell me and mine that we shouldn't try to win people over to the cause? You gave me your advice. Now I have advice for you--don't worry about my time and how i spend it. Spend your time trying to win over who you're good at winning over. And stop demonizing my potential converts. I'm trying really, really hard not to demonize yours.

Don't discourage. Don't demonize. If you want time to be spent well, spend your own time well--winning people over. Whoever you can, however you can.

Anything else is worse than a waste of time. It's a counterproductive use of your time.
 
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I live in a caucus state wherein a person attends the neighborhood meeting, and states the values of liberty and the Constitution. This is where I am seeking to represent my precinct as a delegate in a statewide assembly. It's right here where we need to have the blue republicans and the independents switch to R. For caucus states, its all about the delegates, baby!

We need the delegates, and it's a numbers game. So this means the activist gets more of a say at assembly and caucus, rather than just one vote on a statewide primary.
 
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Plenty of people have plenty of time to waste. Call it a hobby then. I'm all for it.
 
that this thread got to a 2nd page shows we have a long way to go to become a cohesive force.
 
Why would you want to remove any strings at all from our bow?

And I disagree. The last time independents and Dems thought they had something new in Obama. Now those who care know differently.
 
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