Fed suggests it's closer to slowing bond purchases

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But also suggests that may not happen until at least next year.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Chairman Ben Bernanke ended weeks of speculation Wednesday by saying the Federal Reserve will likely slow its bond-buying program later this year and end it next year if the economy continues to improve.

The Fed's bond purchases have helped keep long-term interest rates at record lows.

Bernanke said the reductions would occur in "measured steps" and that the purchases could end by the middle of next year. By then, he said he thought unemployment would be around 7 percent.

Bernanke likened any reduction in the Fed's $85 billion-a month in bond purchases to a driver letting up on a gas pedal rather than applying the brakes.

Anticipating higher interest rates, investors reacted by selling both stocks and bonds. The Dow Jones industrial average was down 167 points in late-afternoon trading after Bernanke's news conference ended. The yield on the 10-year Treasury note shot up to 2.31 percent from 2.21 percent just before the statement came out.

The Fed sketched a brighter economic outlook Wednesday, which is why it thinks record-low interest rates may soon no longer be necessary. Low rates help fuel economic growth. But they also raise the risk of high inflation and dangerous bubbles in assets like stocks or real estate.

Speaking of the economy, Bernanke said, "The fundamentals look a little better to us."

He spoke at a news conference after the Fed ended a two-day policy meeting. After the meeting, the Fed voted to continue the pace of its bond-buying program for now. But it offered a more optimistic outlook for the U.S. economy and job market.

In its statement, the Fed said the economy is growing moderately. And for the first time it said the "downside risks to the outlook" had diminished since fall.

Timothy Duy, a University of Oregon economist who tracks the Fed, called the statement "an open door for scaling back asset purchases as early as September."

The fact that the Fed foresees less downside risk to the job market "gives them a reason to pull back" on its bond purchases, Duy said.

The Fed said it will keep buying $85 billion a month in bonds until the outlook for the job market improves substantially. The goal is to lower long-term interest rates to encourage borrowing, spending and investing. It hasn't defined substantially.

Asked if it will be difficult for the Fed to clearly communicate its plans for scaling back the bond purchases, Bernanke agreed.

"We are in a more complex type of situation," he said. "We are going to be as clear as we can."

In its statement Wednesday, the Fed said it would maintain its plan to keep short-term rates at record lows at least until unemployment reaches 6.5 percent.

The Fed also released its latest economic projections Wednesday. Fed officials predicted that unemployment will fall a little faster this year, to 7.2 percent or 7.3 percent at the end of 2013 from 7.6 percent now. They think the rate will be between 6.5 percent and 6.8 percent by the end of 2014, better than its previous projection of 6.7 percent to 7 percent.

The Fed also said inflation was running below its 2 percent long-run objective, but noted that temporary factors were partly the reason. It said inflation could run as low as 0.8 percent this year. But it predicts it will pick up next year to between 1.4 percent and 2 percent.

"The more upbeat tone and the change in the unemployment forecast will only encourage expectations for action soon," Jim O'Sullivan, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, wrote in a research note. "We continue to believe that tapering could start at the Sept. 17-18 meeting."

But David Robin, co-head of the futures and options desk at the brokerage Newedge, said he didn't think Bernanke's upbeat assessment matches an economy that's just "muddling along."

Investors may suspect the Fed is looking for a reason to scale back the bond purchases, Robin said. "It's a big mess," he said.

The statement was approved on a 10-2 vote. James Bullard, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, objected for the first time this year, saying he wanted a stronger commitment from the Fed to keep inflation from falling too low.

Esther George objected for the fourth time this year, again voicing concerns about inflation rising too quickly.

During his news conference, Bernanke declined to address speculation that he will step down as Fed chairman when his term ends in January.

He was asked to respond to comments Monday by President Barack Obama, who said Bernanke had already stayed longer than planned. The president's remarks added to expectations that Bernanke intends to step down.

Bernanke avoided the question.

"I would like to keep the discussion on monetary policy," he said. "I don't have anything for you on my personal plans."

The ultra-low rates engineered by the Fed have helped fuel a housing comeback, support economic growth, drive stocks to record highs and restore the wealth America lost to the recession.

Financial markets have been gyrating in the four weeks since Chairman Ben Bernanke told Congress the Fed might scale back its effort to keep long-term rates at record lows within "the next few meetings"— earlier than many had assumed.

Bernanke cautioned that the Fed would slow its support only if it felt confident the job market would show sustained improvement. And he also told lawmakers that the Fed must take care not to prematurely reduce its stimulus for the still-subpar economy.


The Fed announced after its September meeting that it would purchase $40 billion a month in mortgage bonds for as long as it deems necessary. And in December, the Fed expanded the program to $85 billion a month, adding $45 billion a month in Treasury bond purchases. The Treasury purchases replaced an expiring bond-purchase program.

Job growth picked up after the Fed announced the latest round of bond purchases. Since October, the economy has added an average of 196,500 jobs a month, up from 157,000 a month in the previous eight months.

Last month, the U.S. economy added a solid 175,000 jobs. But the unemployment rate is still high at 7.6 percent. Economists tend to regard the job market as healthy when unemployment is between 5 percent and 6 percent.
 
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And so the next chapter leading up to the collapse begins. I call this chapter "Visualizing the inevitable"
 
The problem with stopping the bond buying is there isn't another bubble to inflate to get us out of the increasing interest rate catastrophe.
 
They can't stop.. once they do everything breaks down... they have literrally papered over the problem. Take away free money keeping the 'recovery' going and all you have left is unimaginable debt service, rising prices, inflation, and ultimately chaos.
 
The words... 'kick the can' come to mind once again. How long can they keep the music playing?
 
The problem with stopping the bond buying is there isn't another bubble to inflate to get us out of the increasing interest rate catastrophe.

And as the interest rate rises, Nank has few tools to keep the excess reserves out of the economy. Hes pretty much going to be forced to raise IOER to match the rising interest rate. This will make the bankers enormously rich, but it will also have the side effects of bankrupting the fed, and because of the massive size of these excess reserves, any non-negligible increases in IOER will have a visible effect on inflation, which will further raise market interest rates, and continually compound this problem.

When interest rates rise, it will get interesting
 
And as the interest rate rises, Nank has few tools to keep the excess reserves out of the economy. Hes pretty much going to be forced to raise IOER to match the rising interest rate. This will make the bankers enormously rich, but it will also have the side effects of bankrupting the fed, and because of the massive size of these excess reserves, any non-negligible increases in IOER will have a visible effect on inflation, which will further raise market interest rates, and continually compound this problem.

When interest rates rise, it will get interesting

Rising interest rates will slow how quickly money circulates (lower its velocity). To get high price inflation, you need high velocity. The Fed doesn't necessarily have to sell any of the assets they purchased- they can just hold them until they mature and collect the money then. That would have no impact on interest rates. If they tried to dump what they own, that would have a huge impact on the economy and the Fed tries to avoid that (which is also why they are hinting at eventually gradually reducing their purchases which is a very long ways from starting to try to reduce what they have- I think the reduction of purchases will take a few years to get to zero- they won't even do that quickly.
 
The problem with stopping the bond buying is there isn't another bubble to inflate to get us out of the increasing interest rate catastrophe.

They believe that they have managed to start a new housing bubble, which they will further fuel with more immigration.
 
Rising interest rates will slow how quickly money circulates (lower its velocity). To get high price inflation, you need high velocity. The Fed doesn't necessarily have to sell any of the assets they purchased- they can just hold them until they mature and collect the money then. That would have no impact on interest rates. If they tried to dump what they own, that would have a huge impact on the economy and the Fed tries to avoid that (which is also why they are hinting at eventually gradually reducing their purchases which is a very long ways from starting to try to reduce what they have- I think the reduction of purchases will take a few years to get to zero- they won't even do that quickly.


Maybe I'm wrong, but can't you have high interest rates and high velocity of money at the same time? Isn't that the ultimate end-game situation everyone is dreading? How can that not happen given how screwed up everything is? Rates will get out of their control and then they will literally give money away and have loans where part of the underwriting process is a video showing the borrower breathing on a mirror to prove they were alive. That's all they will want to grant the loan.
 
Yes you can- we saw that in the late 1970's- the Fed responded by raising interest rates much higher which put on the brakes (and led to double digit unemployment in exchange for lowering inflation), but you need a much stronger economy than we have right now. Things need to be growing quickly and people spending lots of money. As interest rates go up, people are less willing to borrow- both consumers purchasing homes or cars and businesses wanting to expand. Higher costs of borrowing means less money for other things when you do borrow. Right now, higher interest rates will cause people to cut back.
 
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Rising interest rates will slow how quickly money circulates (lower its velocity). To get high price inflation, you need high velocity. The Fed doesn't necessarily have to sell any of the assets they purchased- they can just hold them until they mature and collect the money then. That would have no impact on interest rates. If they tried to dump what they own, that would have a huge impact on the economy and the Fed tries to avoid that (which is also why they are hinting at eventually gradually reducing their purchases which is a very long ways from starting to try to reduce what they have- I think the reduction of purchases will take a few years to get to zero- they won't even do that quickly.

Cool theory, but that doesnt address the excess reserves
 
The excess reserves will be there until the banks decide to lend them out to people. Apparently they don't have the demand for that money now and if interest rates go up, that demand will certainly not increase. It is true that the Fed is paying them one quarter of one percent to leave it there, but any loan could easily earn them much higher returns than that.
 
They might slow their purchases, but there is 0 chance imo of them ever selling a bond or raising rates. The bernank and fedco will go japanese by the time this is all said and done. Any actions to raise rates and stop QE will instantly cause a stock crash which will in turn reverse the fed position. Permanent QE is here to stay.
 
I like this thread title. It's not: Fed to end bond purchases
Nor is it: Fed slowing bond purchases
Nor is it: Fed closer to slowing bond purchases

No, we can't even do that, we can only drop suggestions that we might be coming to a point that is closer to the point where we may decide to slow down bond purchases. Or something like that.
 
The excess reserves will be there until the banks decide to lend them out to people. Apparently they don't have the demand for that money now and if interest rates go up, that demand will certainly not increase. It is true that the Fed is paying them one quarter of one percent to leave it there, but any loan could easily earn them much higher returns than that.

Interest rates don't go up all by itself. It's driven by demand. Currently that demand for money is being supplied by the Fed. When that spigot turns shut, where do you think that supply is going to come from?
 
Interest rates don't go up all by itself. It's driven by demand. Currently that demand for money is being supplied by the Fed. When that spigot turns shut, where do you think that supply is going to come from?

The supply of money is plentiful for loans- as is seen by all of the excess reserves not being loaned out. Demand is what is relatively scarce. The supply of money is being provided by the Fed- not the demand for money. They are responsible for much of the current demand for US Treasury notes though.
 
LOL Zippyjuan you are so clueless.

Yes you can- we saw that in the late 1970's- the Fed responded by raising interest rates much higher which put on the brakes (and led to double digit unemployment in exchange for lowering inflation), but you need a much stronger economy than we have right now. Things need to be growing quickly and people spending lots of money.

You know you can have people spending lots of money without the economy being very strong at all right? Do you think the 85bil/month injected will just sit there?? Do you think the government will significantly reduce their deficit?

As interest rates go up, people are less willing to borrow- both consumers purchasing homes or cars and businesses wanting to expand. Higher costs of borrowing means less money for other things when you do borrow. Right now, higher interest rates will cause people to cut back.

How does any of this matter with the fed injecting 85bil/month? What people borrow are peanuts compared to that.


They can't allow rates to rise, not this time with that humongous debt the fed gov has, period. If they do it's game over and if they don't it's a different kind of game of but game over just the same. Getting out of this with lots of people not losing lots of wealth (notice I didn't say money) is a pipe dream.
 
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