F-16 pilot was ready to give her life on Sept. 11

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Is this for real? Rand talked about it during the Friday's forum.

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WASHINGTON — Late in the morning of the Tuesday that changed everything, Lt. Heather “Lucky” Penney was on a runway at Andrews Air Force Base and ready to fly. She had her hand on the throttle of an F-16 and she had her orders: Bring down United Airlines Flight 93. The day’s fourth hijacked airliner seemed to be hurtling toward Washington. Penney, one of the first two combat pilots in the air that morning, was told to stop it.

The one thing she didn’t have as she roared into the crystalline sky was live ammunition. Or missiles. Or anything at all to throw at a hostile aircraft.

Except her own plane. So that was the plan.

Because the surprise attacks were unfolding, in that innocent age, faster than they could arm war planes, Penney and her commanding officer went up to fly their jets straight into a Boeing 757.

“We wouldn’t be shooting it down. We’d be ramming the aircraft,” Penney recalls of her charge that day. “I would essentially be a kamikaze pilot.”

For years, Penney, one of the first generation of female combat pilots in the country, gave no interviews about her experiences on Sept. 11 (which included, eventually, escorting Air Force One back into Washington’s suddenly highly restricted airspace).

But 10 years later, she is reflecting on one of the lesser-told tales of that endlessly examined morning: how the first counterpunch the U.S. military prepared to throw at the attackers was effectively a suicide mission.

“We had to protect the airspace any way we could,” she said last week in her office at Lockheed Martin, where she is a director in the F-35 program.

Penney, now a major but still a petite blonde with a Colgate grin, is no longer a combat flier. She flew two tours in Iraq and she serves as a part-time National Guard pilot, mostly hauling VIPs around in a military Gulfstream. She takes the stick of her own vintage 1941 Taylorcraft tail-dragger whenever she can.

But none of her thousands of hours in the air quite compare with the urgent rush of launching on what was supposed to be a one-way flight to a midair collision.

First of her kind
She was a rookie in the autumn of 2001, the first female F-16 pilot they’d ever had at the 121st Fighter Squadron of the D.C. Air National Guard. She had grown up smelling jet fuel. Her father flew jets in Vietnam and still races them. Penney got her pilot’s licence when she was a literature major at Purdue. She planned to be a teacher. But during a graduate program in American studies, Congress opened up combat aviation to women and Penney was nearly first in line.

“I signed up immediately,” she says. “I wanted to be a fighter pilot like my dad.”

On that Tuesday, they had just finished two weeks of air combat training in Nevada. They were sitting around a briefing table when someone looked in to say a plane had hit the World Trade Center in New York. When it happened once, they assumed it was some yahoo in a Cessna. When it happened again, they knew it was war.

But the surprise was complete. In the monumental confusion of those first hours, it was impossible to get clear orders. Nothing was ready. The jets were still equipped with dummy bullets from the training mission.

As remarkable as it seems now, there were no armed aircraft standing by and no system in place to scramble them over Washington. Before that morning, all eyes were looking outward, still scanning the old Cold War threat paths for planes and missiles coming over the polar ice cap.

“There was no perceived threat at the time, especially one coming from the homeland like that,” says Col. George Degnon, vice commander of the 113th Wing at Andrews. “It was a little bit of a helpless feeling, but we did everything humanly possible to get the aircraft armed and in the air. It was amazing to see people react.”

Things are different today, *Degnon says. At least two “hot-cocked” planes are ready at all times, their pilots never more than yards from the cockpit.

A third plane hit the Pentagon, and almost at once came word that a fourth plane could be on the way, maybe more. The jets would be armed within an hour, but somebody had to fly now, weapons or no weapons.

“Lucky, you’re coming with me,” barked Col. Marc Sasseville.

They were gearing up in the pre-flight life-support area when Sasseville, struggling into his flight suit, met her eye.

“I’m going to go for the cockpit,” Sasseville said.

She replied without hesitating.

“I’ll take the tail.”

It was a plan. And a pact.

‘Let’s go!’
Penney had never scrambled a jet before. Normally the pre-flight is a half-hour or so of methodical checks. She automatically started going down the list.

“Lucky, what are you doing? Get your butt up there and let’s go!” Sasseville shouted.

She climbed in, rushed to power up the engines, screamed for her ground crew to pull the chocks. The crew chief still had his headphones plugged into the fuselage as she nudged the throttle forward. He ran along pulling safety pins from the jet as it moved forward.

She muttered a fighter pilot’s prayer — “God, don’t let me [expletive] up” — and followed Sasse*ville into the sky.

They screamed over the smoldering Pentagon, heading northwest at more than 400 mph, flying low and scanning the clear horizon. Her commander had time to think about the best place to hit the enemy.

“We don’t train to bring down airliners,” said Sasseville, now stationed at the Pentagon. “If you just hit the engine, it could still glide and you could guide it to a target. My thought was the cockpit or the wing.”

He also thought about his ejection seat. Would there be an instant just before impact?

“I was hoping to do both at the same time,” he says. “It probably wasn’t going to work, but that’s what I was hoping.”

Penney worried about missing the target if she tried to bail out.

“If you eject and your jet soars through without impact . . .” she trails off, the thought of failing more dreadful than the thought of dying.

But she didn’t have to die. She didn’t have to knock down an airliner full of kids and salesmen and girlfriends. They did that themselves.

It would be hours before Penney and Sasseville learned that United 93 had already gone down in Pennsylvania, an insurrection by hostages willing to do just what the two Guard pilots had been willing to do: Anything. And everything.

“The real heroes are the passengers on Flight 93 who were willing to sacrifice themselves,” Penney says. “I was just an accidental witness to history.”

She and Sasseville flew the rest of the day, clearing the airspace, escorting the president, looking down onto a city that would soon be sending them to war.

She’s a single mom of two girls now. She still loves to fly. And she still thinks often of that extraordinary ride down the runway a decade ago.

“I genuinely believed that was going to be the last time I took off,” she says. “If we did it right, this would be it.”
 
Yeah holy shit.

I'm not much of a military person. I don't really understand dying for your country. Commendable because it's selfless, sure. Still, I'd have tried different measures than straight ramming if I were in that position... Remember large airliners aren't maneuverable, F16's are. They could have flown in front of the aircraft and try to mess them up with wake turbulence, try to push on the wing with their wing, to unbalance them, might as well try it if the other alternative is certain death. Maybe turn on the afterburner right in front of the wing or fly through the middle part of the vertical stabilizer and eject right at the point of impact.. I'd say an F16 flies right through, probably not controllable afterwards but structurally fighter planes are far superior to airliners.

Although, I can certainly understand not wanting to live anymore if you'd just caused the death of a lot of innocents.

I guess war sucks and I hate it but that doesn't change things sadly.

Well I guess Lt. Penney definitely is hero material.



But like Rand said at the forum WHY WAS NOBODY FIRED ? She'd have given her life because others, higher up in the chain DID NOT do their job. She was definitely 'Lucky' there.
 
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Yeah holy shit.

I'm not much of a military person. I don't really understand dying for your country. Commendable because it's selfless, sure. Still, I'd have tried different measures than straight ramming if I were in that position... Remember large airliners aren't maneuverable, F16's are. They could have flown in front of the aircraft and try to mess them up with wake turbulence, try to push on the wing with their wing, to unbalance them, might as well try it if the other alternative is certain death. Maybe turn on the afterburner right in front of the wing or fly through the middle part of the vertical stabilizer and eject right at the point of impact.. I'd say an F16 flies right through, probably not controllable afterwards but structurally fighter planes are far superior to airliners.

I see you're not a pilot. :)

The wake of an F16 is not going to have much of an effect on a 57, despite the latter's very low wing loading. That is because of the limited ways the smaller aircraft could approach the larger. The vortex streets coming off the wings of a 57, however, would literally tear an F16 to shreds. There is a minimum separation distance of FOUR MILES for 57s, and with good reason. That is how powerful the currents are. Small aircraft are simply pulverized by such turbulence.
 
ironically, last night i was talking to a guy who knew a guy personally who was in the bunker with bush on 9/11 and who said he heard bush give the shoot down order of flight 93.
 
I don't believe any part of this story.

Military people stroking themselves for doing nothing.

Typical fiction that Boobus eats up.

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I see you're not a pilot. :)

The wake of an F16 is not going to have much of an effect on a 57, despite the latter's very low wing loading. That is because of the limited ways the smaller aircraft could approach the larger. The vortex streets coming off the wings of a 57, however, would literally tear an F16 to shreds. There is a minimum separation distance of FOUR MILES for 57s, and with good reason. That is how powerful the currents are. Small aircraft are simply pulverized by such turbulence.

Right. Where did you read they should have approached (exactly) from behind ? Apart from that, what do you think the exhaust of an F16 would do to the leading edge of a wing if flown close in front ? Of course the bad guys would have to keep course to make anything like that happen but if they try to evade, it's all the more chance to make them crash that way.
 
I see you're not a pilot. :)

The wake of an F16 is not going to have much of an effect on a 57, despite the latter's very low wing loading. That is because of the limited ways the smaller aircraft could approach the larger. The vortex streets coming off the wings of a 57, however, would literally tear an F16 to shreds. There is a minimum separation distance of FOUR MILES for 57s, and with good reason. That is how powerful the currents are. Small aircraft are simply pulverized by such turbulence.

Wake turbulence will not tear a F-16 to shreds.
 
Wake turbulence will not tear a F-16 to shreds.

Oh no? Do you realize that, for example, refueling aircraft behind tankers can experience localized forces upward of 1000g in such wakes? There are accounts of such aircraft that wandered into the tip street and had two of their engines ripped from the airframes. This is one of the very real hazards of in-flight refueling. Tip and strake vortices can also undergo a phenomenon called "breakdown". The violence of getting caught in one, where the axis-line flow of air at the center of the vortex actually reverses, will simply peel any aircraft you care to name apart because all of a sudden you are flying into a brick wall of still air, relative to your own motion.

From my book on fluid vortices:

"To gain an appreciation for the severity of an interaction that can occur when a plane encounters one of these tip vortices, consider a Boeing 757 on landing approach. The peak tangential velocity around the B757 tip vortex has been measured to be 100 m/s, and greater than 10 m/s tangential velocity occurs several METERS (emph. mine) from the centerline. A following plane traveling at perhaps 60 m/sec, which travels axially into the tip vortex generated by the B757, therefore experiences an effective incident angle roughly 10* (tan^-1[10/60]) above nominal on one wing surface and 10* below on the other. These huge changes in incident flow angle as the following plane enters the tip vortex can both stall the wing and generate large rolling moments that the aircraft ailerons cannot control. Chigier has reported that 'accident involving loss of life or serious injury [due to encounters with wake vortices] now exceed 100.' Perhaps due to its clean wing design, the B757 seems to be a particularly dangerous generating aircraft; eight people were killed in 1992 and five people died in 1993 after encounters with B757 wake vortices."

Note that this hazard exists even at significant fractions of the minimum separation distances. Being right up close and personal with these artificial tornadoes is nothing to dismiss. Imagine your 777 rolling 30* just 150 feet above the deck. That call's for new undies in the event you don't go smokin'.

Back in Viet Nam they were having conniptions awhile with, IIRC, the F105s (maybe F100s) disintegrating completely. It was discovered that the M61(20mm gattling gun) was generating so much exhaust gas that it was blowing the maintenance hatches right off and the resulting airstream impact simply blew the aircraft to smithereens. The point here is that once skin is breached, aircraft become highly prone to major structural failure unless they reduce their velocity yesterday. The forces incurred in an up-close-and-personal wake vortex encounter are very high. A localized impulse of 1000g may far exceed the manufactured strength of surface paneling precisely because it is an impulse force, the effects of which are very difference from more gradual applications of the same magnitude. That is why things come apart in the manner that they do.
 
Oh no? Do you realize that, for example, refueling aircraft behind tankers can experience localized forces upward of 1000g in such wakes? There are accounts of such aircraft that wandered into the tip street and had two of their engines ripped from the airframes. This is one of the very real hazards of in-flight refueling. Tip and strake vortices can also undergo a phenomenon called "breakdown". The violence of getting caught in one, where the axis-line flow of air at the center of the vortex actually reverses, will simply peel any aircraft you care to name apart because all of a sudden you are flying into a brick wall of still air, relative to your own motion.

From my book on fluid vortices:

"To gain an appreciation for the severity of an interaction that can occur when a plane encounters one of these tip vortices, consider a Boeing 757 on landing approach. The peak tangential velocity around the B757 tip vortex has been measured to be 100 m/s, and greater than 10 m/s tangential velocity occurs several METERS (emph. mine) from the centerline. A following plane traveling at perhaps 60 m/sec, which travels axially into the tip vortex generated by the B757, therefore experiences an effective incident angle roughly 10* (tan^-1[10/60]) above nominal on one wing surface and 10* below on the other. These huge changes in incident flow angle as the following plane enters the tip vortex can both stall the wing and generate large rolling moments that the aircraft ailerons cannot control. Chigier has reported that 'accident involving loss of life or serious injury [due to encounters with wake vortices] now exceed 100.' Perhaps due to its clean wing design, the B757 seems to be a particularly dangerous generating aircraft; eight people were killed in 1992 and five people died in 1993 after encounters with B757 wake vortices."

Note that this hazard exists even at significant fractions of the minimum separation distances. Being right up close and personal with these artificial tornadoes is nothing to dismiss. Imagine your 777 rolling 30* just 150 feet above the deck. That call's for new undies in the event you don't go smokin'.

Back in Viet Nam they were having conniptions awhile with, IIRC, the F105s (maybe F100s) disintegrating completely. It was discovered that the M61(20mm gattling gun) was generating so much exhaust gas that it was blowing the maintenance hatches right off and the resulting airstream impact simply blew the aircraft to smithereens. The point here is that once skin is breached, aircraft become highly prone to major structural failure unless they reduce their velocity yesterday. The forces incurred in an up-close-and-personal wake vortex encounter are very high. A localized impulse of 1000g may far exceed the manufactured strength of surface paneling precisely because it is an impulse force, the effects of which are very difference from more gradual applications of the same magnitude. That is why things come apart in the manner that they do.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...e-on-Sept-11&p=6049752&viewfull=1#post6049752
 
Because the surprise attacks were unfolding, in that innocent age, faster than they could arm war planes, Penney and her commanding officer went up to fly their jets straight into a Boeing 757.

So no way to send up a couple fighter planes with minimal weapons? You'd think in this day and age there is a system to arm the planes quickly. Anyone with experience in that area know for sure?
 
Because the surprise attacks were unfolding, in that innocent age, faster than they could arm war planes, Penney and her commanding officer went up to fly their jets straight into a Boeing 757.

So no way to send up a couple fighter planes with minimal weapons? You'd think in this day and age there is a system to arm the planes quickly. Anyone with experience in that area know for sure?

Generally speaking armaments are stored in secure buildings. Stuff has to be moved around and loaded. Ever seen how they reload a machine gun on a jet fighter ? It's more or less like fueling a car. Same with missiles and bombs, these things are actually heavy and have to be carted into place. It's not as plug and play as you might expect, then again, F16's aren't exactly 21st century technology.

The thing is, if you want to intercept you want to take off as soon as possible. You're not going to load any weapons in a couple minutes if there's nobody ready to do it like on a carrier deck. They didn't have time for pre-flight checks either.
 
Generally speaking armaments are stored in secure buildings. Stuff has to be moved around and loaded. Ever seen how they reload a machine gun on a jet fighter ? It's more or less like fueling a car. Same with missiles and bombs, these things are actually heavy and have to be carted into place. It's not as plug and play as you might expect, then again, F16's aren't exactly 21st century technology.

The thing is, if you want to intercept you want to take off as soon as possible. You're not going to load any weapons in a couple minutes if there's nobody ready to do it like on a carrier deck. They didn't have time for pre-flight checks either.

There was an article written by Bill Scott back in '02 in Aviation Week. It's a lot less breathless than that WaPo tripe. The first two 16's that went up were armed with their 20mm Vulcan cannons and they had a full load out of ball ammo for training rather than explosive ammo.

Two other 16's got AIM-9s mounted and were off the deck ten minutes after the first two. But really this whole story is a bit hot. Even before the first two gun-only 16's from the 121st were off the ground, NORAD had fully armed aircraft in orbit overhead. The only reason that the 121st 16's were in the air was an order from the Secret Service, who had clearly lost commo continuity with NORAD in the fog.

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I was thinking about this. What a bullshit statement. You know what? I was going to ram my plane into the jet too and so was my buddy. Shame they crashed before I could do it. :rolleyes: There's always heros after the fact.

Why be proud of that? She was picked because she was one of the worst pilots. You don't sacrifice your best in that scenario.

This entire story is poser garbage.
 
I was thinking about this. What a bullshit statement. You know what? I was going to ram my plane into the jet too and so was my buddy. Shame they crashed before I could do it. :rolleyes: There's always heros after the fact.

Why be proud of that? She was picked because she was one of the worst pilots. You don't sacrifice your best in that scenario.

This entire story is poser garbage.

Why didn't she just use the PIT maneuver like the kops?

It would be no less believable than the rest of her story.
 
If I saw the plane was headed for D.C., I suicide myself against any fighter/weapon system trying to bring it down.
 
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