Enough's enough: Obama has conceded ineligibility [by default]

[lynnf]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=202929


For more than two years now, I have given Barack Obama the benefit of the doubt.

That may be hard to fathom for some because of my admittedly relentless and tireless pursuit of the truth about his origins and his constitutional eligibility for office.

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Today, the latest polls show 58 percent of Americans don't believe Obama's story and suspect he is not eligible to serve.

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He has failed to answer the charge. He has failed to enter a plea. He has failed to show up for a hearing. Therefore, I no longer afford him the presumption of innocence.

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Many in Washington, who are complicit in Obama's eligibility charade, and the establishment news media, who failed to provide the appropriate journalistic diligence and curiosity to hold Obama accountable, are still wishing, hoping and praying this issue and the public interest in it just fades away.

That isn't going to happen.

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[dannno]

58% of Americans don't think Obama is eligible for President......

Something like 36% of Americans think the govt. may have had a hand in the 9/11 attacks.....

Yet people on this forum will still have you believe that bringing up these issues is a bad idea. Go ahead, play into the media's hands, that is exactly what they want you to think.

 

[oyarde]

58% of Americans don't think Obama is illegible......

36% of Americans think the govt. may have had a hand in the 9/11 attacks.....

Yet people on this forum will still have you believe that bringing up these issues is a bad idea. Go ahead, play into the media's hands, that is exactly what they want you to think.

More think Elvis is alive than think the stimulus worked .

 

[Zippyjuan]

Let's look at just what the CNN poll numbers said. The question was:

Do you think Barack Obama was definitely born in the United States, probably born in the United
States, probably born in another country, or definitely born in another country?

Definitely born in U.S. 42%
Probably born in the U.S. 29%
Probably born in another country 16%
Definitely born in another country 11%
No opinion 2%

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/08/04/rel10k.pdf

So 71% say either he "was definately born in the US" or "Was probably born in the US". You have to twist the numbers around to try to claim that 58% don't think he was born here- because that ISN'T what they say. But that is no surprise if you want to portray the results favorable to your position. It is really 27% who said they think that Obama either probably or definately was born in another country so it is hardly a mainstream opinion or issue.

Even among Republicans, 23% said Definately and 34% said Probably born in the USA or 57%.

 

[lynnf]

Let's look at just what the CNN poll numbers said. The question was:



http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/08/04/rel10k.pdf

So 71% say either he "was definately born in the US" or "Was probably born in the US". You have to twist the numbers around to try to claim that 58% don't think he was born here- because that ISN'T what they say. But that is no surprise if you want to portray the results favorable to your position. It is really 27% who said they think that Obama either probably or definately was born in another country so it is hardly a mainstream opinion or issue.

Even among Republicans, 23% said Definately and 34% said Probably born in the USA or 57%.

nice try, Zip, but that seems to not be the poll being referred to

maybe it was this one

http://themoderatevoice.com/41435/g...-percent-unsuredoubt-obama-really-born-in-us/


A whopping 58 percent of Republicans either think Barack Obama wasn’t born in the US (28 percent) or aren’t sure (30 percent). A mere 42 percent think he was.

That means a majority of Republicans polled either don’t know about — or don’t believe the seemingly incontrovertible evidence Obama’s camp has presented over and over and over that he was born in Hawaii in ‘61.


this was from a Kos/Research2000 poll apparently

 

[wizardwatson]

58% of Americans don't think Obama is eligible for President......

Something like 36% of Americans think the govt. may have had a hand in the 9/11 attacks.....

Yet people on this forum will still have you believe that bringing up these issues is a bad idea. Go ahead, play into the media's hands, that is exactly what they want you to think.

Well, people on this forum think its a bad idea because they self-identify this BB as part of the RP campaign. And furthermore, they believe that what happens on this forum effects the campaign to such a degree that silencing legitimate conversation is necessary.

So we've got multiple levels of self-delusion and ignorance to contend with. In the grand scheme of things I'm not sure any of it really matters, including whether Obama is a manchurian Islamic Kenyan candidate, or whether the international bankers and child molesting devil worshipers orchestrated or enabled 9/11.

 

[Bruno]

in b4 blackterrel makes excuses, is dismissive, says who cares, etc.

 

[Working Poor]

Truth is treason in an empire of lies

^^

 

[Zippyjuan]

nice try, Zip, but that seems to not be the poll being referred to

maybe it was this one

http://themoderatevoice.com/41435/g...-percent-unsuredoubt-obama-really-born-in-us/


A whopping 58 percent of Republicans either think Barack Obama wasn’t born in the US (28 percent) or aren’t sure (30 percent). A mere 42 percent think he was.

That means a majority of Republicans polled either don’t know about — or don’t believe the seemingly incontrovertible evidence Obama’s camp has presented over and over and over that he was born in Hawaii in ‘61.


this was from a Kos/Research2000 poll apparently

Thanks. From that same link:

Some 77 percent of Americans believe that, yes, Obama is indeed an American:

 

[libertarian4321]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=202929


For more than two years now, I have given Barack Obama the benefit of the doubt.

Huh?

That's like saying Hitler gave Jews the benefit of the doubt.

For 2+ years, essentially every thread you have started has been harping about how Obama isn't eligible to be President or should be impeached.

About the only time you vary from the subject is when you get to harping about the "truth."

 

[WaltM]

Birther logic : Lack of response = I win by default

Try that with tax evasion, 9/11 conspiracy theories, or moon estate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hope

 

[Promontorium]

Like the 9/11 conspiracy theories, there's zero evidence to your theory, a dozen different equally possible, and equally improbable theories, and some evidence the official story might not be 100% right.

 

[libertarian4321]

Like the 9/11 conspiracy theories, there's zero evidence to your theory, a dozen different equally possible, and equally improbable theories, and some evidence the official story might not be 100% right.

By conspiracy theorist logic, if you don't believe in the conspiracy theory, you are PART of the conspiracy!

 

[silus]

Yet people on this forum will still have you believe that bringing up these issues is a bad idea. Go ahead, play into the media's hands, that is exactly what they want you to think.

Well, people on this forum think its a bad idea because they self-identify this BB as part of the RP campaign. And furthermore, they believe that what happens on this forum effects the campaign to such a degree that silencing legitimate conversation is necessary. So we've got multiple levels of self-delusion and ignorance to contend with.

Newsflash. This is a Ron Paul forum. It is dedicated to organizing, representing and echoing Ron Paul's message. The belief is that fundamentally most Americans support Dr. Paul's core message, and so the goal is to spread it to as many people as possible. People like you just want to use this forum to enhance their pet project, and have more interest in it than in some of the issues Dr. Paul focuses on.

The sad thing is you think people want to silence you, but the truth is they don't want you diluting Ron Paul's message, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, especially considering the short-sighted nature of some of these positions. Ron Paul is operating on another level, trying to change government at a fundamental level, and some people are just fixated on a single individual. And you say you want change??

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Birther logic : Lack of response = I win by default

Try that with tax evasion, 9/11 conspiracy theories, or moon estate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hope

Welcome to the real world and thank you for pointing out the obvious.

Yes. Lack of response to evidence = Other party wins by default.

If the IRS sends you a bill then lack of response = They win by default
If Chase sends you a credit card bill then lack of response = They win by default
If John Doe sends you a bill for mowing your yard whether you wanted him to or not then lack of response = John Doe wins by default.

That is the way it works.

Newsflash. This is a Ron Paul forum. It is dedicated to organizing, representing and echoing Ron Paul's message. The belief is that fundamentally most Americans support Dr. Paul's core message, and so the goal is to spread it to as many people as possible. People like you just want to use this forum to enhance their pet project, and have more interest in it than in some of the issues Dr. Paul focuses on.

The sad thing is you think people want to silence you, but the truth is they don't want you diluting Ron Paul's message, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, especially considering the short-sighted nature of some of these positions. Ron Paul is operating on another level, trying to change government at a fundamental level, and some people are just fixated on a single individual. And you say you want change??

Newsflash. Ron Paul is the champion of the Constitution. Where does the champion of the Constitution stand on the natural born citizen requirement for the office of President?

I have no respect for your position when people such as Terry Larkin take direct citizen action risking life, liberty, and property to defend the Constitution.

YouTube - A Few Good Man "You Can't Handle the Truth"

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would just rather you say thank you and went on your way.

 

[lynnf]

whose news and views?

Huh?

That's like saying Hitler gave Jews the benefit of the doubt.

For 2+ years, essentially every thread you have started has been harping about how Obama isn't eligible to be President or should be impeached.

About the only time you vary from the subject is when you get to harping about the "truth."

to my knowledge, Joseph Farah, the writer of the article, has not started any threads on this forum. pay attention next time!

lynn

 

[libertarian4321]

to my knowledge, Joseph Farah, the writer of the article, has not started any threads on this forum. pay attention next time!

lynn

You should have properly attributed the copied text to the article, which you failed to do. You should have learned that as a college freshman.

If you must be lazy, at the very least you should throw quotes around the text to indicate that the words are not your own.

 

[silus]

Welcome to the real world and thank you for pointing out the obvious.

Yes. Lack of response to evidence = Other party wins by default.

If the IRS sends you a bill then lack of response = They win by default
If Chase sends you a credit card bill then lack of response = They win by default
If John Doe sends you a bill for mowing your yard whether you wanted him to or not then lack of response = John Doe wins by default.

That is the way it works.



Newsflash. Ron Paul is the champion of the Constitution. Where does the champion of the Constitution stand on the natural born citizen requirement for the office of President?

I have no respect for your position when people such as Terry Larkin take direct citizen action risking life, liberty, and property to defend the Constitution.

YouTube - A Few Good Man "You Can't Handle the Truth"

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would just rather you say thank you and went on your way.

You're being overly dramatic, especially with someone you know nothing about. Secondly, please don't test peoples intelligence by pretending this is simply a constitutional issue. Why don't you first create a list of constitutional conflicts taking place in our government. When you finish your list next week, ask yourself if you can tackle all of them at once. No? So what causes you to focus on a small number of them? Have you asked yourself if there are a few core issues that if addressed could correct most or all of them. Now ask yourself if the natural born issue is one of them. Now ask yourself whats stopping you from developing this argument yourself vs. piggybacking onto a trans-formative figure that clearly doesn't waste his time on that or other short-sighted issues that change every 4 years.

And you ask where Ron Paul stands on the natural born requirement? Same place he stands on the other items in the endless list of constitutional issues. Yet unlike you he has figured out the issues that must be emphasized consistently and without fail in order to change the United States, and change the attitude and philosophy of its citizens.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Something like 36% of Americans think the govt. may have had a hand in the 9/11 attacks.....

Yet people on this forum will still have you believe that bringing up these issues is a bad idea. Go ahead, play into the media's hands, that is exactly what they want you to think.

You really think an open, outspoken 9/11 truther would/could win a statewide or national election for anything mildly important? Really?

Debra Medina completely flamed out when there was just a tiny little whiff of trutherism there after the Beck interview.

 

[libertarian4321]

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would just rather you say thank you and went on your way.

You do realize that the guy who said that was (in the movie) put away, right? And rightly so.

Military officers are NOT in the position to do as they damned well please- they follow orders- and ultimately they do the bidding of civilian authority.

That is what separates the USA from military dictatorships where military officers get to call the shots.

BTW, every cadet learns this long before pinning on his butter bars.