Drudge Report: They're coming for the internet!

[sailingaway]

http://www.drudgereport.com/

multiple articles, including this one:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576023452250748540.html

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Of course... and Americans are too busy watching Jersey Shore or the 2 dozen social engineering POLICE STATE/LAW television series.

Next we'll all have to communicate through ambiguous and nebulous WiFi... only for authorities to have countermeasures in place to halt specific patterned and originator Internet traffic.

Why doD you think they have the best mathematicians in the world working at all these ALPHA agencies? Heck, the NSA alone is going to over double their size in the next 5 years to create all those new algorithms to capture traffic. The FBI is building a database on all citizens in the US... they use the Internet for their main access in data-mining.

 

[YumYum]

"Who" and "what" are the FCC going to go after? What laws will they implement? How will they enforce them?

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://c-span.org/Events/This-Week-...ality-Census-Data-to-Be-Released/10737418346/

Tomorrow the Federal Communications Commission will vote on net neutrality. They will consider whether to adopt rules to preserve "net neutrality," following a federal court ruling citing that the agency lacked the authority to regulate the Internet.

Net neutrality is a principle that advocates no restrictions by Internet service providers and governments on content and sites.

That's tomm - no indication if it will be broadcast.

from Dec 4th:

FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski released a draft proposal on net neutrality that aims to address concerns about the way large Internet service providers manage their networks. The Communicators is joined by members of Congress, internet companies, broadband providers and consumer groups to hear their reaction on the plan.

What it's about is summed up in 3 points at the beginning.

Listen at about 13 min in for the open internet coalition's take - that would include NetFlix and Google.

Check out 27:30

http://c-span.org/Events/Reaction-to-the-FCCs-Draft-Proposal-on-Net-Neutrality/20217-1/

From Saturday: (Bad stuff!)

With the holiday season in full swing, The Communicators looks into efforts to develop a more unified way for Internet companies to collect sales tax.

Don't know if this has anything to do net neutrality or the FCC though. OK, it doesn't. It's a coalition of states trying to push sales tax on Internet and catalog sales from out of state companies. Supreme court has already ruled against this and it's getting very little support in Congress.

http://c-span.org/Events/The-Communicators-Discussion-on-Internet-Companies-Sales-Tax/10737418347-1/

I believe this is the draft regulations:
FCC-09-93A1 - FCC
hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-09-93A1.pdf

server seems to be down now.

So far what I am hearing in the opposition is a lot of fear mongering that obviously came from corporate lobbyists.

-t

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Post 4 has been updated.

-t

 

[hazek]

I believe we are within a couple of years before the part of V's speech in V for vendetta where he says "And where once you had the freedom to object, think, and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission." becomes reality.

 

[Agorism]

Copyright interests are pushing this stuff. Music, movie industry, big porn, whatever.

Intellectual property has no place on the internet.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Copyright interests are pushing this stuff. Music, movie industry, big porn, whatever.

Intellectual property has no place on the internet.

Then there must be something in there about trying to ban P2P. Do they seriously think they can ban it? It will just be routed around.

Have a source about them supporting it?

-t

 

[Stary Hickory]

Lets sum this up

Congress can't pass Net Neutrality because it can't get the votes.

The courts overrule the FCC trying to do it on it's on, when it tried to IGNORE the representative system

Now the FCC is ignoring the courts and trying to do this anyways?

At what point do we as people need to haul these criminals off to jail? The FCC is nothing short of a criminal organization. Words cannot express my level of anger and hatred towards the FCC and any agency that assumes powers it does not have.

 

[Immortal Technique]

just have every internet connection pay an extra 20 bucks a month and spread it around to Hollywood, music industry and such then kill copyright rules on the net
People will get the stuff no matter what kind of regulation you put on the net, there is a work around for everything.
So if the music industry or porn or hollywood was smart they would jump on something like that, at least they would be taking in revenue.

I still cant figure out why they still produce their products on a disk which can easily be put in any pc.
They need a new technology to deliver their product.Charging granny a million dollars for a few songs is tyrannical.

 

[YumYum]

"Usage Based Billing"

Gamers will have to pay a fortune to play on the internet. What will this mean for forums such as this forum? Will we have to pay more to spend time on the discussion boards? If so, will that reduce traffic on the boards, and only internet users with fat wallets will be able to post and be able to lurk on different forums?

The Federal Reserve System promised in 1913 that it would put an end to boom and bust cycles and would stabilize the economy. It all sounded good, but was nothing but lies. Look at the mess we are in with our national debt. The FCC is promising great things, but once they are in control, they will regulate free speech on the net. I don't trust them.

 

[sailingaway]

Usage based billing would sure discourage surfing to find out facts behind a news story.

I agree we need something like an ASCAP / BMI copyright solution so all who post stories on the internet get copyright payments from a blanket license with a fee tacked onto the standard internet fee at a flat rate -- license to be paid in accordance with use and longevity of use at a site.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Usage based billing would sure discourage surfing to find out facts behind a news story.

I agree we need something like an ASCAP / BMI copyright solution so all who post stories on the internet get copyright payments from a blanket license with a fee tacked onto the standard internet fee at a flat rate -- license to be paid in accordance with use and longevity of use at a site.

That would sure make the net less useful, as people would only put up new stuff and pull old stuff to avoid paying.

-t

 

[Liberty Rebellion]

What's wrong with usage based billing? Why should I pay to subsidize the bandwidth usage of others?

 

[sailingaway]

That would sure make the net less useful, as people would only put up new stuff and pull old stuff to avoid paying.

-t

I don't get what you mean. I mean part of your fee would be, say, a $3 'copyright' fee and for that you can see everything. Usage determines how much sites get out of the pot of everyone's use fees.

ASCAP/BMI is a license for event centers that doesn't try to find out what was played, just lets people collect fees for popularity of their songs generally. The event center pays a flat fee per year, and it covers performance usage.

The problem now is each paper wants a full subscription to see one story, and the way the web works, you may never want another story from that paper again -- it is topic driven, not publisher driven. There has to be a different way. Mine is just a suggestion I think would work, though. I'm open to others.

 

[emazur]

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I don't get what you mean. I mean part of your fee would be, say, a $3 'copyright' fee and for that you can see everything. Usage determines how much sites get out of the pot of everyone's use fees.

ASCAP/BMI is a license for event centers that doesn't try to find out what was played, just lets people collect fees for popularity of their songs generally. The event center pays a flat fee per year, and it covers performance usage.

The problem now is each paper wants a full subscription to see one story, and the way the web works, you may never want another story from that paper again -- it is topic driven, not publisher driven. There has to be a different way. Mine is just a suggestion I think would work, though. I'm open to others.

OK, I thought you meant the web site payed.

Per article billing doesn't work that well. Sites will charge you $20 - $30 for a single article, bit $70 - $120 for a subscription, for example.

-t

 

[sailingaway]

OK, I thought you meant the web site payed.

Per article billing doesn't work that well. Sites will charge you $20 - $30 for a single article, bit $70 - $120 for a subscription, for example.

-t

I know. That is why I was thinking of a monthly fee that is divided when collected from all according to a formula based on website popularity or whatever.

 

[DamianTV]

 

[sailingaway]

Regulatory capture. The market hasn't let them go to pricing by use, so they want to use regulatory bodies to 'force' it.