Donald Trump, Rand Paul feud reaches new level

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Grabs popcorn....

The rhetoric between Republican front-runner Donald Trump and Senator Rand Paul, R-Ky., is heating up on the campaign trail ahead of the next GOP debate.

At a Saturday rally in Boone, Iowa, Trump blasted Paul as being an “ineffective guy” and weak on immigration and national security issues. He claims Paul is attacking him because his polls numbers remain quite low and he needs media attention.

Trump currently stands at nearly 30 percent compared to Paul’s two percent, according to the latest Real Clear Politics average polling.

During his speech, Trump blasted critics who say he’s picking fights with his fellow Republicans and pointed to primary voters who prefer his “aggressive tone and tremendous energy."

The latest feud began Thursday when Paul, referring to Trump, said “I don’t really think there’s anything conservative about him and I think he’s selling us a bill of goods. And so I think we need to be very careful that we don’t succumb to celebrity and all of the sudden get a fake conservative that turns out to be a big government Republican.”

Later Saturday, Trump again blasted Paul on social media. “Lightweight Senator Rand Paul should focus on trying to get elected in Kentucky--- a great state which is embarrassed by him,” said the businessman in a tweet.

In another Twitter post, he took a personal dig at Paul, saying he doesn’t compare to his father, former congressman and 2008 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul. “I truly understood the appeal of Ron Paul, but his son, Rand Paul, didn't get the right gene,” he said.

Since Trump announced his White House run in June, both candidates have spared over policy and personality.

Earlier this month, Paul said Trump “is a disaster. I think he will hurt the country and will lose in a land slide.”

At a New Hampshire rally in August, Trump told supporters a story about him playing golf with Paul. “So I'm actually a good golfer. I killed him, OK? I killed him. If I didn't, I wouldn't say it, but I killed him.”

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[Sola_Fide]

“I truly understood the appeal of Ron Paul, but his son, Rand Paul, didn't get the right gene,”*he said.*

Trump is a libertarian.

 

[twomp]

“I truly understood the appeal of Ron Paul, but his son, Rand Paul, didn't get the right gene,”*he said.*

Trump is a libertarian.

Of course he is. Haven't you heard? He's really good at golf!

 

[CPUd]

 

[ican'tvote]

He wasn't so friendly to Ron a few years ago.. https://youtu.be/gnnmKb_foMs?t=44s

Trump is only nice to you once he no longer considers you a threat.

 

[twomp]

He wasn't so friendly to Ron a few years ago.. https://youtu.be/gnnmKb_foMs?t=44s

Trump is only nice to you once he no longer considers you a threat.

You call that being nice? He is using his dad to stick it to him.

 

[65fastback2+2]

He wasn't so friendly to Ron a few years ago.. https://youtu.be/gnnmKb_foMs?t=44s

Trump is only nice to you once he no longer considers you a threat.

bingo

 

[jkob]

Rand would of been better off feuding with Jeb or McConnell or something, Trump doesn't pull punches and I don't think anybody can say Rand has won this "feud" nor has it produced any gain in the polls. We need those non-mainstream anti-establishment voters that Trump is attracting but Trump is making Rand look like a big joke to them whereas the establishment hates Rand almost as much Trump. Trump could make reelection to senate in Kentucky difficult if he wants to go that route, McCain tanked in the polls here in Arizona after Trump stuff and now trails Kelli Ward by a decent margin in the primary so what happens if Trump takes the extra step and endorses somebody in the primary against Rand?

 

[RonPaulMall]

Rand would of been better off feuding with Jeb or McConnell or something, Trump doesn't pull punches and I don't think anybody can say Rand has won this "feud" nor has it produced any gain in the polls. We need those non-mainstream anti-establishment voters that Trump is attracting but Trump is making Rand look like a big joke to them whereas the establishment hates Rand almost as much Trump. Trump could make reelection to senate in Kentucky difficult if he wants to go that route, McCain tanked in the polls here in Arizona after Trump stuff and now trails Kelli Ward by a decent margin in the primary so what happens if Trump takes the extra step and endorses somebody in the primary against Rand?

Too late for anybody to mount a serious challenge to Rand in Kentucky at this point. Rand does need to spend the next six years repairing his image though or he will face a serious primary challenge six years from now. What saved Rand this time around is that the establishment was as surprised by how lousy his campaign was we were.

 

[liberty_nc]

To beat Trump, Rand must own Jeb in the debate

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Rand would of been better off feuding with Jeb or McConnell or something, Trump doesn't pull punches and I don't think anybody can say Rand has won this "feud" nor has it produced any gain in the polls. We need those non-mainstream anti-establishment voters that Trump is attracting but Trump is making Rand look like a big joke to them whereas the establishment hates Rand almost as much Trump. Trump could make reelection to senate in Kentucky difficult if he wants to go that route, McCain tanked in the polls here in Arizona after Trump stuff and now trails Kelli Ward by a decent margin in the primary so what happens if Trump takes the extra step and endorses somebody in the primary against Rand?

Though then people would make the claim that Paul shouldn't waste his time going after a self-imploding candidate like Bush and focus on the front-runner instead.

 

[acptulsa]

To beat Trump, Rand must own Jeb in the debate

Though then people would make the claim that Paul shouldn't waste his time going after a self-imploding candidate like Bush and focus on the front-runner instead.

Depends. We could spin that as Rand Paul being able to finish the job Trump started, but couldn't finish. And if we did, it would be a coup.

...how lousy his campaign was...

 

[rich34]

“I truly understood the appeal of Ron Paul, but his son, Rand Paul, didn't get the right gene,”*he said.*

Trump is a libertarian.

Hey this man is anything you want him to be. Even though he tries to play the card of not being a politician, in realty, he's probably the most sleazy politician I have ever seen. First "the Bible is the greatest book ever written" with his book just behind it of course. Talk about pandering to the religious right. Then the "I cherish woman.." crap. Yaw hear that lady's. And now this? Boy he's going to get a big surprise when Ron comes out swinging on his ass. Then he'll be attacking Ron as a loser. He might have just fallen into a trap lol.

 

[rich34]

Too late for anybody to mount a serious challenge to Rand in Kentucky at this point. Rand does need to spend the next six years repairing his image though or he will face a serious primary challenge six years from now. What saved Rand this time around is that the establishment was as surprised by how lousy his campaign was we were.

Defeatist attitude much? There's still plenty of time.

 

[jkob]

Attacking Jeb would be great, Jeb and his family represents the GOP establishment so it doesn't matter what he's polling at since it's great red meat plus that dodo head Jeb doesn't hit back nearly as hard. Jeb's faltering campaign and tepid support just means more people would agree with Rand is saying and there is still a large percentage of voters who think Jeb will be the eventually nominee so him polling so low combined with that belief to me looks like an opportunity to score points. I think Trump is proving that 'punching down' doesn't really hurt you and Jeb is above Rand anyways, Trump is making great gains embarrassing the other candidates, you can't underestimate how pissed off the American public is right now and how much even Republican base voters despise their own party. Carson and Cruz's strategy with Trump has obviously worked out better, Carson is the consensus #2 right now and Cruz is remaining relevant. They'll both be in good position if Trump does drop out eventually for whatever reason to pick up his voters whereas Rand will have been Trump's punching bag for months and months. Trump seems pretty simple, if you don't cross him then he won't cross you and if you offer him praise then he'll return it. Rand should of defended Trump's supporters and their concerns instead of just dismissing them and insulting the guy that has excited them so much, that will not endear him to that base of voters. Who knows, maybe he could of even influenced Trump policy positions since he is pretty fluid with them.

Too late now tho I guess...

 

[Origanalist]

I don't see attacking trump as bad strategy. Trump can't continue on a roll forever, sooner or later reality is going to seep in and Rand can say "see, that's what I've been talking about".

 

[Liberty74]

Let Trump continue to act like an ass or a school kid brat. Several coworkers are done with him after his latest comment about not voting for Carly because she's "ugly." This guy is a fake conservative celebrity with an empty suit. His 30% will start finding a new home soon. Give it a few more debates and watch the implosion slowly happen...

Trump will not be the nominee.

Rand weak on immigration and foreign policy? He's the only guy that wants to realistically secure the border and the only guy that doesn't support illegal wars and spreading us thin across the world which in return endangers America. Rand should tweet that "Trump endangers America with his failed neocon policies."

 

[SilentBull]

I hope Rand ignores Trump at the debate. Let the others attack him. Fiorina may be the best for that. Rand should say that line about going home if Republicans are gonna be about revenue neutral tax reform. This is his chance to sell himself as the true outsider and the only one serious about the debt. Before no one else wanted to attack Trump. Now it seems other "outsider" candidates will do that so Rand doesn't have to waste his time.

 

[acptulsa]

I hope Rand ignores Trump at the debate. Let the others attack him. Fiorina may be the best for that. Rand should say that line about going home if Republicans are gonna be about revenue neutral tax reform. This is his chance to sell himself as the true outsider and the only one serious about the debt. Before no one else wanted to attack Trump. Now it seems other "outsider" candidates will do that so Rand doesn't have to waste his time.

Agreed.

This is not a flip flop. I said before I hoped he would attack Trump in the previous debate, and that I was glad he did. I stand by all of that. But now it's just what the Establishment, a.k.a. our enemy, expects from him. That's certainly one reason not to do it. Another is, I think that's the direction his advantage would lie at this point. He needs to stay ahead of the crowd.

He'll be asked about Trump, of course. And when he is, I'd like to hear this:

I'm not talking about Trump today. I pointed out that Trump is an all rhetoric, no substance flip flopper before it was cool. I led the way and made it cool. But as Will Rogers said,

"You can't beat an administration by attacking it. You have to show some plan of improving on it."--Will Rogers 1924

So, if you moderators aren't going to ask me about issues of substance and importance to the country, I'm going to pick one to talk about and run with it. And what I want to talk about, and America wants to talk about, is the economy, which I will fix by removing the regulatory stumbling blocks from the path of small businesses. Any business in the country needs three lawyers and five accountants just to do business today, and that's an obvious advantage to the big corporations. Well, what's good for the big corporations is not necessarily what is good for America, and the way I'll fix the economy is to make you free to innovate and be entrepreneurial, and let you start small businesses and fix the economy yourselves. Which, I think you'll agree, is better than bribing Congress to give some huge corporation an unfair advantage.

It takes two to do the Establishment Tango--someone to give out bribes and someone to take them. I am neither. And that's what makes me just about the most unique person on this stage today.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Rand weak on immigration and foreign policy? He's the only guy that wants to realistically secure the border and the only guy that doesn't support illegal wars and spreading us thin across the world which in return endangers America. Rand should tweet that "Trump endangers America with his failed neocon policies."

Last thing Rand needs to do is tweet about Trump. You may thing Rand is great on immigration and foreign policy, but you are in a single digit minority in that view among Republican voters. Most voters think Rand is pro-Amnesty and they see his foreign policy as a jumbled mess. Rand needs to forget about Trump and focus everything on developing a strong, coherent message and repairing his own brand among Conservative voters. If Trump were to implode tomorrow, it wouldn't help Rand in the slightest. All Rand's problems are internal, not external. He needs to ignore the horse race and focus on himself.

He needs to use the debate to showcase the roll out of a brand new Rand.