Does Ron Paul support Reparations

[johnrocks]

Someone said he does and if this is the case then I will be VERY disappointed

 

[nexalacer]

If he follows Murray Rothbard's line of reasoning, then he would support it IF AND ONLY IF the money came directly from the families of the former slave holders.

But I have no idea if Dr. Paul actually does. I doubt it though, because he's not one to like taking from one group to give to another.

 

[dsentell]

I really don't think so. Would be a governmental re-distribution of wealth.

I hope this is not some misunderstanding of something I posted earlier today (either on this forum or on "ronpaulforum"). In that discussion, there was talk that Kucinich would be a good VP for Dr. Paul.

I stated my dislike for Kucinich because he (Kucinich) is in favor of reparations. He stated that position in the Democrat CNN/youtube debate.

I thought reparations would be a very un- Ron Paul position.

 

[Omnis]

I think reparations would go against the whole concept of freedom.

None of us are old enough to have experienced slavery, and nothing can make someone forfeit their property to those affected by the men of the past. That's like locking up a son because his estranged father killed someone.

Ron Paul supports charity, however.

edit: I'd never have Kucinich as a VP for Paul. He may be right with Foreign Policy, but he is a damn socialist.

 

[dsentell]

edit: I'd never have Kucinich as a VP for Paul. He may be right with Foreign Policy, but he is a damn socialist.

Ditto!

 

[Shellshock1918]

Yes thats fair, make millions of white folks pay huge sums of money for crimes they did not commit.

 

[noxagol]

Yes thats fair, make millions of white folks pay huge sums of money for crimes they did not commit.

That's liberals for ya!

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Reparations for what?

 

[noxagol]

Reparations for what?

Reparations for slaver. IE the government giving all black people a load of money just because their ancestors were slaves.

 

[0zzy]

Reparations for slaver. IE the government giving all black people a load of money just because their ancestors were slaves.

aka idiotic as shit.

Another question, why are they called African-Americans? Am I a European-American? Or maybe an Asian-American, my mom is first generation Thia. I'm more Asian-American then they are African-American, I have contact with my roots. But no, I'm 3/4 European decent and 1/4 Asian, I don't use any.

Yet, African-Americans use African-American community/this/that/whatever.

However, they are far from Africans. They are Americans. They never met their African ancestors, they never been to Africa. A person who came here from Kenya and became American is African-American, but most BET-crowd is not.

 

[EvilEngineer]

No matter what blood line you are, if you trace your family history far enough back, chances are you are the descendant of a slave or serf. OMFG I'm suing Italians for subjugating and enslaving my (insert any color here) ancestors!

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Reparations for slaver. IE the government giving all black people a load of money just because their ancestors were slaves.

Noxagol, I was being Facetious...I know what they want reparations for.
Why should we pay them for what some of our ancestors did to some their ancestors?
But haven't we already? This fine welfare state we live in, the 14th amendment, the running water and roofs over their heads, the schools, employment, that they all enjoy as American Citizens, etc etc.
But I suppose they could still be over there, living in a mud hut, starving to death, without the chance of ever rising to prosperity, as any hard working American could do.
As I said
Reparations for what?

 

[PennCustom4RP]

aka idiotic as shit.

Another question, why are they called African-Americans? Am I a European-American? Or maybe an Asian-American, my mom is first generation Thia. I'm more Asian-American then they are African-American, I have contact with my roots. But no, I'm 3/4 European decent and 1/4 Asian, I don't use any.

Yet, African-Americans use African-American community/this/that/whatever.

However, they are far from Africans. They are Americans. They never met their African ancestors, they never been to Africa. A person who came here from Kenya and became American is African-American, but most BET-crowd is not.

Ozzy, I wrote exactly on this topic some months ago in my myspace blog.
That entry:

The Terms of Race

I am a man of European descent, more specifically of Dutch and German descent, and yet more specifically a natural born citizen of the United States of America. My first ancestors came here from Friesland, in 1689, which is part of the modern day country called The Netherlands. Other ancestors came from the Black Forest region of northern Germany. My people have been in the US for 318 years. I do not refer to myself as a European American, nor do I generally refer to myself as a Dutchman or a German, aside from when other white people are asking of what extraction I am, like other German, Irish, Polish, Italian, etc. etc. Americans do.
I am simply a White man, an American, and have no problem with that.

This brings me to the point of this exercise.

Why do those of the Black race, here in the United States, constantly refer to themselves as ‘African-Americans’? They used to be simply called Black-Americans, but now they are African-Americans.
Doesn’t one have to emigrate from some country to some other country to get the hyphenated nomenclature? The Black population in this country are almost entirely native born.
To use these examples, we don’t call the Black inhabitants from Haiti, African-Haitians, or those Black inhabitants from the Dominican Republic, African-Dominican Republicans do we? No they are Haitians and Dominicans, even though these peoples ancestors were from Africa. If they become American citizens we call them, or they refer to themselves as Haitian-Americans, or Dominican-Americans, but usually, eventually, just as Americans.
When considering the Hispanic/Latino population here in the US, we don’t refer to them as European-Native Americans, which is in essence what they are ethnically speaking, descendents from the mixing of the white Spaniards from Europe and the native indigenous populace, as the terms Hispanic or Latino are language based associations, not racial ones. We call these people Mexicans, Cubans, Guatemalans, etc. etc., while they are just ‘visiting’ and when they become citizens, they are hyphenated as to origin, because they EMIGRATED! As are all peoples who come to this country, ‘Country of Origin-American’. Then eventually are just American.
Does this label of African-American apply to all those whose ancestors came from the African Continent? What about those in Northern Africa? These people are largely of Arabic descent.
This term certainly doesn’t apply to any of those descended from Colonials on the African Continent, case in point;
A friend from college, a South African Boer, an Afrikaaner, had applied for financial aide, and when he filled out the paper work stating he was African-American, he was Denied!, and had to alter his application to reflect that he was a White person of European Descent.
This man was BORN in AFRICA, had never been to EUROPE, and EMIGRATED to the US.
If he does not qualify as an African-American, how can any of the Native born Black people here in the US do so?

To take another perspective on this topic of hyphenated racial nomenclature, consider those who were previously referred to as American Indians, now known as Native-Americans. While I can agree that the term American Indian is inappropriate, as these people are not from India, I am not so sure that they themselves prefer being called Native-Americans, as America is named for an Italian mapmaker, Amerigo Vespucci . Almost certainly they would prefer being referred to by their proper Tribal group names.
This begs to ask the question again.
If calling someone native born to the US, of the race once referred to as an American Indian, was inappropriate, and now are referred to as Native-American, how can someone native born in the US, of the Black race, now be called an African-American?
This poses another question, what do you call a Black (African-American) who emigrates to Africa? Is this person now an American-African, or African-African? Who knows? Probably just call them Black.

And I am still just simply…an un hyphenated White man, an American…and have no problems being called that.

 

[SeanEdwards]

No, reparations make total sense. A bunch of people who never owned slaves, paying money to people who never were slaves. What could be more logical? This issue should be a democrat party plank.

I did hear one proposal for reparations that I actually agree with. The suggestion was that reparations would be offered to anyone who wanted them, on the following condition: the reparation check would be handed over at the end of a one-way flight to Africa, and in exchange for the recipient's U.S. citizenship.

 

[Tn...Andy]

Does Ron Paul support Reparations


ahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......you REALLY don't know Ron Paul, do you ?

 

[loupeznik]

We have Reparations... It's called "Welfare".

 

[Omnis]

Ozzy, I wrote exactly on this topic some months ago in my myspace blog.
That entry:

The Terms of Race

I am a man of European descent, more specifically of Dutch and German descent, and yet more specifically a natural born citizen of the United States of America. My first ancestors came here from Friesland, in 1689, which is part of the modern day country called The Netherlands. Other ancestors came from the Black Forest region of northern Germany. My people have been in the US for 318 years. I do not refer to myself as a European American, nor do I generally refer to myself as a Dutchman or a German, aside from when other white people are asking of what extraction I am, like other German, Irish, Polish, Italian, etc. etc. Americans do.
I am simply a White man, an American, and have no problem with that.

This brings me to the point of this exercise.

Why do those of the Black race, here in the United States, constantly refer to themselves as ‘African-Americans’? They used to be simply called Black-Americans, but now they are African-Americans.
Doesn’t one have to emigrate from some country to some other country to get the hyphenated nomenclature? The Black population in this country are almost entirely native born.
To use these examples, we don’t call the Black inhabitants from Haiti, African-Haitians, or those Black inhabitants from the Dominican Republic, African-Dominican Republicans do we? No they are Haitians and Dominicans, even though these peoples ancestors were from Africa. If they become American citizens we call them, or they refer to themselves as Haitian-Americans, or Dominican-Americans, but usually, eventually, just as Americans.
When considering the Hispanic/Latino population here in the US, we don’t refer to them as European-Native Americans, which is in essence what they are ethnically speaking, descendents from the mixing of the white Spaniards from Europe and the native indigenous populace, as the terms Hispanic or Latino are language based associations, not racial ones. We call these people Mexicans, Cubans, Guatemalans, etc. etc., while they are just ‘visiting’ and when they become citizens, they are hyphenated as to origin, because they EMIGRATED! As are all peoples who come to this country, ‘Country of Origin-American’. Then eventually are just American.
Does this label of African-American apply to all those whose ancestors came from the African Continent? What about those in Northern Africa? These people are largely of Arabic descent.
This term certainly doesn’t apply to any of those descended from Colonials on the African Continent, case in point;
A friend from college, a South African Boer, an Afrikaaner, had applied for financial aide, and when he filled out the paper work stating he was African-American, he was Denied!, and had to alter his application to reflect that he was a White person of European Descent.
This man was BORN in AFRICA, had never been to EUROPE, and EMIGRATED to the US.
If he does not qualify as an African-American, how can any of the Native born Black people here in the US do so?

To take another perspective on this topic of hyphenated racial nomenclature, consider those who were previously referred to as American Indians, now known as Native-Americans. While I can agree that the term American Indian is inappropriate, as these people are not from India, I am not so sure that they themselves prefer being called Native-Americans, as America is named for an Italian mapmaker, Amerigo Vespucci . Almost certainly they would prefer being referred to by their proper Tribal group names.
This begs to ask the question again.
If calling someone native born to the US, of the race once referred to as an American Indian, was inappropriate, and now are referred to as Native-American, how can someone native born in the US, of the Black race, now be called an African-American?
This poses another question, what do you call a Black (African-American) who emigrates to Africa? Is this person now an American-African, or African-African? Who knows? Probably just call them Black.

And I am still just simply…an un hyphenated White man, an American…and have no problems being called that.

I've been saying that for years. As such, Barack Obama being the first black president is about as significant as John Adams being the first president to don black hair.

 

[Johnnybags]

Ssssssssssssssshhh!!!

That's the Obama killer question!!

 

[cjhowe]

Ozzy, I wrote exactly on this topic some months ago in my myspace blog.
That entry:

The Terms of Race
...<snip>

Why call someone by the color of their skin/ origin etc...why not simply call them by their name? Just because others do so does not make it a good example for you to follow.

 

[ShaneC]

They are Americans. They never met their African ancestors, they never been to Africa. A person who came here from Kenya and became American is African-American, but most BET-crowd is not.

bwahahahaa......

This makes me miss my friend Steve. He was black, and he'd get pissed off if anyone called him "African-American". His father came here from Haiti. Not Africa. He was NOT African-American by any definition of his choosing.