GopBlackList
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what do you think? abscond from the Republican party and get into the Democratic party?
Do You Think Libertarians Are More Welcomed In Democratic Party?
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The core of the Democratic party is all about Welfare, and taxation. The only issue that the current entrenched GOP leaders have against the Libertarians is the whole foreign intervention issue. It's only been since the rise of the Neo-Cons that the foreign intervention issue has been there. The Neo-Cons want to run around the world bombing everyone. Get past that, and there's no reason why the GOP wouldn't go full Libertarian.
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No political party will ever "welcome" a philosophy whose very core tenet is that they should all be put out of business.
That's not to say we can't have a great deal of success using the political process...but it does mean that we're probably not going to find a "ready-made" liberty-friendly party to roll out the red carpet for us. We're going to have to infiltrate one or even both major parties, and do a whole lot of tactical paradigm shifting and regime changing.
That's not to say we can't have a great deal of success using the political process...but it does mean that we're probably not going to find a "ready-made" liberty-friendly party to roll out the red carpet for us. We're going to have to infiltrate one or even both major parties, and do a whole lot of tactical paradigm shifting and regime changing.
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nope.
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As far as New Hampshire goes, libertarians are extremely welcomed in the Republican Party. 90 of the New Hampshire State Reps are libertarians. In some of the State Rep special elections, the only Republican that runs is a libertarian. That happened twice last year and is the case in the special election that happens this month in Manchester.
The most powerful group in the New Hampshire Republican Party when it comes to State House issues is the House Republican Alliance. The organization is made up of conservative and libertarian State Reps that are Republican. 1 of the 2 co-chairs is a libertarian. The other really powerful group in the New Hampshire House is the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. As far as I know, all of the leadership is either Republican, Libertarian or Undeclared. The NHLA is a 100% volunteer organization that rates bills, rates legislators, advocates for legislation and donates money to pro-liberty organizations.
The New Hampshire Democrat Party let 1 libertarian get elected a couple times as a State Rep in Manchester but since then libertarians have only been able to win local positions running as Democrats in New Hampshire. Whenever they run for State Rep, lots of Democrats (sometimes even the state party) work to make sure they lose the primaries.
Do you live somewhere where the GOP doesn't 100% welcome libertarians?
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The democratic party isn't very welcoming to libertarians these days. The Republican party at least pretends to stand for limited government. You aren't really going to get many cheer from the democrats these days for wanting to abolish the IRS, believe in the free market, or etc... The majority of democrats that are anti-war don't really oppose war on the same grounds we do. They aren't really opposed to the spending as much as they are just anti-war. They wold't mind the same level of spending, but rather than war increase foreign aid massively around the world.
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Democrat = Republican, they are same, only different talking points! Haven't you been paying attention?!?!?!?
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Ron Paul says we should be in the GOP. Deal with it.
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Well it doesn't come as a surprise since NH is the Live Free Die Free state. I am sure other places where the Republican party is entrenched in the bible belt it might be difficult for libertarians to be accepted. You also have to consider that some not all Republicans consider their party an all Caucasian club and may look down upon anyone who is outside of their circle. For example, Hispanics or Muslims might have a better chance joining the Democratic party than the Republican party.
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Ron Paul is not a partisan politician.
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Ron Paul did get 2nd in both the New Hampshire Republican Primary and the New Hampshire Democratic Primary but the percentages were way different. Ron Paul received 23% of the GOP Primary and won around 1/4 of the towns. He only received 4% of the Democratic Primary (it had to be write-in) so I wouldn't say they are the same. At least not everywhere. Perhaps they are the same where you live.
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It easy for us to say that but some of us have friends who are "minorities" and may have a difficult time joining the Republican party. Let's not forget that Libertarians share the same point of view when it comes to social issues with Democrats.
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Maybe in some places. People tend to be caucasian in NH. John E. Sununu ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Sununu ) was a US Rep and US Senator from NH and his family has strong Palestinian ancestry with some members coming from Lebanon. Though, John H. Sununu, his father was born in Cuba. John H. Sununu was a governor of NH and was recently the head of the state party, even though his mother was born in El Salvador. National origin seems to make no difference when it comes to being welcomed by a political party in NH.
If you like Republican ideals of smaller government, lower taxes and more responsibility but are not welcomed into your local GOP, I recommend trying to change it, moving, or not working directly with a political party as superior alternatives to becoming a Democratic Party player. When I lived in TN, where the GOP is much less freedom oriented than the NH GOP, the GOP was still much more inclined towards liberty than the Democratic Party.
However, you certainly know more about your personal situation than I do. If you really think it's the best thing to do, go for it
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Not exactly. Today's liberals are just like the conservatives except on the opposite end of the issue. Regardless of personal views we don't want to use the force of the state to try and push our views on society. We just want the state out of these social issues in general, but you can still be personally socially conservative or personally socially liberal. It's really just more about the role of the state.
This is why I don't like the fiscally conservative/socially liberal view of libertarianism. It's more of a rejection of the initiation of violence/force and then applying that principle consistently. I'm neither socially liberal/socially conservative personally. I'm more, "do as you please and leave me alone".
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Not a freaking chance. The Democrat's solutions to our problems and their agenda is contrary to our movement of freedom, liberty, and limited government. They are all about CONTROL period. Control the people! Control the market! Control businesses! Control the schools! Control the food! Piss on the Constitution!
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