Did Rand Just Toss The White Vote Down the Drain?

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RonPaul4Prez2012

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I think so, I see nothing but disgust all over FB and other sites about his decision to support the removal of the Confederate flag.

It's all downhill from here. We are doomed. Dark days indeed. Another win for the liberals who want to destroy this country.
 
Since every other political candidate went P.C. I don't see it as a problem. Meh.
 
I thought not Rand, but the entire Republican Party lost the 2016 election a few days ago, by showing their voters that they're so easily bullied and pushed around.
 
RonPaul4Prez2012 said:
I think so, I see nothing but disgust all over FB and other sites about his decision to support the removal of the Confederate flag.

It's all downhill from here. We are doomed. Dark days indeed. Another win for the liberals who want to destroy this country.
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Where would those white votes go to exactly? Stay home and let Hillary in?

Then again, enough of them will just continue to vote for the Santorums, Bushes, Huckabees and Trumps of this world to make a difference.

The team is down by 5 runs with 2 outs at the bottom of the 9th. You gonna need a homerun and then some to just get even and I doubt the American voter can deliver even that.
 
He tossed a lot more of it than he can afford to lose.

He said way too much.
 
Rand made a mistake with his full-throated condemnation of the flag. I understand that he can't come out in support of it, but he should've tried to play the middle ground here. He should have talked about how he understands the animosity blacks have toward the symbol, but that it doesn't mean that it's an inherently racist symbol and that the decision to take it down should be left to the state legislatures, not a bunch of loudmouths in New York and California. Rand needs to cultivate support from white Southerners; the idea that he'll get the black vote is an absurd pipe dream that even he doesn't genuinely believe.
 
ThePaleoLibertarian said:
Rand made a mistake with his full-throated condemnation of the flag. I understand that he can't come out in support of it, but he should've tried to play the middle ground here. He should have talked about how he understands the animosity blacks have toward the symbol, but that it doesn't mean that it's an inherently racist symbol and that the decision to take it down should be left to the state legislatures, not a bunch of loudmouths in New York and California. Rand needs to cultivate support from white Southerners; the idea that he'll get the black vote is an absurd pipe dream that even he doesn't genuinely believe.
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Politicians need to be be leaders. They need to help lead to the right conclusion. Pandering to the Southern vote is not leadership. Of course, pandering in any direction is not leadership. Nevertheless, a good argument can be made for why the flag should be removed: it is offensive. A good argument is harder to make for why it should stay on state property.

Also, the whole argument about leaving it to the state does not make sense. Rand is leaving it to the state. He's just advising them on what to do. Just because only the state legislature can act does not mean anyone outside the legislature is not entitled to an opinion or to try to influence the representatives' opinions.
 
givemeliberty2010 said:
I also see no reason to think that most white Southern Republicans and independents care as strongly about keeping the flag as black people feel offended by it.
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^^this

Rand is playing the long game. Surrender a few battles to win the war.

I got no problem with Rand going PC on this 'distracting' issue.
 
givemeliberty2010 said:
Politicians need to be be leaders. They need to help lead to the right conclusion. Pandering to the Southern vote is not leadership. Of course, pandering in any direction is not leadership. Nevertheless, a good argument can be made for why the flag should be removed: it is offensive. A good argument is harder to make for why it should stay on state property.

Also, the whole argument about leaving it to the state does not make sense. Rand is leaving it to the state. He's just advising them on what to do. Just because only the state legislature can act does not mean anyone outside the legislature is not entitled to an opinion or to try to influence the representatives' opinions.
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"It is offensive" is NOT a good argument. Democracy incentivizes pandering, indeed it necessitates it. The problem is that Rand is pandering to the blacks, and the PC whites neither of whom will vote for him. If he's going to pander, might as well be toward a demographic that might actually vote for him and get him elected.
 
Jamesiv1 said:
^^this

Rand is playing the long game. Surrender a few battles to win the war.

I got no problem with Rand going PC on this 'distracting' issue.
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Going PC has always never worked out for us, and it's one of the main reasons that the right wing has been dead in the water since the post-World War II period. The left plays the tune, the right dances to it as best it can, and renders itself effectively useless. I understand that Rand has to pick his battles, but some of his choices are suspect.
 
Rand needs to learn to keep his mouth shut !! Why does he feel compelled to speak out on every issue, every time. He needs to focus on his prize platform issues, and keep his nose out of everything else. Had to edit to say, I'm curious what Ron's answer to the Confederate Flag issue might be. If I remember correctly, Ron was for freedom of speech, freedom of expression, etc. I wonder right now, how the White House is ablaze with rainbow colors to support the Supreme's decision on same sex marriage. Many take offense to that.. After all, there are millions of tax payers who don't support the Supreme's decision, yet their tax dollars went to lighting up the White House as a Rainbow? Should we remove the White House?
 
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Dianne said:
Rand needs to learn to keep his mouth shut !! Why does he feel compelled to speak out on every issue, every time. He needs to focus on his prize platform issues, and keep his nose out of everything else.
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Because he's running for President, and as such, he's under a much larger scope of examination versus had he just remained a Senator and his words had no giant impact on the election race. But because he is, he's a Southerner, a Republican, a White male, he's already seen by those things alone as someone who wouldn't have an issue about the flag. And maybe he didn't. But saying such or even saying nothing, in the eyes of the public and possibly the media, would say he's fine with it. And with it being such a growing issue- I'm sorry, but you can't say you've no issue with the flag and not expect any sort of backlash. It's not always about pride when it comes to issues put front and center in the public eye. He may not even feel compelled to speak, but hell, the candidates will want to weigh in. Had they said something like 'There's more important things to talk about,' that might be valid, but this issue in South Carolina is what's being discussed right now.
 
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